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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

Perth Red

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pretty clear why nz2 is way ahead of any other potential team for spot 18

this is momentous. Another state vs another country

we can’t play internationals against Perth
haha a journos opinion piece from 6 months ago, yep sounds a done deal.
I'll refer you once again to the last time we heard from our illustrious leaders on this:

Abdo: “Beyond that, the commission is open to looking at 18 teams down the track and open-minded about the location of potential new markets.”

Vlandys: 'you need to continue the popularity of the game, and if we can make the game national we’ll do so.
“There’s a possibility of Perth or even New Zealand, there’s a lot of possibilities.
 

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Wtf you on about now? I’m talking about LC funding going to nrl clubs instead of grassroots rl.
You will find LC revenues goes to both NRL clubs AND juniors

But you have other LCs or even RSL clubs etc not affiliated with a NRL club who also pay for juniors in their area
 

The Great Dane

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🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

like i said last time while you were patting your tears with tissues then D head
I didn't need to read the entire book
I'd read enough right there ... If he got that as horribly wrong as he did.. ya know .. the data

how much more data did he get wrong .. I'll bet plenty
We don't know if that's the case because you've never sourced the quote properly...

To be honest, I can't even remember exactly what your contention was. What I do remember is that we have no way of exploring it because you never sourced it properly. You can't because you don't own the book, and I'm not effectively rereading it to find it.

For all we know, you, or rather the person you got it from, could be totally misrepresenting the claim, it could be a typo or simple mistake that needs correcting, or it could be a contentious piece information as even Dr Fujak will freely admit that data on the ACT is quite shaky as it's an area of the field that lacks study.
hahaha
yea we have , all you've proven is you're an elitist wanker who thinks he knows everything about everything but in fact has NFI about pretty much everything & lives in his own personal bubble of superiority. The sort of person people studiously avoid because you'll bore them to tears with your FIG jam attitude.

but sure, keep telling us you're the only person who knows anything on these pages 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only person profiling anybody, claiming higher knowledge that they can't support at all, and acting superior is you.
jesus I didn't think it was possible for so much crap to be piled into one post
If it's such crap then it should be easy to prove it wrong...
 

The Great Dane

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There are 541 non-professional clubs in NSW:

185 clubs are based in various NRL affiliated districts of Sydney - The Penrith District has the most with 28, while the Roosters only have 3 district clubs.

356 clubs are located throughout regional/country NSW:

• ⁠North Coast/Northern Rivers - 60 clubs
• ⁠Newcastle/Hunter - 64 clubs
• ⁠Illawarra/South Coast - 44 clubs
• ⁠Central Coast - 22 clubs
• ⁠New England/North West - 30 clubs
• ⁠ACT & Surrounds - 32 clubs
• ⁠Riverina/Murray - 36 clubs
• ⁠Western NSW - 68 clubs

That’s actual clubs bro not auskicks blow hard bs numbers
Everything here is completely irrelevant to my point. It's got no bearing on the growth in numbers of AFL players from the ACT in the last 10 years, or how the AFL has achieved that growth.

BTW, there're only roughly 25 clubs in the CRRL depending on exactly what you're measuring. So how are you defining 'ACT & Surrounds' to come up with 32?
 

Perth Red

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You will find LC revenues goes to both NRL clubs AND juniors

But you have other LCs or even RSL clubs etc not affiliated with a NRL club who also pay for juniors in their area
yes I know, like in the example I gave. My point was if NRL clubs were better run then the LC's wouldnt need to be funding them and ALL the money could go to grassroots RL. Take the example I gave from last year. NRL Bulldogs $3.6mill grant, local grassroots $600k!
 

Iamback

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I often hear people say grassroots is neglected and needs more, but more what? I know in wa we only have two nrl funded development officers for the whole state which is ridiculous but I’m imagining in rl states there’d be a lot more funding? Nswrl get funded $20mill a year by nrl, where’s that going? So when we say nrl needs to do more what exactly do people mean?

one area I can think of is where there isnt a LC to subsidise club fees maybe the nrl could help out that region with funding kits, insurance, club field hire costs etc? If we could bring kids registration fees down from $300 to $50 or so that might help get more kids playing?

I think there’s only about 1000 amateur rl clubs in the country. If nrl gave every one of them a grant for $10k a year would that help? Would cost nrl $10mill a year but that’s relatively small fry on $500mill revenue.

People leave the country for various reasons as such lose sporting teams. Some idiots blame the sport without having any idea.
 

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And on another note if nrl clubs became more sustainable we would be able to spend much more LC funds on grassroots. For example last year bulldogs LC gave the nrl club $3.6mill to pay the bills and only $600k to grassroots rl. If bulldogs got their financial sht together then grassroots rl in the region could get much greater funding,

Depends on how well the district is doing financially.

Penrith District for example. Make a profit so the LC only provides services, like a hall instead of $
 

The Great Dane

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Why do you keep blaming the nrl? I thought raiders had a massive league club empire making squillions of $’s? If that’s true why arent they properly funding grassroots rl in the region? Why arent the raiders investing locally? What would you want the rl to be doing that they arent now? They’re funding an nrl club in canberra which is more than the afl does at the moment.
How long have you got lol.

