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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

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Reflector said:
This is why the CC Bears, playing the majority of their home games in Gosford and (say) 2 or 3 per season at North Sydney Oval covers both bases:

CC has the grassroots, juniors AND a growing population to capitalise on in terms of creating new NRL talent.

The North Shore is one of the wealthiest areas in Australia, with North Sydney the heart of the region's business district. Through the Bears' historic ties with this area (and the leagues club smack back in the middle of it) this takes care of much of the ongoing corporate support. NRL representation and more funding towards junior league in this area also eats into Rugby's presence in the area long-term.
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The Bears’ pitch that they’d get corporate backing from the North Shore was always about themselves- it was always their leagues club and associated businesses. Big global conglomerates like Microsoft, who have offices in North Sydney, aren’t withholding support of the NRL until we bring back the Bears.

You’re right that the North Shore is very important, and needs effective attention from the NRL, but it doesn’t need the Bears there to do that.
 
MugaB

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Perth Red said:
Nope, now you’re just being disingenuous. I said I’d back a WA Bears owned by WA. There’s a very big difference.
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Who cares who owns it, as long as it is there to stay indefinitely as the perth team, and as the license beholden to be that WA represented team... shouldn't matter who owns what
 
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MugaB said:
Who cares who owns it, as long as it is there to stay indefinitely as the perth team, and as the license beholden to be that WA represented team... shouldn't matter who owns what
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At one stage Bears had a feeder arrangement with Storm
Souths
Now Roosters

Yet at no stage did any of those sides get taken over
 
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Iamback said:
At one stage Bears had a feeder arrangement with Storm
Souths
Now Roosters

Yet at no stage did any of those sides get taken over
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Yeah they knew they were there for pathway purposes, as do ipswich, easts and sunny coast.. if bears get a 1st grade license, im fairly sure theyll never ever let it go, and follow every rule and stipulation written to keep it, no way they'd risk losing it for another 30 + years
 
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MugaB said:
Who cares who owns it, as long as it is there to stay indefinitely as the perth team, and as the license beholden to be that WA represented team... shouldn't matter who owns what
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That’s the big thing though: is it going to stay as a WA team. The ARLC would have to show the cojones to block the possibility of the Bears trying to go back to North Sydney.

4 games at NSO is way too much. If they are away games then fine but if they are any home games at NSO (perhaps one tops) then it should be knocked on the head
 
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MugaB said:
Yeah they knew they were there for pathway purposes, as do ipswich, easts and sunny coast.. if bears get a 1st grade license, im fairly sure theyll never ever let it go, and follow every rule and stipulation written to keep it, no way they'd risk losing it for another 30 + years
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That is it. Perth Bears in the red and black the odd game in Sydney

Has the Perth Pathways sorted and you could sign NSW based Juniors, Have them finish school and play Flegg for NS on the weekends before moving over to Perth. This should be the model for expansion area clubs
 
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I know it's complicated and intricate, the financials and juniors and time zone problems therein.

Still, the NRL and AFL are only akin to fast-food chains or whatever. The AFL may have a leg up in Vic, WA, SA, NT, Tas in regards to junior participation and infrastructure, but if McDonalds opens a store in a suburban Westfields, KFC ought to.

An NRL team in Adelaide is merely a sporting event that would attract a certain crowd and a TV timeslot/ads/etc. That's all the whole thing has to be looked at. Establishing a team in each capital city. They can affiliate with state cup clubs to provide player resources as a means to a very long-term end.

Look at the Storm now. Early on Vics were not into RL and kinda refused to attend/support the club because AFL is their thing. But now, 20 years later, the Storm is part of the sporting fabric like the Victory etc. That's all it is. Giving 1m+ population centers and capital cities representation is actually essential business regardless of the obstacles.
 
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xe_kilroy said:
I know it's complicated and intricate, the financials and juniors and time zone problems therein.

Still, the NRL and AFL are only akin to fast-food chains or whatever. The AFL may have a leg up in Vic, WA, SA, NT, Tas in regards to junior participation and infrastructure, but if McDonalds opens a store in a suburban Westfields, KFC ought to.

An NRL team in Adelaide is merely a sporting event that would attract a certain crowd and a TV timeslot/ads/etc. That's all the whole thing has to be looked at. Establishing a team in each capital city. They can affiliate with state cup clubs to provide player resources as a means to a very long-term end.

Look at the Storm now. Early on Vics were not into RL and kinda refused to attend/support the club because AFL is their thing. But now, 20 years later, the Storm is part of the sporting fabric like the Victory etc. That's all it is. Giving 1m+ population centers and capital cities representation is actually essential business regardless of the obstacles.
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Exactly.

Rugby League is a product - that is all it is. I know that we on this forum view a little in reverential terms and that is great but don’t let that viewpoint cloud what Rugby League is and how it should perceive itself in order to prosper.

In any case, if we are going to view it as such then logic dictates that within reason we try to sell that product to as many people as possible.
 
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The Penguin #6. said:
Only one proviso I would add to that though is IIRC, the Bears when they were in the NRL, due to their lower North Shore connections often seemed to attract a shirt front sponsor not dissimilar to what the waratahs did in their heyday like Citibank, Avco Finance.
It would certainly be great if the NRL could once again have a club that attracted those front of shirt high-end finance company types and the fans associated with that.
I`m not totally against the Bears returning to the NRL if they are predominantly based out of the CC but do agree there would certainly seem a lot more value long term if we got into the other capital cities first.
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Good points

with the bears coming back as team 18 and getting four home games in Sydney I expect there will be a big flow on in getting corporate support for both the bears and the game in general

the richest part of Sydney (or on par with the east) will now be of benefit to rugby league again
 
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Iamback said:
No I have said all along the only doubt I have is NRL undersold? Until we see the actual figures then you can say either way.

Again for the slow one

More capital cities
More womens teams
More games a week
Longer games
More breaks

Should equal more money

Why does Fox League have ads then? If money was 100% from Subs
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Except fox & nine had no interest in perth
 
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Perth Red said:
hahah that makes it even worse! That means they need to earn even more money, not half of what the Lions earn! but you are off on another of your tangents....
The sharks funding jnrs has zero to do with the discussion which is population reach and the impact on sustainability for a sport club. The bigger the reach generally the bigger the revenue at both club and code level. TV rights $402 v 643, naming rights $21+mill v $12mill and so it goes on.
Hence why NRL needs to stop pssing about with small populations and concentrate now on getting the big cities into the comp.

ps Cash Convertors pay for most Jnr RL in Perth, not the NRL, so even your perth company U12 comment is incorrect!
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Haha. Nine & fox didn't want Perth.
 
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MugaB said:
Who cares who owns it, as long as it is there to stay indefinitely as the perth team, and as the license beholden to be that WA represented team... shouldn't matter who owns what
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I do because I can see the possible ramifications. perth RL fans dont want a sydney club playing games in perth until it suits them not to. NRL has the weakest leadership and I would have no faith they could control what the Bears decided to do down the track.
 
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