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O/T Bird to walk free as conviction quashed

parra pete

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Yeah, but you would Mr Fawlty....I would be disappointed if you didn't..

BOTH you and Suity should take over the running of the legal system, and while you are at it, the NRL as well. You would make a great team.. Wiseman (Suity) and his sidekick, the boy wonder Bazal Fawlty..

Mr Fawlty, if you have information that Justice Michael Finnane did not have, pass it onto him so Justice can be done.
AND while you are at it why don't you post that BIRD is a LIAR, and that he and his girlfriend are guilty of perjury, if that is what you KNOW to be true. BUT include your name and address so you can be hit with the libel suit. f**king idiot.
 

Bazal

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Ive had over zealous women come at me at times, im greatfull they were holding plastic cups at the time and I have maintained my reasonable looks

I often have over zealous women come at me tbh...but not with weapons or violence :sarcasm:
 

Bazal

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AND while you are at it why don't you post that BIRD is a LIAR, and that he and his girlfriend are guilty of perjury, if that is what you KNOW to be true. BUT include your name and address so you can be hit with the libel suit. f**king idiot.

Did he or did he not try and blame his room mate for the assault? This is well documented, and a lie, as found by the court. I never mentioned perjury...:?

Piss off back to polishing your "contacts" at the Raiders horns if you can't even grasp the most basic facts of the discussion, you stupid old coot...
 

sportive cupid

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Do you think they perjured themselves?
Well there have obviously been lies told as the story changed from the first day to the last.

I don't know if they perjured themselves or told the lies earlier.I don't think that really matters.But it remains a possiblity.
 

strider

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I think all he said was that any club who wants to sign Gred Bird will have to demonstrate a plan on how to 'manage' him (whatever that means). Still, I agree with you - if Bird is legally innocent, what is there to manage? The NRL, then, has no right whatsoever to act in a manner that suggests that he was guilty (which this does). By the way, I think he did it. But I think Lindy Chamberlain did it too, so what do I know?

I assume the NRL are concerned about the re-occurring issues with him - this wasn't a one off ... and as i've said earlier, just cos the judgement is not guilty, he was still involved in a brawl with his chick where she got injured and they tried to tell fibs about it to cover it up - thats still an issue
 

parra pete

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Well there have obviously been lies told as the story changed from the first day to the last.

I don't know if they perjured themselves or told the lies earlier.I don't think that really matters.But it remains a possiblity.

Yeah, it matters. Perjury is a serious crime. Do you really think they PERJURED themselves in court after they would have been sworn, under oath, to tell the truth. That is a very serious allegation to make unless you have proof
 

parra pete

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Did he or did he not try and blame his room mate for the assault? This is well documented, and a lie, as found by the court. I never mentioned perjury...:?

Piss off back to polishing your "contacts" at the Raiders horns if you can't even grasp the most basic facts of the discussion, you stupid old coot...

Here is an extract from ABC News, Mr Fawlty...I know who can't grasp the facts. Get your mum to sew up your pockets....

"But during this week's appeal, Ms Milligan says she falsely accused flatmate Brent Watson in order to protect her high-profile boyfriend from going to jail.

Bird was also facing a charge of making an accusation intending for a person to be investigated, knowing that the other person was not guilty of the offence. The judge also set that aside.

Judge Finnane said the Crown failed to prove that Bird had intended for Mr Watson to be investigated.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/25/2753581.htm?site=local
 

parra pete

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It is my opinion that Bird has been found NOT GUILTY and it should be left at that. Calling me names is not going to change the facts...
If anyone thinks he is GUILTY, raise the matter with your local MP and ask him to raise it in Parliament for you, but make sure you have the required evidence to back it up.
Not just because you think he is telling lies....
 

sportive cupid

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Yeah, it matters. Perjury is a serious crime. Do you really think they PERJURED themselves in court after they would have been sworn, under oath, to tell the truth. That is a very serious allegation to make unless you have proof
I'm not alleging anything Pete,keep your shirt on mate.

If they didn't perjure themselves then they told lies somewhere else.That's all I am saying.

And lying is not a good thing anywhere.Especially when it is about something as serious as this.
 

Casper The Ghost

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There is a huge difference between common law and statutes.

With common law the community (the tribe/village) comes together to deal with matters involving its members, i.e. a council of elders or trial by jury of twelve, etc, but with statutes, they are created from bills passed through parliament without the whole community (tribe/village) involved in the debate and sanctioned unanimously by them.

While common law is enforced by the whole community upon the community/tribe/village, statutes are enforced by political representatives of a political party who represent the public (or society) which are ghosts of the community/tribe/village they supposedly represent.

The public and society are ghosts (they do not exist) because the community was not involved in the debate, the trial, the outcome, the decisions (of every bill passed through parliament becoming statutes). They (the living tribe/village/community) were not there!!!!

Today, a magistrate or judge represents the fictitious public (or society) while a jury of twelve or council of elders represents the community/tribe/village they are part of.