Put simply almost every decision that the NRL, it's predecessors, and affiliates (NSWRL, CRL, etc) have made for the last 30ish years has undermined grassroots RL in the bush, ACT, and other regions. Whether it be the structure of the salary cap and what recruitment practices it incentivises, the way lower tier and grassroots competitions are structured, funded and supported. How much money is invested into the grassroots and juniors, where that money is spent, and what that money is spent on, etc, all of it, and more, is a shit show and clubs are becoming shells or outright dying because of the impact.

It more or less needs to be completely overhauled at this point because grassroots RL is being out outgunned and outcompeted pretty much everywhere in Southern NSW and the ACT. Things aren't much better anywhere else in country NSW either (with some notable exceptions) and similar patterns are developing in Qld as well (particularly in SEQ).

Now you may think "who cares if a bunch of clubs across the bush go broke", but you should care because those regions in NSW and Qld are massively overrepresented in the NRL's talent pool, and if that source of talent is cut off, or even just seriously effected, without another viable local source to fill the niche, then it'll have massive implications for the sport in the future.
If you want examples of that then just look into the impact the decline of RU participation numbers in the private school system has had on RU, the urbanisation of the population in America has had on Baseball, the growth of American competitors has had on Canadian football in Canada, etc, etc, the examples are plentiful.

If you're one of those people whom thinks "we can just make up the difference by recruiting from the PIs and/or other regions", then I'll say that the ARLC and NRL exist to maintain and grow the sport in Australia and abandoning that would be a dereliction of that duty.
Furthermore look at how that's worked out for RU, or increased recruitment from Central America and Asia has worked out for MLB, recruiting failed American Football players has worked out for the CFL, etc, etc. Sure they have a source of talent so they don't completely collapse overnight, but it doesn't stop the decline. It's a symbiotic relationship; a professional competition needs a healthy grassroots to thrive and vice versa.

Before you say "what about the EPL and [insert other relevant example/s here]. They recruit heavily form other nations and it's not hurting them"; sure, but it's a luxury not a necessity, and the difference is profound.

On the Raiders specifically-

They are but one club, and with or without their business empire they don't have the means or power to bankroll and operate all junior and grassroots RL across such a large region, nor should it be their job. They're also an insufferably nepotistic organisation that couldn't be trusted with such responsibility, but I digress.
 

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How long have you got lol.

Put simply almost every decision that the NRL, it's predecessors, and affiliates (NSWRL, CRL, etc) have made for the last 30ish years has undermined grassroots RL in the bush, ACT, and other regions. Whether it be the structure of the salary cap and what recruitment practices it incentivises, the way lower tier and grassroots competitions are structured, funded and supported. How much money is invested into the grassroots and juniors, where that money is spent, and what that money is spent on, etc, all of it, and more, is a shit show and clubs are becoming shells or outright dying because of the impact.

It more or less needs to be completely overhauled at this point because grassroots RL is being out outgunned and outcompeted pretty much everywhere in Southern NSW and the ACT. Things aren't much better anywhere else in country NSW either (with some notable exceptions) and similar patterns are developing in Qld as well (particularly in SEQ).

Now you may think "who cares if a bunch of clubs across the bush go broke", but you should care because those regions in NSW and Qld are massively overrepresented in the NRL's talent pool, and if that source of talent is cut off, or even just seriously effected, without another viable local source to fill the niche, then it'll have massive implications for the sport in the future.
If you want examples of that then just look into the impact the decline of RU participation numbers in the private school system has had on RU, the urbanisation of the population in America has had on Baseball, the growth of American competitors has had on Canadian football in Canada, etc, etc, the examples are plentiful.

If you're one of those people whom thinks "we can just make up the difference by recruiting from the PIs and/or other regions", then I'll say that the ARLC and NRL exist to maintain and grow the sport in Australia and abandoning that would be a dereliction of that duty.
Furthermore look at how that's worked out for RU, or increased recruitment from Central America and Asia has worked out for MLB, recruiting failed American Football players has worked out for the CFL, etc, etc. Sure they have a source of talent so they don't completely collapse overnight, but it doesn't stop the decline. It's a symbiotic relationship; a professional competition needs a healthy grassroots to thrive and vice versa.

Before you say "what about the EPL and [insert other relevant example/s here]. They recruit heavily form other nations and it's not hurting them"; sure, but it's a luxury not a necessity, and the difference is profound.

On the Raiders specifically-

They are but one club, and with or without their business empire they don't have the means or power to bankroll and operate all junior and grassroots RL across such a large region, nor should it be their job. They're also an insufferably nepotistic organisation that couldn't be trusted with such responsibility, but I digress.
Thats an awful lot of non specifics!
What EXACTLY could the ARLC and the Raiders LC empire be doing differently in the region? I'm not talking about NRL talent production, that is taken care of mostly with the funded elite pathways once the 15 year old talented kid has been scouted, but the participation issue and why grassroots clubs are struggling or closing down? What needs to happen to help these clubs flourish? What are the problems they are facing and why are kids not taking up in same numbers as before? These are the questions no one seems to be able to answer!

