NZ Expansion

[Te Kaha]

" Until he blow a knee" ,throw in a hypothetical ,funny that could happen to any union player(which you leap to the defence) on big bucks who plays in France or Japan,injuries are not rugby league exclusive at last reports.You are stating the bleeding obvious :roll:
The French have no qualms in discarding players past their use by date.

So what? I am pointing out that your "guarantee" of 8 years is as hypothetical as him blowing a knee. Its why no club in their right mind signs a player for 8 years. I know comprehension isn't your strongest suit but that was fairly obvious from my post.

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Maybe you do a little analysing before leaping at shadows,all references I found doing my own research re DCE's contract from News Ltd/SMH/Yahoo 7,all indicated a potential lifetime $10m figure .They all infer at least regardless of the time scale $1m plus a year, heaven forbid his knee blows in year 4.

Well perhaps you should read the various links posted in THIS THREAD... they all show differing amounts.. THAT was what I was commenting on. Again comprehension not working for you.

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Please show exactly where he would be earning less than the reputed $1m figure,more so as that was around the annual mark offered by the Tits.If you can find such I will bow to your better judgement.

Where did I say it did? I know reading is difficult for you, but out and out lying is rather pathetic.

 

[taipan]

So what? I am pointing out that your "guarantee" of 8 years is as hypothetical as him blowing a knee. Its why no club in their right mind signs a player for 8 years. I know comprehension isn't your strongest suit but that was fairly obvious from my post.



Well perhaps you should read the various links posted in THIS THREAD... they all show differing amounts.. THAT was what I was commenting on. Again comprehension not working for you.



Where did I say it did? I know reading is difficult for you, but out and out lying is rather pathetic.

I didn't guarantee him anything ,you are putting words into my "mouth".Nor did I suggest a contract for 8 years is a good thing. And you have the temerity to bag someone's comprehension "pot v kettle champ" My argument has been he gets at least $1m pa ,which matches what many union players gets overseas.
Half the time you don't understand exactly what you have stated.

I do independent research apart from here , to establish my findings i.e. News/Yahoo 7 and SMH as examples.Suggest with your narrow perspective you could do the same.


Lying:lol:.Just trying to get the message through DCE deal is greater than you are trying to downplay it. Hope your ego well.

 

[Perth Red]

He makes no sense in his arguments. Apparently if I'm a talented 16/17 year old southern NZ rugby (sic) player and my future choices are:
1. Play Union in NZ on less money but hope to represent the all blacks
2. Play Union overseas and earn a $million but cant play for all blacks
3. Play league in southern NZ earn a $million and represent my country

he thinks few will choose number 3!

ive seen first hand in WA what opening up NRL pathways does for players making these choices and its been positive for NRL. That will be a big benefit for a 2nd NZ team, more talented kiwi players in the game.

 

[shiznit]

He makes no sense in his arguments. Apparently if I'm a talented 16/17 year old southern NZ rugby (sic) player and my future choices are:
1. Play Union in NZ on less money but hope to represent the all blacks
2. Play Union overseas and earn a $million but cant play for all blacks
3. Play league in southern NZ earn a $million and represent my country

he thinks few will choose number 3!

ive seen first hand in WA what opening up NRL pathways does for players making these choices and its been positive for NRL. That will be a big benefit for a 2nd NZ team, more talented kiwi players in the game.

Hmmm....

Here's the sporting rich list... http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11335078#

And only 1 RL player on it at 10... And he's almost universally despised by the RL community for being a mercenary.

There's 2 southern rugby players at 6 and 5.... Earning 2.5M & 2.3M a year respectively...

And From next year DC is about to walk in to the largest rugby contract ever...

 

[Te Kaha]

I didn't guarantee him anything ,you are putting words into my "mouth".Nor did I suggest a contract for 8 years is a good thing. And you have the temerity to bag someone's comprehension "pot v kettle champ" My argument has been he gets at least $1m pa ,which matches what many union players gets overseas.

You quoted someone who said it stating it as fact. You implied it was.
I have never said his contract didn't match what Rugby players in NZ and Europe are paid, I said its a desperate one off contract that would be insane to be repeated.

Half the time you don't understand exactly what you have stated.

So you're a mind reader now? More lies already.

