NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Perth Red]

Correct. Hence why these comparisons are dumb

Clubs like Sharks spend millions a year on junior development

Some Perth company has no interest in the u12's locally but a local plumber is a different story

Again as the NRL model is clubs developing talent. SA has 2700 juniors as a whole

Sharks have 4700, Then of course there is Port Macquarie partnership they are building.

hahah that makes it even worse! That means they need to earn even more money, not half of what the Lions earn! but you are off on another of your tangents....
The sharks funding jnrs has zero to do with the discussion which is population reach and the impact on sustainability for a sport club. The bigger the reach generally the bigger the revenue at both club and code level. TV rights $402 v 643, naming rights $21+mill v $12mill and so it goes on.
Hence why NRL needs to stop pssing about with small populations and concentrate now on getting the big cities into the comp.

ps Cash Convertors pay for most Jnr RL in Perth, not the NRL, so even your perth company U12 comment is incorrect!

 

[Colk]

Correct. Hence why these comparisons are dumb

Clubs like Sharks spend millions a year on junior development

Some Perth company has no interest in the u12's locally but a local plumber is a different story

Again as the NRL model is clubs developing talent. SA has 2700 juniors as a whole

Sharks have 4700, Then of course there is Port Macquarie partnership they are building.

Why is it ok for the Sharks and the Roosters to have a feeder club relationship with teams in QLD or Port Macquarie but it is not ok for a prospective club from Adelaide or Perth to do the same?

Again with regards to SA or WA juniors, what do you expect. They have to move interstate for any opportunity and there isn’t like there is massive funding coming from the ARLC to these areas. It makes no sense to complain something not working or being low if there is no investment in it.

 

[MugaB]

Have we learnt nothing? TV isn't interested in yet another Sydney club or a regional NSW side! Capital cities are where it is at. Perth next, then Adelaide, then either NZ2 or Brisbane3. That needs to be the plan or we will continue to be left in the dust by our rivals.

Hahahaha is that what tv has been interested in.... is that why we have souths, gold coast and redcliffe as the last expansions... please you might be right about perth, but it'll be the bears... as perth are not set up as a club to compete with the current 17 nrl clubs, and the bears are, all they gotta do is fly over and play home games... and continue running the club, until they port themselves fulltime across the country

 

[Colk]

Hahahaha is that what tv has been interested in.... is that why we have souths, gold coast and redcliffe as the last expansions... please you might be right about perth, but it'll be the bears... as perth are not set up as a club to compete with the current 17 nrl clubs, and the bears are, all they gotta do is fly over and play home games... and continue running the club, until the port themselves fulltime across the country

Maybe we are doing it the wrong way MugaB. Our TV deals probably indicate we are.

 

[MugaB]

All but 2 have some sort of 2nd tier side atleast

Ipswich signed on with Roosters for a pathway deal too, which will help the area long term

Walker bros lol

 

[Perth Red]

Hahahaha is that what tv has been interested in.... is that why we have souths, gold coast and redcliffe as the last expansions... please you might be right about perth, but it'll be the bears... as perth are not set up as a club to compete with the current 17 nrl clubs, and the bears are, all they gotta do is fly over and play home games... and continue running the club, until they port themselves fulltime across the country

Proof of the pudding, what’s the tv deals again?

no ones supporting the ns bears paying in perth, if you want a club to fail in WA, sure parachute them in.

 

[MugaB]

Maybe we are doing it the wrong way MugaB. Our TV deals probably indicate we are.

You're mixing politics again... give up on the PVL witch hunt... just coz Alf sneeze, doesn't mean we need to cough...
Nrl has room to grow, afl doesnt, they need more 1st grade players than we do.. they have double the amount of them (774) in their season comparing to leagues (374), they have way more content 9 mens games per week and 9 womens too (albeit on for 10 rounds)
Stop comparing apples and oranges... they are different sports and have different costs associated with it... its not all about the geography

 

[Colk]

You're mixing politics again... give up on the PVL witch hunt... just coz Alf sneeze, doesn't mean we need to cough...
Nrl has room to grow, afl doesnt, they need more 1st grade players than we do.. they have double the amount of them (774) in their season comparing to leagues (374), they have way more content 9 mens games per week and 9 womens too (albeit on for 10 rounds)
Stop comparing apples and oranges... they are different sports and have different costs associated with it... its not all about the geography

Mate our numbers on Pay TV are precisely the same (actually ours are ahead) yet our deal is nearly half theirs. Sometimes people deserve the criticism.

