NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[MugaB]

Again none of the conditions prevalent have changed. Fumbleball haven’t put more sides in the competition and their games haven’t suddenly become longer in the space of five years. So again how do you explain how their deal has gone up by 27% and our deal has gone up what 5% (if I’m being generous). Furthermore, unlike fumbleball, we have actually added new sides and removed digital rights at the behest of the broadcasters

Sometimes you actually have to critically analyse things and just not accept it. We’ve been screwed.

Not sure if you noticed, but aflw has 18 teams
Hence why i keep saying they have way more content plus way more 1st grade players, they went from 8 teams on 2017 to 14 in 2019 to 18 now.... thats a big jump... so yes theyve increased their content.. yes its not something that we would care about, being a rusted on male supporter of league, but it has grown more eye balls more support and more interest for participation and veiwership within their sport... something the NRL are doing also

 

[Colk]

Because they are on top of their junior league,

Melbourne have no juniors, Yet can still have pathway programs

That doesn’t make any sense

Again why is it ok to excuse a Sydney club for having a relationship with another area but it is frowned upon if a prospective WA or SA team did the same thing?

If you want to just say I don’t want a team from WA or SA then say that rather than creating these different rules

 

[Colk]

Nailed it.

you have 120 mins to 80 mins

Pre game
Half time
Post game

To
Pre game
Qtr time
Half time
Qtr time
Post game

Plenty of more time for ads

You weren’t making this argument a week or so ago. You are only making this argument now because V’Landys f***** up.

Also again advertisements don’t matter for Pay TV. Subscriptions matter. There is no excuse for one deal to be $150-$200m more when you have less viewers, however you want to spin it.

 

[MugaB]

That doesn’t make any sense

Again why is it ok to excuse a Sydney club for having a relationship with another area but it is frowned upon if a prospective WA or SA team did the same thing?

If you want to just say I don’t want a team from WA or SA then say that rather than creating these different rules

Youre confusing the 2 now,
Youre saying why cant Perth pirates have a relationship with easts tigers for example? Verses sydney roosters having a relationship with Ipswich jets?
I suppose it depends who has the 1st grade license, and what the terms of the deal is

 

[Iamback]

That doesn’t make any sense

Again why is it ok to excuse a Sydney club for having a relationship with another area but it is frowned upon if a prospective WA or SA team did the same thing?

If you want to just say I don’t want a team from WA or SA then say that rather than creating these different rules

f**k you need to actually read responses

Melbourne in an expansion area, hence have no juniors as a result have linked up with areas that do. Adelaide and Perth could do similar

The issue with that is unlike Storm they can't fly guys up after school/work on the Friday so it makes it slightly harder

 

[MugaB]

You weren’t making this argument a week or so ago. You are only making this argument now because V’Landys f***** up.

Also again advertisements don’t matter for Pay TV. Subscriptions matter. There is no excuse for one deal to be $150-$200m more when you have less viewers, however you want to spin it.

I did say broadcasters btw, you're the one here suggesting the differences about each broadcaster, either way regardless of adverts, they want content, and veiwers eye balls to watch their content.. spin it however you please to suit the narritive you need to vent out on PVL or the Arlc for fking it all up...

Btw you only blew up since this alf deal got done, not many gave two shits otherwise beforehand

 

[Colk]

Youre confusing the 2 now,
Youre saying why cant Perth pirates have a relationship with easts tigers for example? Verses sydney roosters having a relationship with Ipswich jets?
I suppose it depends who has the 1st grade license, and what the terms of the deal is

No I’m not. Iamback’s argument was that you can’t put sides in Perth and Adelaide because you don’t have a second grade structure or that they don’t produce players

Now, notwithstanding, the logical fallacy of that argument, I stated that those clubs would logically align themselves with a QLD Cup or other area upon entry to the competition, like a lot of teams currently do.

Apparently he suggested that wouldn’t work then congratulated the Roosters and Sharks for setting up junior arrangements as is the want of many clubs.

This is exactly the same thing, yet for some reason it is fine for certain clubs but not for clubs outside of traditional league areas to do that

 

[Colk]

f**k you need to actually read responses

Melbourne in an expansion area, hence have no juniors as a result have linked up with areas that do. Adelaide and Perth could do similar

The issue with that is unlike Storm they can't fly guys up after school/work on the Friday so it makes it slightly harder

Why wouldn’t they be able to in the event they have NRL sides? Do Perth and Adelaide not have airports now?

 

[Iamback]

You weren’t making this argument a week or so ago. You are only making this argument now because V’Landys f***** up.

Also again advertisements don’t matter for Pay TV. Subscriptions matter. There is no excuse for one deal to be $150-$200m more when you have less viewers, however you want to spin it.

No I have said all along the only doubt I have is NRL undersold? Until we see the actual figures then you can say either way.

Again for the slow one

More capital cities
More womens teams
More games a week
Longer games
More breaks

Should equal more money

Why does Fox League have ads then? If money was 100% from Subs

 

[MugaB]

No I’m not. Iamback’s argument was that you can’t put sides in Perth and Adelaide because you don’t have a second grade structure or that they don’t produce players

Now, notwithstanding, the logical fallacy of that argument, I stated that those clubs would logically align themselves with a QLD Cup or other area upon entry to the competition, like a lot of teams currently do.

Apparently he suggested that wouldn’t work then congratulated the Roosters and Sharks for setting up junior arrangements as is the want of many clubs.