I do independent research apart from here , to establish my findings i.e. News/Yahoo 7 and SMH as examples.Suggest with your narrow perspective you could do the same.

Since I was directly commenting on those articles posted that would be pointless.

Lying:lol:.Just trying to get the message through DCE deal is greater than you are trying to downplay it.

His deal is insane. I have not downplayed it. I have just said that the various links all tell a different story.

Hope your ego well.

did I say you lacked comprehension? basic English skills as well it seems.

He makes no sense in his arguments. Apparently if I'm a talented 16/17 year old southern NZ rugby (sic) player and my future choices are:
1. Play Union in NZ on less money but hope to represent the all blacks
2. Play Union overseas and earn a $million but cant play for all blacks
3. Play league in southern NZ earn a $million and represent my country

Since those aren't the only choices, your argument is as pointless as you are.

he thinks few will choose number 3!

No, they will more likely choose one of the many other options.

ive seen first hand in WA what opening up NRL pathways does for players making these choices and its been positive for NRL. That will be a big benefit for a 2nd NZ team, more talented kiwi players in the game.

Starting a team with only a bucket of cash is not establishing pathways.

 

[Perth Red]

Hmmm....

Here's the sporting rich list... http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11335078#

And only 1 RL player on it at 10... And he's almost universally despised by the RL community for being a mercenary.

There's 2 southern rugby players at 6 and 5.... Earning 2.5M & 2.3M a year respectively...

And From next year DC is about to walk in to the largest rugby contract ever...

and none of that is against what I said the three options are,
earn more money but have to move overseas and don't play for your country
stay and play for your country and probably earn less than in the nrl
play in the nrl earn a million AND play for your country

only one union guy on there that is on a million plus and still in NZ and even then his actual union salary as the top paid player in the country is only a million$, Foran will be on more than that next year.

 

[Perth Red]

ps what's insane is a Union club paying a 33 year old what Carter will earn next 3 years lol. At least DCE has the best years ahead of him, barring this potential knee blow out!

 

[dangerousdave]

Hmmm....

Here's the sporting rich list... http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11335078#

And only 1 RL player on it at 10... And he's almost universally despised by the RL community for being a mercenary.

There's 2 southern rugby players at 6 and 5.... Earning 2.5M & 2.3M a year respectively...

And From next year DC is about to walk in to the largest rugby contract ever...

Winston Reid makes $12 million per season?
12th round of the NBA draft?
McGaw makes $1.5mil a year in endorsements?

 

[taipan]

You quoted someone who said it stating it as fact. You implied it was.
I have never said his contract didn't match what Rugby players in NZ and Europe are paid, I said its a desperate one off contract that would be insane to be repeated.


So you're a mind reader now? More lies already.


Since I was directly commenting on those articles posted that would be pointless.


His deal is insane. I have not downplayed it. I have just said that the various links all tell a different story.


did I say you lacked comprehension? basic English skills as well it seems.


Since those aren't the only choices, your argument is as pointless as you are.


No, they will more likely choose one of the many other options.


Starting a team with only a bucket of cash is not establishing pathways.

You have only confirmed what i first thought,you no comprehende.Keep inferring, assuming,and calling me a liar,you don't win debates that way.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Winston Reid makes $12 million per season?
12th round of the NBA draft?
McGaw makes $1.5mil a year in endorsements?

I assume you mean Steve Adams, not Winston Reid... NBA pays ridiculous money, we all know that.

McCaw is the most recognised and respected sportsman in NZ, why wouldn't he command $1.5M in endorsements?

 

[shiznit]

and none of that is against what I said the three options are,
earn more money but have to move overseas and don't play for your country
stay and play for your country and probably earn less than in the nrl
play in the nrl earn a million AND play for your country

only one union guy on there that is on a million plus and still in NZ and even then his actual union salary as the top paid player in the country is only a million$, Foran will be on more than that next year.

???

McCaw and Carter both still play and live in NZ..

And your comparing playing for the Kiwis with playing for the All Blacks.... :lol:

You mentioned Kieran Foran.... I'll tell you this... Believe me... If Kieran Foran genuinely thought he was good enough to be an All Black... He would take a paycut and cross over to play RU.

That's what that jersey does...

 

[shiznit]

Having said everything above...

I support a 2nd NZ team... I think we could do it... And go it well...