Also, a national competition would generate more revenue for the game. That’s inarguable.

 

[MugaB]

Proof of the pudding, what’s the tv deals again?

no ones supporting the ns bears paying in perth, if you want a club to fail in WA, sure parachute them in.

You were a few months ago... giddy as a school girl at the prosect... mate keep beating the drums on deaf ears, but this circle jerk of frustration will end up giving you health problems... both these issues will be swept under the rug this time next year

 

[MugaB]

Mate our numbers on Pay TV are precisely the same (actually ours are ahead) yet our deal is nearly half theirs. Sometimes people deserve the criticism.

Also, a national competition would generate more revenue for the game. That’s inarguable.

Thats coz we have a better product, still doesnt mean we produce the same amount of content... thats what they are paying for...
Dont matter if its gws v suns, or nrlw knights v titans, adverts are adverts. We care coz we are invested in the sport, broadcasters want timeslots filled, the nrl needs to get to 20 teams selling 10 games. And also step up the womens to match the AFL, to get that much content, then you can all whinge about the deals amount and ill accept that, but we aren't selling enough eyes for broadcadters to pay..
Even if we have Perth, Wellington and Adelaide, and are national and oceanic as can be, we need to make sure those 3 areas can produce competitive content, or no one watches... then why would they pay? For no eye balls

 

[Colk]

Thats coz we have a better product, still doesnt mean we produce the same amount of content... thats what they are paying for...
Dont matter if its gws v suns, or nrlw knights v titans, adverts are adverts. We care coz we are invested in the sport, broadcasters want timeslots filled, the nrl needs to get to 20 teams selling 10 games. And also step up the womens to match the AFL, to get that much content, then you can all whinge about the deals amount and ill accept that, but we aren't selling enough eyes for broadcadters to pay..
Even if we have Perth, Wellington and Adelaide, and are national and oceanic as can be, we need to make sure those 3 areas can produce competitive content, or no one watches... then why would they pay? For no eye balls

This argument about advertisements (which has only really been proffered after fumbleball struck their deal) doesn’t explain the difference in the amount given by Pay TV which is completely subscription based. It also doesn’t make much sense even if you were to argue about advertisements on Pay TV because they also don’t have ads in play for any of their sports.

The argument definitely holds water for FTA and I would expect that they would be paid a fair deal more because they have a national reach (most importantly) and they have much more ad spaces.

To me it’s inarguable that you wouldn’t get more money for a national competition but that also the difference between the Pay TV components isn’t because of game length or whatever (which has changed since both codes did their last deals) but more to do with V’Landys f****** up the negotiations (NSW government as well remember) and fumbleball doing a great job with theirs.

 

[MugaB]

This argument about advertisements (which has only really been proffered after fumbleball struck their deal) doesn’t explain the difference in the amount given by Pay TV which is completely subscription based. It also doesn’t make much sense even if you were to argue about advertisements on Pay TV because they also don’t have ads in play for any of their sports.

The argument definitely holds water for FTA and I would expect that they would be paid a fair deal more because they have a national reach (most importantly) and they have much more ad spaces.

To me it’s inarguable that you wouldn’t get more money for a national competition but that also the difference between the Pay TV components isn’t because of game length or whatever (which has changed since both codes did their last deals) but more to do with V’Landys f****** up the negotiations (NSW government as well remember) and fumbleball doing a great job with theirs.

Pay tv still wants more eye balls..more content. im not sure why you think coz there isnt an advert on during play that they are still advertising everywhere else on their pre game shows, and coverage regardless.... you're being reactive as the flatlining roosters last sunday.. chill step back think about the maths... NRL is a better product, but it takes time to foster that product into quality... the AFLW is a joke they threw every team a womens side, they are deplorable to watch... not to say they aren't great athletes, they are, the sport itself barely has enough skill for the mens game to be any good...
The fact that the NRLW has become a better product or as evenly competetive as the mens is great, hopefully thats trend and standard set.