ARLC actually funds grassroots significantly more than the AFL does, partly as it seems the RL state bodies dont make the same revenue as AFL state bodies for some reason. Is it a question of cash or strategy?
 
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We don't know if that's the case because you've never sourced the quote properly...

To be honest, I can't even remember exactly what your contention was. What I do remember is that we have no way of exploring it because you never sourced it properly. You can't because you don't own the book, and I'm not effectively rereading it to find it.

For all we know, you, or rather the person you got it from, could be totally misrepresenting the claim, it could be a typo or simple mistake that needs correcting, or it could be a contentious piece information as even Dr Fujak will freely admit that data on the ACT is quite shaky as it's an area of the field that lacks study.

The only person profiling anybody, claiming higher knowledge that they can't support at all, and acting superior is you.

If it's such crap then it should be easy to prove it wrong...
sourced it fine wanker
anyone who believes the ACT has only 1000 players is either an imbecile or an academic with an agenda ...😎
tell me , which one is Dr Fu^kstick Einstein ?

If ol Dr Fu^kstick knew the data in the ACT was shaky then maybe he shouldn't have put up anything , but no he chose to put up his findings ... his data & its been proven to not be .. shaky.. but so wildly inaccurate its laughable

a typo ?
😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.. OMFG

nah
hes a clown & his book is garbage
your continued defending of him is also highly suspicious ....


vicky kicky cheerleader anyone ?
 
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How long have you got lol.

Put simply almost every decision that the NRL, it's predecessors, and affiliates (NSWRL, CRL, etc) have made for the last 30ish years has undermined grassroots RL in the bush, ACT, and other regions. Whether it be the structure of the salary cap and what recruitment practices it incentivises, the way lower tier and grassroots competitions are structured, funded and supported. How much money is invested into the grassroots and juniors, where that money is spent, and what that money is spent on, etc, all of it, and more, is a shit show and clubs are becoming shells or outright dying because of the impact.

It more or less needs to be completely overhauled at this point because grassroots RL is being out outgunned and outcompeted pretty much everywhere in Southern NSW and the ACT. Things aren't much better anywhere else in country NSW either (with some notable exceptions) and similar patterns are developing in Qld as well (particularly in SEQ).

Now you may think "who cares if a bunch of clubs across the bush go broke", but you should care because those regions in NSW and Qld are massively overrepresented in the NRL's talent pool, and if that source of talent is cut off, or even just seriously effected, without another viable local source to fill the niche, then it'll have massive implications for the sport in the future.
If you want examples of that then just look into the impact the decline of RU participation numbers in the private school system has had on RU, the urbanisation of the population in America has had on Baseball, the growth of American competitors has had on Canadian football in Canada, etc, etc, the examples are plentiful.

If you're one of those people whom thinks "we can just make up the difference by recruiting from the PIs and/or other regions", then I'll say that the ARLC and NRL exist to maintain and grow the sport in Australia and abandoning that would be a dereliction of that duty.
Furthermore look at how that's worked out for RU, or increased recruitment from Central America and Asia has worked out for MLB, recruiting failed American Football players has worked out for the CFL, etc, etc. Sure they have a source of talent so they don't completely collapse overnight, but it doesn't stop the decline. It's a symbiotic relationship; a professional competition needs a healthy grassroots to thrive and vice versa.

Before you say "what about the EPL and [insert other relevant example/s here]. They recruit heavily form other nations and it's not hurting them"; sure, but it's a luxury not a necessity, and the difference is profound.

On the Raiders specifically-

They are but one club, and with or without their business empire they don't have the means or power to bankroll and operate all junior and grassroots RL across such a large region, nor should it be their job. They're also an insufferably nepotistic organisation that couldn't be trusted with such responsibility, but I digress.
horse shit
from word one
to word four thousand

me thinks a bit less reading books written by Dr Fu^kstick is in order 😎
 

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Virtually impossible these days to know how many RL players are registered to play in a comp as they all just report participation rates to look better. That can be anything from a 1hr session in the school yard with a DO to being registered and playing every weekend. This report has 5,800 "participators' in ACT in '21.

 
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Virtually impossible these days to know how many RL players are registered to play in a comp as they all just report participation rates to look better. That can be anything from a 1hr session in the school yard with a DO to being registered and playing every weekend. This report has 5,800 "participators' in ACT in '21.

ah no

the CRRL doesn't run ARL programs in Canberra & the region
the ARL does

the CRRL runs , administers & reports on its clubs & their registered players in the region.
That figure is registered players male/female
U6's to 1st grade
but includes clubs from NSW in its comps aswell
its about 5000 from ACT clubs & 1000 from NSW clubs in the region
 

Perth Red

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ah no

the CRRL doesn't run ARL programs in Canberra & the region
the ARL does

the CRRL runs , administers & reports on its clubs & their registered players in the region.
That figure is registered players male/female
U6's to 1st grade
but includes clubs from NSW in its comps aswell
its about 5000 from ACT clubs & 1000 from NSW clubs in the region
cheers for clarifying, well that's pretty decent if it is fully registered players.
 

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