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NSW team lists and insults thread 2018

Fangs

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Yeo is a decent replacement for Cordner. Probably playing better football too. I'd certainly have him before Josh Jackson.

But not for guys like Graham, Frizell or Angus Crichton. Not the same kind of player.
 

King hit

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Dunno why these eligibility rules are made so difficult. If you’re born in qld you play for qld. If you’re born in nsw you play for nsw. Not that hard

If that was the clear rule Thiaday would've been a Blue, Sterlo would've been Maroon. Fenech and Elias would never have played either in spite of them being babies when they arrived in Australia and Thiaday and Sterlo never played any sport in the states of their birth. They were only toddlers and spent their whole childhoods in QLD and NSW respectively
 

TheFrog

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Dunno why these eligibility rules are made so difficult. If you’re born in qld you play for qld. If you’re born in nsw you play for nsw. Not that hard
That would throw up just as many anomalies as the current system.
 

Clifferd

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Luke Keary born and bred Queenslander stars for New South Wales

I guess Tim Cahill can represent England at the World Cup because he’s probably spent more time playing soccer there then in Australia
 

isaiah

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You haven't been watching closely, have you? Can cover an injury in the backline, too.

Most underrated forward in the NRL.
I watched closely last season when he was keeping the jersey warm for kikau. Amazing how much better they are this year. Dumb coach had to learn from Fiji national team coaches how to use kikau best
 

OldPanther

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I watched closely last season when he was keeping the jersey warm for kikau. Amazing how much better they are this year. Dumb coach had to learn from Fiji national team coaches how to use kikau best

CHN is the one at odds with Kikau not Yeo lol. Yeo is f**king amazing.
 

OldPanther

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https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2018/05/23/are-james-maloneys-defensive-problems-a-myth/

There has been a narrative lately that James Maloney's defence is worrying the NSW Blues hierarchy ahead of the selection of teams for Origin I.

But is he that bad?

NRL.com Stats have recorded 75 missed tackles for Maloney this season – 150% of the tally of the next worst, Wests Tigers back-rower Robbie Rochow (51), with Luke Brooks and Mitch Moses in equal third on 47.

Firstly, what is a missed tackle? It's not always getting trampled over by a rampaging ball carrier who sprints off into space. It is any contact by a defender on a ball carrier in an attempt to make a tackle in which that contact is then broken. What this means is that if a centre runs into Maloney, who braces, and bumps off the ball carrier, halting his momentum, and the runner is then fallen on by Dean Whare without taking another step, Maloney earns a missed tackle even though he's done his job.

It turns out this happens to Maloney a lot. See the video below for a list of examples. The vast majority of Maloney's series-high 22 missed tackles in the 2017 Origin series were inconsequential fends or bumps as well. Of course, there are other times when a runner genuinely shrugs Maloney off and makes a break or scores a try. This happens to all edge defenders.

A better metric for analysing a player's defensive frailties involves try causes and break causes. In try causes, Maloney's nine is equal 13th-worst in the NRL and equal second-worst among halves behind Daly Cherry-Evans (12).

Break causes is where Maloney struggles – his 16 are an NRL high. Among halves, Raider Blake Austin (14) and Rooster Cooper Cronk (13) then Cherry-Evans (12) are all just behind him.

Often what this suggests is that edge is being targeted and certainly the opposite halves at those clubs in players like Aidan Sezer (four break causes), Luke Keary (three break causes) and Lachie Croker (three break causes in eight games) are well down on the break cause and try cause lists.

In this analysis, NRL.com Stats has attempted to break down the costliness of halves' misses and found Maloney's missed tackles aren't overly expensive. Of his 75 misses, seven contributed to opposition breaks, or one every 10.7 misses – meaning plenty of inexpensive misses (other misses are still not ideal if they bring another player out of the defensive line to help out but are much easier to recover from).

Top of the tree is Maloney's former Cronulla halves partner Chad Townsend whose 39 season misses have only led to one line break. Johnathan Thurston is another whose misses rarely prove costly and maligned Eels playmaker Mitch Moses is another who may miss a few but doesn't contribute to a stack of breaks – even more notable given his team's defensive woes elsewhere. Worst of the regular halves in this category is Rooster Cooper Cronk, who was something of a defensive maestro for years on the right edge at the Storm. What this tells us is the new defensive structures around him at the Roosters have taken some time to get right with Joey Manu getting swapped for Mitch Aubusson a few weeks ago.