 

[MugaB]

This argument about advertisements (which has only really been proffered after fumbleball struck their deal) doesn’t explain the difference in the amount given by Pay TV which is completely subscription based. It also doesn’t make much sense even if you were to argue about advertisements on Pay TV because they also don’t have ads in play for any of their sports.

The argument definitely holds water for FTA and I would expect that they would be paid a fair deal more because they have a national reach (most importantly) and they have much more ad spaces.

To me it’s inarguable that you wouldn’t get more money for a national competition but that also the difference between the Pay TV components isn’t because of game length or whatever (which has changed since both codes did their last deals) but more to do with V’Landys f****** up the negotiations (NSW government as well remember) and fumbleball doing a great job with theirs.

Pay tv still wants more eye balls... im not sure why you think coz there isnt an advert on during play that they are still advertising everywhere else on their pre game shows, and coverage regardless....

you're being reactive as the flatlining roosters last sunday.. chill step back think about the maths... NRL is a better product, but it takes time to foster that product into quality...

the AFLW is a joke they threw every team a womens side, they are deplorable to watch... not to say they aren't great athletes, they are, the sport itself barely has enough skill for the mens game to be any good...
The fact that the NRLW has become a better product or as evenly competetive as the mens is great, hopefully thats the trend and standard set..
Nrl will topple alf one day, but it wont happen till we are evenly selling the same amount of content

 

[Iamback]

Walker bros lol

Found Robbos succession plan

 

[Iamback]

Why is it ok for the Sharks and the Roosters to have a feeder club relationship with teams in QLD or Port Macquarie but it is not ok for a prospective club from Adelaide or Perth to do the same?

Again with regards to SA or WA juniors, what do you expect. They have to move interstate for any opportunity and there isn’t like there is massive funding coming from the ARLC to these areas. It makes no sense to complain something not working or being low if there is no investment in it.

Because they are on top of their junior league,

Melbourne have no juniors, Yet can still have pathway programs

 

[MugaB]

Found Robbos succession plan

Nah pretty much favors for favors, the roosters way of junior striping.... and sam walker

 

[Colk]

Pay tv still wants more eye balls... im not sure why you think coz there isnt an advert on during play that they are still advertising everywhere else on their pre game shows, and coverage regardless....

you're being reactive as the flatlining roosters last sunday.. chill step back think about the maths... NRL is a better product, but it takes time to foster that product into quality...

the AFLW is a joke they threw every team a womens side, they are deplorable to watch... not to say they aren't great athletes, they are, the sport itself barely has enough skill for the mens game to be any good...
The fact that the NRLW has become a better product or as evenly competetive as the mens is great, hopefully thats the trend and standard set..
Nrl will topple alf one day, but it wont happen till we are evenly selling the same amount of content

Again none of the conditions prevalent have changed. Fumbleball haven’t put more sides in the competition and their games haven’t suddenly become longer in the space of five years. So again how do you explain how their deal has gone up by 27% and our deal has gone up what 5% (if I’m being generous). Furthermore, unlike fumbleball, we have actually added new sides and removed digital rights at the behest of the broadcasters

Sometimes you actually have to critically analyse things and just not accept it. We’ve been screwed.

 

[siv]

Best way forward would be something like

Easts to Adelaide - they already have a proven track record, state colours and the skills to develop RL in this location

Wests or Sharks to Perth

Add CC Bears as 18th team

 

[Iamback]

Nah pretty much favors for favors, the roosters way of junior striping.... and sam walker

Whatever gets more juniors in the game, Better than the other codes getting them

 

[Iamback]

Thats coz we have a better product, still doesnt mean we produce the same amount of content... thats what they are paying for...
Dont matter if its gws v suns, or nrlw knights v titans, adverts are adverts. We care coz we are invested in the sport, broadcasters want timeslots filled, the nrl needs to get to 20 teams selling 10 games. And also step up the womens to match the AFL, to get that much content, then you can all whinge about the deals amount and ill accept that, but we aren't selling enough eyes for broadcadters to pay..
Even if we have Perth, Wellington and Adelaide, and are national and oceanic as can be, we need to make sure those 3 areas can produce competitive content, or no one watches... then why would they pay? For no eye balls

Nailed it.

you have 120 mins to 80 mins

Pre game
Half time
Post game

To
Pre game
Qtr time
Half time
Qtr time
Post game

Plenty of more time for ads