Statutes are for fictitious persons (also known as agents-in-commerce or the strawman) who operate under admiralty law which is based on the laws of commerce (includes contract law, etc) while unanimous decisions from a jury of twelve (or council of elders etc) forms the basis of that tribe/village/community's common law.

Every man, woman and child who has a birth certificate has been registered to "The Crown" (an alias) as a vessel (strawman, agent-in-commerce) performing/conducting commerce on the high seas of commerce as is every dead corpse registered as a person better known as a private corporation.

Every strawman has a bond created with the treasury of "The Crown".

All intellectual property performing/conducting commerce on the high seas of "The Crowns" copyrighted intellectual proprietary knowledge are dead corpses (fictitious vessels), i.e, trusts, foundations, titles, deeds, licenses, registrations, permits, certificates, standings, etc, etc.

Due to the centralisation of powers we no longer have communities/tribes/villages (of MAN) operating under common law, instead we have private corporations that are vessels (dead corpses) sailing on the high seas of commerce. The Commonwealth of Australia, the NSW State Government, Local Councils/Shires etc, all government departments/agencies/authorities etc, the Local, District, Family, Children, Federal, Supreme, High Courts, etc, all law enforcement officers/agents (including military), etc, all other corporations no-matter-what, etc, etc, are all private corporations as is every politician, public servant, bureaucrat, adviser, expert, judge, magistrate, registrar, barrister, lawyer, prosecutor, attorney, notary, jp, administrator, trustee, representative, executive, director, chairman, etc, etc, are private corporations (vessels performing/conducting commerce upon "The Crowns" high seas of commerce).

Now if you can get your brain around this fact (truth) which version of reality was dealing with Greg Bird and his girlfriend..... Common law or Admiralty Law????

And which version of reality was sentient MAN/WOMAN Greg Bird, girlfriend and those other men and women following or involved in this case worshiping (believing in)????

Do you think that full disclosure was provided by the BAR (of law) and representatives of the BAR, government, media, law enforcement officers, etc, to all members of MAN (communities, tribes, villages of sentient MAN) to sentient MAN/WOMAN Greg Bird, girlfriend and the community, tribe, village they are part of or do you think that there was no sentient MAN/WOMAN community, tribe, village involved in this matter of Greg Bird and girlfriend, just dead corpse vessels performing/conducting commerce upon "The Crowns" high seas of commerce????

Why do all politicians, law/military enforcement officers, representatives of THE BAR, governor generals, state governors, etc, look to (represent) "The Crown"????

Wakey, wakey, wakey, wakey, wakey, wakey!!!!

Which world (version of reality) are you living in?????

The true issue over lies, perjury etc rests with Greg Birds (and girlfriend) community/tribe/village or rests with the fictitious public/society of Greg Bird (and girlfriend).

With the sentient community/tribe/village all members would come together and say gees, how come we did not see the symptoms of this problem long before they arose.... "where were we", "how do we stop this HARM from ever occurring in our tribe/village community again???" All shame on Greg Bird and girlfriend but all members of the tribe/village/community take full responsibility for the HARM as well. Why??? because all members see each other as intricate, valuable, unique and equal BONDED members of MAN while in the fictitious world its all about public and society based on commerce with no one (including tribe/village/community) taking full responsibility... they can't because they are all dead corpses (vessels) sailing on (BONDED to) "The Crowns" (rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions, contracts, bonds etc) high seas of commerce.

Hello anyone home???????
 
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parra pete

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I'm not alleging anything Pete,keep your shirt on mate.

If they didn't perjure themselves then they told lies somewhere else.That's all I am saying.

And lying is not a good thing anywhere.Especially when it is about something as serious as this.


It seems like an allegation there...."If they didn't perjure themselves then they told lies elsewhere.
Lying under OATH is a very serious matter. They obviously didn't tell lies in Court...that's what matter, as the judgement by Justice Finnane stated.

You can't just go around saying you don't believe them because you, without sitting through either the original Magistrate's sitting - or the Court of Appeal - think they were guilty because of what you have heard or read in the media.
I prefer to accept the decision of the Court, and let the bloke get on with his life.. If he is the person you think he is, he won't stay out of trouble for long..and then you will be able to say "I told you so".
I just hate seeing people vilified after they have had their day in court and found to be NOT GUILTY..because, you know what, it could happen to one of us one day..and wouldn't be terrible if there was no one there to stick up for us..

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
- Pastor Martin Niemöller
 

born an eel

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well guess what Pete, we can go through this again next month on his next appearance involving a glass and women.
 

sportive cupid

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..And I was so enjoying our argument Pete...

Goodwin's Law I am afraid.

Argument over.

Seriously though .I am a bit concerned.You seem to be very vexed by this case.I'm not sure why.It is known that the stories have changed over time.The Police and the courts have acknowledged that.Why can't you see it?

I don't know which scenerio is correct, but as long as there are different stories told by the same people I am afraid that there are lies.
It is simple really.
 

sportive cupid

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It seems like an allegation there...."If they didn't perjure themselves then they told lies elsewhere.
Lying under OATH is a very serious matter. They obviously didn't tell lies in Court...that's what matter, as the judgement by Justice Finnane stated.

