NZ Expansion

[Perth Red]

You might get the odd winger or full back but the fact that no nrl club has gone after a s15 player despite the money they can now offer speaks volumes.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Plenty of wingers, fullbacks and centres who would transition fine. Some 5/8s would as well. Union halfbacks and forwards are much more specialised so I wpuldn't pick too many of them to do it, though its definitely possible for a forward to succeed in both as Brad Thorn proved, although he went from League to Union.

 

[dangerousdave]

I assume you mean Steve Adams, not Winston Reid... NBA pays ridiculous money, we all know that.

McCaw is the most recognised and respected sportsman in NZ, why wouldn't he command $1.5M in endorsements?

Because of the size of the market?

No, those were separate points.
1. Winston Reid is not worth $12million a season
2. There are only 2 rounds in the NBA draft

The point being that the article is nonsense fluff that was released over 4 days in order to get people buying papers.

I don't really have an opinion on the rest of this thread or even the article's relevance to any argument in it.
Just thought that some of the ascertations in the article were laughable and stand by that

 

[Te Kaha]

By the time they're established Union stars their bodies, defence and general skills are so far below nrl first grader that no nrl team in their right mind would make them a top tier salary player. 15/16 is the time to get the most naturally talented kids and develop them ready for the toughest rugby of either code competition in the world.

That's bullshit. Benji and SBWs returns to the NRL are enough to make that argument the last resort of the idiot.

Within the next few years nrl will have 30 plus $million salary players in it, Nzru will have 4-5 tops. Their top player is only on $1million, every else is earning less than that. If you want to earn decent coin as a ru player you have to move to Europe or Japan and give up your all blacks dream.

nice deflection since you just proved your argument invalid. How Many $1Mil plus players IF they stayed in NZ??? 1 per team max. The rest of the NRL is irrelevant since those teams are already there.

Still, European Union clubs are dumb enough to pay a 33 year old millions so I guess eventually you'll earn a decent wage and the lack of physical intensity in Union means you will likely play into old age lol.

Cliffy Lyon says hi... But another irrelevant argument. the fact that those clubs DO pay that money is further evidence that Rugby will pay more.

2-3 with another 10 or so on 500-800k in next few years. I'm pretty sure. Marquee allowance will eventually come in then the gates will be open for well run clubs to spend whatever they like on attracting a star.

More fairy tales. There will always be an NRL Salary Cap... NZ Rugby wont.

They can pay what they like but the game can't afford to. Nzru pays just $190k and s15 clubs are hardly flash with cash.

More proof that you don't have a clue.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/265965/money-woes-force-change-at-wellington-rugby

That's the NPC you dumbarse. It has nothing to do with the health of the Super 15 Franchise you moron. To quote that as a source for any perceived money woes in NZ Rugby only shows how very little you actually know.

You might get the odd winger or full back but the fact that no nrl club has gone after a s15 player despite the money they can now offer speaks volumes.

So all of the Articles about players being contacted by NRL scouts are made up are they?

Because of the size of the market?
No, those were separate points.
1. Winston Reid is not worth $12million a season
2. There are only 2 rounds in the NBA draft
The point being that the article is nonsense fluff that was released over 4 days in order to get people buying papers.
I don't really have an opinion on the rest of this thread or even the article's relevance to any argument in it.
Just thought that some of the ascertations in the article were laughable and stand by that

They are. It is nothing more than click bait.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Te Kaha it's honestly cringe-inducing to read your posts in this thread.

It's an interesting discussion but you're not adding to it by cutting up posts like an autist and responding with 'you dumbarse' or 'you moron' when you disagree with someone.

I'm sure you can make your point without resorting to what you've been doing.

 

[Te Kaha]

Te Kaha it's honestly cringe-inducing to read your posts in this thread.

It's an interesting discussion but you're not adding to it by cutting up posts like an autist and responding with 'you dumbarse' or 'you moron' when you disagree with someone.

I'm sure you can make your point without resorting to what you've been doing.

Considering I wasn't the first to resort to the name calling, nice of you to call them out as well... oh wait.

 

[Perth Red]

Keep it going Te, nothing better than a seeing union troll getting his panties in a twist lol. Come on you haven't even mentioned the Olympic appeal and the 4billion watching the ruwc as to why players will choose Union lol.

 

[Te Kaha]

Keep it going Te, nothing better than a seeing union troll getting his panties in a twist lol. Come on you haven't even mentioned the Olympic appeal and the 4billion watching the ruwc as to why players will choose Union lol.

Why would I need to? You have clearly shown you don't know what you are talking about. Every point you have bought up has been shot down. You have nothing.

 

[Perth Red]

neither of us can be proved right, it is a hypothetical at this point that will be proven one way or the other if another NZ NRL team comes in.
But in typical Union style you cant except that league is and will increasingly be a choice union juniors will make. It is this Union arrogance that will be its downfall eventually.

what has been proven is if you want to earn most money you have to leave NZ and give up playing for the all blacks, that is beyond argument. As a league player you can earn equal money but still play for your country. An attractive option for many. Like hiding their attendances union is not advertising the earning power of a player in NZ, why is that I wonder? There's a reason the best union players are leaving in droves to play in France, Ireland or Japan, NZRU cant afford to keep them. A problem NRL is not going to have after the next TV deal.

 

[Te Kaha]

neither of us can be proved right, it is a hypothetical at this point that will be proven one way or the other if another NZ NRL team comes in.

Wrong again. an NZ2 team wont change the landscape much at all. You are talking about a team that will have only 30 players. There is already League talent for that.

But in typical Union style you cant except that league is and will increasingly be a choice union juniors will make. It is this Union arrogance that will be its downfall eventually.

