NRL wants two conference comp

[Pippen94]

It wont be outside of Auckland, it will be Auckland2 if it ever happened.

It'll be Christchurch in new 35k stadium & represent south island with population of 1 million

 

[Perth Red]

You keep repeating same sh... But ignoring the extra kiwi content & derby.

I'll now repeat myself; nrl's actions tell you which expansion they view as more lucrative

and for the last 8 years they’ve been saying perth is more lucrative, just because Abdo spouted a throw away line about a possibly 18th nz team in some long and distant future I wouldnt hold much belief that the nrl has any idea what it will do in 5 years time.

 

[Perth Red]

It'll be Christchurch in new 35k stadium & represent south island with population of 1 million

Christchurch based club won’t represent the whole South Island anymore than calling the warriors nz has created a feeling that they represent the whole country. Their memberships and audiences would be through the roof If that was the case. Christchurch is too small and without the corporate support to fund a viable nrl club, unless there is some billionaire we don’t know about from there just sat on the sideline waiting to invest in an nrl club.

 

[Pippen94]

Christchurch based club won’t represent the whole South Island anymore than calling the warriors nz has created a feeling that they represent the whole country. Their memberships and audiences would be through the roof If that was the case. Christchurch is too small and without the corporate support to fund a viable nrl club, unless there is some billionaire we don’t know about from there just sat on the sideline waiting to invest in an nrl club.

City sustains a super rugby team for 25 years & now has coming online 35k stadium which could do with extra tenant.
Western Reds played out of Perth but represented Western Australia - what's the difference?!

 

[Pippen94]

and for the last 8 years they’ve been saying perth is more lucrative, just because Abdo spouted a throw away line about a possibly 18th nz team in some long and distant future I wouldnt hold much belief that the nrl has any idea what it will do in 5 years time.

Sure mate, NRL haven't done their sums & will miss gold mine in the west. Case for nz2 is stronger else you'd hear Perth talk.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes nz’s most successful union team, how much room does that leave for an nrl club in a city of less than 400k people in terms of supporters and sponsors? Be like putting an nrl team in Gosford if there was already a hugely successful sports club there.
WA only has one city so you can call the reds whatever you w at but in reality it was playing in a city where 90% of the population live. Nice that it’s inclusive in theory but in terms of support base it will come largely from the city not the entire island. Anyway it’s probably not going to happen for perth or Christchurch for a very very long time so not much point playing hypotheticals.
ps stadium will be 25k capacity,

 

[Perth Red]

Sure mate, NRL haven't done their sums & will miss gold mine in the west. Case for nz2 is stronger else you'd hear Perth talk.

I am pretty sure they havent lol for example they havent talked to sage who just this week has gone public that he has a consortium willing to put $30mill into a perth club. So yeh they haven’t done the sums at all, they haven’t even got the sums back on brisbane2 yet lol
just a throw away Line from the puppet Abdo.

 

[flippikat]

It'll be Christchurch in new 35k stadium & represent south island with population of 1 million

That would be branding-dependent.

If they wanna wear the red & black - traditional Canterbury (the NZ province) colours, then they'd need to do some work convincing other regions that they're representing them too.

With a neutral set of colours & mascot, they stand their best chance of being a South Island team, or "everywhere outside of Auckland" team, or whatever the desired geographical market is.

The Warriors have been fortunate that a) they've been our sole team and b) their colours have green & red added to the traditional Auckland blue & white (for whatever reason and motivation).

A second NZ team will need to strongly consider how it brands itself to make a point of difference to the Warriors.

 

[Pippen94]

I am pretty sure they havent lol for example they havent talked to sage who just this week has gone public that he has a consortium willing to put $30mill into a perth club. So yeh they haven’t done the sums at all, they haven’t even got the sums back on brisbane2 yet lol
just a throw away Line from the puppet Abdo.

TV money is guaranteed. Lots of investors want in, some go bust quick

 

[Pippen94]

Yes nz’s most successful union team, how much room does that leave for an nrl club in a city of less than 400k people in terms of supporters and sponsors? Be like putting an nrl team in Gosford if there was already a hugely successful sports club there.
WA only has one city so you can call the reds whatever you w at but in reality it was playing in a city where 90% of the population live. Nice that it’s inclusive in theory but in terms of support base it will come largely from the city not the entire island. Anyway it’s probably not going to happen for perth or Christchurch for a very very long time so not much point playing hypotheticals.
ps stadium will be 25k capacity,

Townsville has about half the population unless you want to count cairns which will prove my point

 

[Pippen94]

That would be branding-dependent.

If they wanna wear the red & black - traditional Canterbury (the NZ province) colours, then they'd need to do some work convincing other regions that they're representing them too.

With a neutral set of colours & mascot, they stand their best chance of being a South Island team, or "everywhere outside of Auckland" team, or whatever the desired geographical market is.

The Warriors have been fortunate that a) they've been our sole team and b) their colours have green & red added to the traditional Auckland blue & white (for whatever reason and motivation).