Newcastle's Brock Lamb and Gold Coast's Ash Taylor are another two who may have fewer missed tackles than Maloney but the same number of misses leading to breaks, making their respective misses more costly on average than Maloney's.

In conclusion – Maloney may be one of the weaker defensive halves in the NRL in certain metrics but his apparently shocking amount of missed tackles are deeply misleading. His team has conceded the second-fewest points of any club (and just three points more than the Dragons) and he generally is prepared to get his body in front, even if he poor at "hitting and sticking". To an extent his defensive weaknesses are also balanced out by what he brings in attacking play, leadership, experience and decision-making. It would be a massive call to overlook him for Origin based on his missed tackle tally.
 
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Yes I did. You are just not hearing me and what I am getting at. You seem to think going for a team set up for all out attack will overcome defensive deficiencies. I disagree with that thinking as there are far too many examples where that thinking has been tried yet failed in Origin history.

If you went with a centre pairing of Mitchell and Roberts, and James Maloney does wind up being picked at five eight, you are going to have two poor defenders lining up alongside each other, and Qld will run their attack there all night. Sure you don't go just for players who are defensive specialists in the backs, but you cannot ignore defensive deficiencies when you consider the team as a whole. NSW probably has a bit more in terms of options in the centres than it does in the halves.
Why do I even bother with you, you're the same guy who pushing for Pearce all those years wearn't you?

The point I made wasn't that defence isn't important, what I was saying was that when two of the most explosive centres in the game are dueling, defences will be breached and can be made to look worse then it actually is.
 

betcats

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I watched closely last season when he was keeping the jersey warm for kikau. Amazing how much better they are this year. Dumb coach had to learn from Fiji national team coaches how to use kikau best

Lol yeah ok I can tell you havent been paying attention. He was in better form last season than he has been this season and his form this season is still good enough, certainly better Cordners. Yeo has been a walk up start in the panthers team for a few years now, he isn't keeping anyone jersey warm for them.
 

Spot On

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Is Tyrone Peachey up to this level??? Happy for him to be the utility but just wondering what those who really watch Panthers games think.
 
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Is Tyrone Peachey up to this level??? Happy for him to be the utility but just wondering what those who really watch Panthers games think.
Could win the game or lose it all by himself. The myth that he can cover everywhere is getting WAY out of hand. He can only play centre/Backrow at a first grade level.
 
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Why do I even bother with you, you're the same guy who pushing for Pearce all those years wearn't you?

The point I made wasn't that defence isn't important, what I was saying was that when two of the most explosive centres in the game are dueling, defences will be breached and can be made to look worse then it actually is.

Firstly you are confusing me with someone else. Where was I pushing for Pearce? I suggest you don't put words in my mouth.

Further you seem to be citing one game in relation to Latrell Mitchell and James Roberts. I'm looking at more than last Friday night's game as the basis of what I am saying. I talking about the players form based over the last 12-18 months, as well as looking at a wider historical perspective thanks. I've seen every game Latrell has played in the centres for the Roosters and he still has a tendency to come up and in too quick, leaving his winger marking two defenders. Go and look "at the tape" and you will find it backs me up. Hell even the NRL's own website shows some of that up when they looked at the stats of some of the contenders for the backline a week or so ago.

For example, Chris Walker was an very explosive attacking player, but his defence was terrible, which is why they hid him on the wing and not in the centres when picked at Origin level, even though he played a lot in the centres in his first grade career.

As to you bothering with me, why should I bother with you? You seem to go the person/insult angle solely because I have a different opinion than you do. I can accept people having a different opinion to me. That's life. However I won't put up with people questioning me in a personally derogative way like you do.
 

TheFrog

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Could win the game or lose it all by himself. The myth that he can cover everywhere is getting WAY out of hand. He can only play centre/Backrow at a first grade level.
The Panthers won 5 from 7 with him in the 6 this season, despite the protestations of some. It's not his natural position but he can play there at a pinch, which is what you want from a bench utility.
 

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