You have no basis to make that call. You don't even know how Popular League is in NZ. let alone how popular it is compared to Rugby.

what has been proven is if you want to earn most money you have to leave NZ and give up playing for the all blacks, that is beyond argument.

Again you are wrong. And typically for a myopic Australian you don't take into account the huge number of Polynesian players who will still be eligible to play for their country while still getting the big pay day. Something that League barely offers at the moment.

As a league player you can earn equal money but still play for your country. An attractive option for many. Like hiding their attendances union is not advertising the earning power of a player in NZ, why is that I wonder?

And how many Test matches do the Polynesian boys get? You REALLY don't have a clue. The All Blacks players earn just as much from the NZRU that a League player can, and they can get sponsorship or be a spokesman for a company or sell products without the restriction of having to fit under any salary cap. No NRL team can match that.

There's a reason the best union players are leaving in droves to play in France, Ireland or Japan, NZRU cant afford to keep them. A problem NRL is not going to have after the next TV deal.

Leaving in droves? at least get some facts before you make stupid statements.

 

[Brutus]

Te Kaha it's honestly cringe-inducing to read your posts in this thread.

It's an interesting discussion but you're not adding to it by cutting up posts like an autist and responding with 'you dumbarse' or 'you moron' when you disagree with someone.

I'm sure you can make your point without resorting to what you've been doing.

Good to see that bitter genius Te Kaha hasn't changed much.

 

[Te Kaha]

Good to see that bitter genius Te Kaha hasn't changed much.

I wondered when the rest of the fight club circle jerk would come out of their holes... guess its begun.

And of course its not to make a positive contribution to the thread.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I like it how when someone who is from NZ who actually knows something about NZ Union (and League) posts some facts, they're written off as a "Union troll". Most NZ League fans also follow Union to some degree, Te Kaha isn't running League down, he just actually knows what he's on about.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Well Im from Wellington. I played League here in Wellington at ALL levels. Some of what Te Kaha is saying isn't how it is here in Wellington.

Hes got some valid points though but if you look back at the previous posts, he was the first one to make his points with putting down other members down and thats not how you get your message across, thats actually how you make yourself look bad.

 

[UNION TROLL]

Cracking Thread this

 

[Te Kaha]

Well Im from Wellington. I played League here in Wellington at ALL levels. Some of what Te Kaha is saying isn't how it is here in Wellington.

Such as what? Please point out what I said that was wrong.

And I to have played, coached and even been a League referee in Wellington. Who did/do you play for? I played for Randwick, Marist Northern and Parramatta.

Hes got some valid points though but if you look back at the previous posts, he was the first one to make his points with putting down other members down and thats not how you get your message across, thats actually how you make yourself look bad.

Wrong, Look again. I was not the first to make it personal.

Cracking Thread this

Thanks gutters.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Such as what? Please point out what I said that was wrong.

And I to have played, coached and even been a League referee in Wellington. Who did/do you play for? I played for Randwick, Marist Northern and Parramatta.

Calm down already. See what I mean? You sound pisses off. Just calm down bro. Everyone else is wrong it seems but you.

You mentioned that Wellington easily had the talent to field a 2nd League side or something along those lines. Because of Union and Soccer, League doesnt EASILY have the talent. We are struggling in Wellington with League numbers. Yes weve had talent like Matulino, Tagatese and Tamou but we're not pumping them out as easy as every 3 years we produce a stable player as the ones mentioned.

Not trying to argue with you just setting it straight of how League here in Wellington is so that others will know.

In regards to being rude, what I read from Perth Red sounds like hes trying to be reasonable and when you look at your posts, you're just putting him down and saying hes wrong and so on..

 

[Te Kaha]

Calm down already. See what I mean? You sound pisses off. Just calm down bro. Everyone else is wrong it seems but you.

I'm in no way "pissed off". Not everybody else is wrong, just the Australians who think they know anything about the state of play in NZ let alone Wellington. You were wrong in saying I was the first to get personal.

You mentioned that Wellington easily had the talent to field a 2nd League side or something along those lines. Because of Union and Soccer, League doesnt EASILY have the talent. We are struggling in Wellington with League numbers. Yes weve had talent like Matulino, Tagatese and Tamou but we're not pumping them out as easy as every 3 years we produce a stable player as the ones mentioned.

The proposal for NZ2 doesn't just include Wellington. And no team will pull exclusively from their area. There is more than enough talent currently moving across the Tasman each year to fill a second team. As for Wellington itself, blame the inept management, I have seen them force to many teams to fold over the years to put any faith in them.

Not trying to argue with you just setting it straight of how League here in Wellington is so that others will know.

As am I.

In regards to being rude, what I read from Perth Red sounds like hes trying to be reasonable and when you look at your posts, you're just putting him down and saying hes wrong and so on..

That's because you don't know the history. And as I said, I wasn't the first to make it personal.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Sweet as Te Kaha. I honestly don't know your fellas history.

A Kingfisher, a Raider then with Marists, mate some good clubs there. Sad the other 2 aren't around anymore, sad for the former players cos they got nothing to celebrate memories with (e.g. old timers weekend) and some good former players they were.

 

[Te Kaha]

Sweet as Te Kaha. I honestly don't know your fellas history.

A Kingfisher, a Raider then with Marists, mate some good clubs there. Sad the other 2 aren't around anymore, sad for the former players cos they got nothing to celebrate memories with (e.g. old timers weekend) and some good former players they were.

All good, You are not wrong about the old clubs and my last year was under Laben at Marists, now THAT was the time when Porirua League was at its best. Only with the Raiders for a year but they were a good little club.