A second NZ team will need to strongly consider how it brands itself to make a point of difference to the Warriors.

White with black V.
South Island Scorpions. Most games in Christchurch some in Dunedin

 

[Pippen94]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ld-love-ability-for-new-stadium-to-seat-35000

 

[Perth Red]

Townsville has about half the population unless you want to count cairns which will prove my point

and isn’t playing second fiddle to a more popualr code and is reliant on pokies to be sustainable.

TV money is guaranteed.

lol Only for the 3-5 year life of the contract, the more knowledgeable have been saying for some time that big tv contracts are on borrowed time. Not to mention the real value is in the extra content not in the location when it comes to perth or adelaide or Christchurch or Auckland2

 

[Perth Red]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ld-love-ability-for-new-stadium-to-seat-35000

Like I said, it is being designed and funded for 25,000 capacity!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not if sky pay more for new team in nz than fox & nine(?) for team in Perth.

Aren't Sky on record saying they won't pay extra for a 2nd team?

You keep repeating same sh... But ignoring the extra kiwi content & derby.

I'll now repeat myself; nrl's actions tell you which expansion they view as more lucrative

NRL want NZ 2 as their 18th team.

 

[Pippen94]

and isn’t playing second fiddle to a more popualr code and is reliant on pokies to be sustainable.

lol Only for the 3-5 year life of the contract, the more knowledgeable have been saying for some time that big tv contracts are on borrowed time. Not to mention the real value is in the extra content not in the location when it comes to perth or adelaide or Christchurch or Auckland2

To sky location is all important. Anz netball competition was split into conferences because they wanted more kiwi games!!

To nine Perth isn't important because they don't care about location. Shows value of that place.

Nobody knows how things will play out with streaming & pay TV. What we know is as long as pay TV exist it'll be paying top dollar for live content

 

[Pippen94]

Like I said, it is being designed and funded for 25,000 capacity!

But asking for increase...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

To sky location is all important. Anz netball competition was split into conferences because they wanted more kiwi games!!

To nine Perth isn't important because they don't care about location. Shows value of that place.

Nobody knows how things will play out with streaming & pay TV. What we know is as long as pay TV exist it'll be paying top dollar for live content

I cannot see American streaming services putting in a massive bid for Australian sports. If the price is right they will take them, but they're not dependent on them like Foxtel. Who knows what will happen to Foxtel when Rupert Murdoch dies. His son Lachlan could throw a ton of money at RL due to his love for the Broncos, or the company might go bust.

Ch9 want a 2nd Brisbane team. I don't know Foxtel's position on Brisbane 2. Media analyst Colin Smith says Brisbane 3 should be brought in after NZ 2, which seems to be the direction the ARLC is taking. He also said to forget about Adelaide and Perth. His plans for the 20th team are Melbourne 2 or PNG. This is why I talk about relocation. Smith is against relocation, but I think it needs to be looked at if we don't want our game to shrink. Plenty of New South Welshmen and Queenslanders are forced to relocate to Adelaide and Perth for one reason or another. If they're only option is AwFuL then they may very well lose their interest in RL. They might stay loyal, but if they start a family over there then their kids will probably grow up kicking a Sherrin and following an AwFuL club. We cannot afford to lose these people when AwFuL is convincing kids in Brisbane and Sydney to kick a Sherrin around a paddock.

It's really selfish of people in Sydney to want their city to retain its 9 clubs when RL fans in Adelaide and Perth don't have one. Getting two struggling clubs that are living hand to mouth and are reliant on broadcast revenue for survival to relocate to Adelaide and Perth will allow their remaining fans to watch them on TV and attend their games when they play away in Sydney. If that's not good enough for them, then stiff shit and bad on them for not doing more to keep their clubs viable in Sydney.

 

[The Great Dane]

Sure mate, NRL haven't done their sums & will miss gold mine in the west. Case for nz2 is stronger else you'd hear Perth talk.

The NRL (and RL in general) has an extensive record of making terrible business decisions because of infighting and internal politics.

So yeah, they’d absolutely miss a gold mine if given half a chance, and any cursory glance at the numbers suggests that that is exactly what would happen if they skip Perth for an NZ team.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yes nz’s most successful union team, how much room does that leave for an nrl club in a city of less than 400k people in terms of supporters and sponsors?

If you set the club up well they could be competitive.

Despite their current struggles, that are more because RU is struggling in general than anything else, the Brumbies effectively did exactly what you are suggesting would be impossible.

They came into a small market, sub-400k and utterly dominated by a competitor at the time, armed only with a good business plan, a team of underrated underdogs, and an excellent marketing strategy and image, and preceded to kick the shit out of the Raiders for a decade and a bit.

So if (and I admit it’s a big if) the club was well run, and reasonably successful, they could at least be competitive, if not dominant the market, pretty quickly, and considering the NRL’s resources they could make it happen if they really wanted to.

The trick would be to be a premiership contender from day one, have marketing and branding on point, and to hit the local RU where it hurts, in the juniors and grassroots.