 

[Te Kaha]

and none of that is against what I said the three options are,
earn more money but have to move overseas and don't play for your country
stay and play for your country and probably earn less than in the nrl
play in the nrl earn a million AND play for your country

only one union guy on there that is on a million plus and still in NZ and even then his actual union salary as the top paid player in the country is only a million$, Foran will be on more than that next year.

That's because you don't know what you are talking about.

How many players in a second NRL team would be on a million a year? I'll give you a hint, it wont be too many given the NRL has a salary cap.

Guess which code in NZ doesn't have a salary cap and can pay what ever they like?

 

[Te Kaha]

You have only confirmed what i first thought,you no comprehende.Keep inferring, assuming,and calling me a liar,you don't win debates that way.

Since you haven't offered anything but make believe, there hasn't been a debate, so don't worry your dense little head about it.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

If the NRL pays so much better than NZ Union, then the Warriors and NRL in general have been deadset shithouse at poaching NZ Union talent from anything above high school level in the past 20 years. Who was the last high profile NZ Union player to jump codes to League (SBW doesn't count as he came from league first). I can't even remember anyone switching since around Super League days.

 

[shiznit]

I remember Sharky Robinson playing a game for the Warriors once...

But your right... No one moves from RU to RL.

To be fair to RL... They haven't exactly been in the money over that time...

At least now with the commission and TV money now more accurately representing the games worth... The money will trickle down to the players who will earn more and more.

 

[Perth Red]

By the time they're established Union stars their bodies, defence and general skills are so far below nrl first grader that no nrl team in their right mind would make them a top tier salary player. 15/16 is the time to get the most naturally talented kids and develop them ready for the toughest rugby of either code competition in the world.

Within the next few years nrl will have 30 plus $million salary players in it, Nzru will have 4-5 tops. Their top player is only on $1million, every else is earning less than that. If you want to earn decent coin as a ru player you have to move to Europe or Japan and give up your all blacks dream.

Still, European Union clubs are dumb enough to pay a 33 year old millions so I guess eventually you'll earn a decent wage and the lack of physical intensity in Union means you will likely play into old age lol.

 

[Perth Red]

That's because you don't know what you are talking about.

How many players in a second NRL team would be on a million a year? I'll give you a hint, it wont be too many given the NRL has a salary cap.

Guess which code in NZ doesn't have a salary cap and can pay what ever they like?

2-3 with another 10 or so on 500-800k in next few years. I'm pretty sure. Marquee allowance will eventually come in then the gates will be open for well run clubs to spend whatever they like on attracting a star.

They can pay what they like but the game can't afford to. Nzru pays just $190k and s15 clubs are hardly flash with cash.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/265965/money-woes-force-change-at-wellington-rugby

 

[shiznit]

By the time they're established Union stars their bodies, defence and general skills are so far below nrl first grader that no nrl team in their right mind would make them a top tier salary player. 15/16 is the time to get the most naturally talented kids and develop them ready for the toughest rugby of either code competition in the world.

I actually agree with you that there is room for a 2nd team.

But now your just being stupid... You talk with such certainty that our RU players are inferior to NRL players but you have absolutely nothing to back your words up with.

When really... One could easily argue the other way...

go and have a look at Benji Marshall... He couldn't even get off the bench of our worst super rugby franchise... He was absolutely useless... He goes back to RL with his tail between his legs and now he's in the top 3 on the Dally M leaderboard at the halfway stage of the season.

That just blows your argument right out of the water. :lol:

 

[SpaceMonkey]

By the time they're established Union stars their bodies, defence and general skills are so far below nrl first grader that no nrl team in their right mind would make them a top tier salary player. 15/16 is the time to get the most naturally talented kids and develop them ready for the toughest rugby of either code competition in the world.

Utter bullshit. there are easily a dozen guys in the NZ Super Rugby franchises (probably more) that would make the transition and kill it in league. It used to happen when Union was amateur and League professional- back then there WAS a major financial reason to switch to league, but also a much larger gap in professionalism and training standards, yet guys like Ridge and Tiugamala did it successfully. Now Union is fully professional those guys are training at a similar level to NRL players- sure there would be a period of adjustment but to suggest that their baseline skill and conditioning levels are much different is utter bollocks.