This is exactly the same thing, yet for some reason it is fine for certain clubs but not for clubs outside of traditional league areas to do that

Yeah i got no problem with clubs aligning themselves to others, bears been doing it since theyve been downgraded all those years back. but it cant be from the start of inception, if perth pirates came in they'd need to themselves for bit before heading off to sunny coast like the storm do... PR keeps joking about setting up PNG acedemies for Perth to pilfer off... that just goes to another level of quality trolling from him... clap clap

 

[Colk]

I did say broadcasters btw, you're the one here suggesting the differences about each broadcaster, either way regardless of adverts, they want content, and veiwers eye balls to watch their content.. spin it however you please to suit the narritive you need to vent out on PVL or the Arlc for fking it all up...

Btw you only blew up since this alf deal got done, not many gave two shits otherwise beforehand

Mate you are not addressing any of the points. There has never been this big a difference between the broadcast deals and people might want to shrug that off but essentially we’ll become a niche sport if we don’t do anything about it.

If the AFL’s deal was say $500 million (their last deal was $473 million for example) then your arguments might have a point.

Also I did criticise the ARLC for the way they handled the negotiations (I certainly wasn’t as joyful as some on here about what a wonderful deal V’Landys did) We didn’t get much of an increase for a new side, gave off our digital rights and added a women’s competition. So, it’s not like AFL are the only ones offering new content or giving concessions.

 

[Iamback]

Why wouldn’t they be able to in the event they have NRL sides? Do Perth and Adelaide not have airports now?

4pm flight from Perth gets you to Sydney/Brisbane at 8pm.
Wouldn't be out until 9pm

When do they train with the team?

As opposed to setting up with say Brisbane East, Having a few guys head over to do the pre season. Then sending the 2nd tier guys over for blocks of time.

THIS IS WHY HAVING A FEEDER TEAM for senior guys works but you need your own junior side

 

[Colk]

No I have said all along the only doubt I have is NRL undersold? Until we see the actual figures then you can say either way.

Again for the slow one

More capital cities
More womens teams
More games a week
Longer games
More breaks

Should equal more money

Why does Fox League have ads then? If money was 100% from Subs

Before you label people dumb or slow or some other pejorative term (Use the term obdurate or intransigent if you wish to criticise me - it has a bit more nuance than using the same cliched contumelious lexicon) let’s approach this with some sort of honesty from both ends.

I have stated that I didn’t expect the same deal as fumbleball and I can point you to posts in which I have stated that a 10-15% difference (which we previously had btw) considering certain factors national game/longer games vs more viewers/ Pay TV subscribers would have made sense.

Now if you want to argue that I’m being hyper critical, fine, that is your perspective; however, if you think that not putting it out to tender, or have read the articles and V’Landys responses regarding the negotiations (bearing also in mind how the negotiations have also played out with stadiums) and after all that, can honestly conclude that he hasn’t played a negative role in generating that difference then we can agree to disagree

I will ask you two questions though

1. What do you think is a fair difference between the TV deals for AFL vs NRL

2. What were your expectations of both of those deals?

 

[Colk]

4pm flight from Perth gets you to Sydney/Brisbane at 8pm.
Wouldn't be out until 9pm

When do they train with the team?

As opposed to setting up with say Brisbane East, Having a few guys head over to do the pre season. Then sending the 2nd tier guys over for blocks of time.

THIS IS WHY HAVING A FEEDER TEAM for senior guys works but you need your own junior side

Firstly, don’t capitalise words. We are not on Facebook.

Also, I agree with you. That’s how an NRL side from Perth would work. Would it be more difficult logistically yes but it could and would work.

 

[The Great Dane]

Well they cant bury their head in the sand any longer. If this TV deal doesn't wake them up to that fact then nothing will!

We've been through significantly worse times and that's never forced change before, so I don't see why the current situation would be any different...

 

[Perth Red]

You were a few months ago... giddy as a school girl at the prosect... mate keep beating the drums on deaf ears, but this circle jerk of frustration will end up giving you health problems... both these issues will be swept under the rug this time next year

Nope, now you’re just being disingenuous. I said I’d back a WA Bears owned by WA. There’s a very big difference.

 

[Perth Red]

Nailed it.

you have 120 mins to 80 mins

Pre game
Half time
Post game

To
Pre game
Qtr time
Half time
Qtr time
Post game

Plenty of more time for ads

$241million a year more? please!
Last deal gap was $31mill, we’ve added more content and given up digital, they’ve pretty much offered nothing and somehow that gap has gone from $31 to $241mill!

 

[Perth Red]

We've been through significantly worse times and that's never forced change before, so I don't see why the current situation would be any different...

There’s never been close to a gap like this, it blows anything before it out of the water and if nrl doesn’t catch up, and quickly, this war is very much lost. the overall revenue gap by 2025 could be as high as $450million a year!
pistol Pete better have A whole fcking herd of rabbits up his sleeve!

 

[The Great Dane]

There’s never been close to a gap like this, it blows anything before it out of the water and if nrl doesn’t catch up, and quickly, this war is very much lost. the overall revenue gap by 2025 could be as high as $450million a year!
pistol Pete better have A whole fcking herd of rabbits up his sleeve!

Mate the average punter in Sydney, whether they be fan, player, pundit, or administrator, learned almost nothing from Super League or the discontent that lead to it's creation. If they took basically nothing from that then they're not going to learn any valuable lessons from the AFL continuing to outcompete them.

Besides, the revenue gap between the two leagues has been growing steadily since the 90s. Sure the AFL's new deal represents a significant jump, but you'd think that if the NRL, clubs, and ARLC were really that concerned about it that they would have made significant changes a decade or more ago.

 

[The Great Dane]

The real kicker is that the AFL is odds-on to announce expansion to Tasmania in the coming months, and once they go to 19 it's only a matter of time before team 20 follows. Which begs the question; how much further will that increase their broadcasting revenue, or has expansion already been factored that into their new deal?

We both know that they wouldn't expand without getting more out of the broadcasters for it, unlike the NRL/PVL whom, for some inexplicable reason, seem happy to create free content for them at the moment.