You can't just go around saying you don't believe them because you, without sitting through either the original Magistrate's sitting - or the Court of Appeal - think they were guilty because of what you have heard or read in the media.
I prefer to accept the decision of the Court, and let the bloke get on with his life.. If he is the person you think he is, he won't stay out of trouble for long..and then you will be able to say "I told you so".
I just hate seeing people vilified after they have had their day in court and found to be NOT GUILTY..because, you know what, it could happen to one of us one day..and wouldn't be terrible if there was no one there to stick up for us..
And you can't just go around accusing me and others here of doing things we are not just because it suits your position.
 

strider

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It is my opinion that Bird has been found NOT GUILTY and it should be left at that. Calling me names is not going to change the facts...
If anyone thinks he is GUILTY, raise the matter with your local MP and ask him to raise it in Parliament for you, but make sure you have the required evidence to back it up.
Not just because you think he is telling lies....
:lol: :lol: :lol: ... I hardly think anyone is dying over it - no ones gonna run off to their MP cos some footy player got off a charge ..... there's nothing wrong with having an opinion on the matter on a FORUM (oh look - I can use bold and italics too \\\\:D/)
 

Bazal

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Here is an extract from ABC News, Mr Fawlty...I know who can't grasp the facts. Get your mum to sew up your pockets....

"But during this week's appeal, Ms Milligan says she falsely accused flatmate Brent Watson in order to protect her high-profile boyfriend from going to jail.

Bird was also facing a charge of making an accusation intending for a person to be investigated, knowing that the other person was not guilty of the offence. The judge also set that aside.

Judge Finnane said the Crown failed to prove that Bird had intended for Mr Watson to be investigated.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/25/2753581.htm?site=local

Milligan never originally made a statement...how can she have been the one who falsely accused the flatmate? Also, this;

Mr Watson also provided information to Police; confirming that Greg Bird had phoned him saying: “Something’s up with Katie, there’s blood in the unit, we’ve told police it was you.”
Apparently Bird then asked Mr Watson over the phone: “How do you feel about that?
http://www.nospam09.com/2008/08/25/greg-bird-police-assault-charges-over-glassing/

He's a liar, and you're a fool
 
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Casper The Ghost

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This court case was really just a lot of fictitious vessels birthed at shore (in harbour) conducting business with each other and upon completion of their commercial interests, they pulled up anchors and sailed off to another port/birth (at sea or not) where they will conduct further business.

There was/is no common law (community/tribe/village) involved in this matter. And Pastor Martin Niemöller saying is so very very true, without a community/tribe/village of equals existing there are no bonds to reality and without reality we are all left in a state of chaos as individuals, alone and apart from each other, becoming easy pickings for the establishment (representatives of "The Crown") to pick us off (commercially or not) one by one.

BONDS: Did You Know That Prisoners Are Bonded & Given A Cusip Number, Which Is Pooled With All The Other Bonds & Traded? .......: http://nospam06.com.au/node/5809

Did you know that prisoners are bonded and given a cusip number, which is pooled with all the other bonds and traded on the stock market under the name of the bonding warehouse (prison) where they keep the surety (person)?

The cusip number is supposedly made up of the persons government created ID number, either Social Security Number or TFN or whatever.
http://nospam06.com.au/files/corby2.jpg Have you noticed on Schapelle Corby's prison plate she was holding, it had her all caps person name, then PSL: 78UUNO 22/1997 TGL 10-11-2004

The prisoner is released when the bond matures, and they have finished earning their profits (interest)

It is rumoured (ha ha ha) that a prisoner can be released if a bond is issued to cover the cost and cancel/satisfy the obligation.

We are the self loading baggage in a commercial transaction of international trade and securities exchange when we travel from port to port.

Sea Port, Air Port, And the Trans - Port dept regulates all vehicles including trains.

Here's what happens here in Australia if you don't have a ticket to ride on their vehicle ... the policy enforcers are waiting to take you away.
http://nospam06.com.au/files/policy%20en-forcers.jpg
http://nospam06.com.au/files/vehicle.jpg
[Comment: Prison bonds are the biggest racket on the planet and that is why the numbers are increasing in USA cells because its huge business.

Securities Exchange
Definition: Stock Market
A market in which buyers and sellers of securities (or their agents or brokers) meet in one location to conduct trades

Any organization, association or group which provides or maintains a marketplace where securities, options, futures, or commodities can be traded; or the marketplace itself.

One area subject to 34 Act regulation is the actual securities exchange -- the physical place where people purchase and sell securities (stocks, bonds, notes of debenture).

Some of the more well known exchanges include the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange, and regional exchanges like the Cincinnati Stock Exchange, Philadelphia Stock Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange.

At those places, agents of the exchange, or specialists, act as middlemen for the competing interests to buy and sell securities. An important function of the specialist is to inject liquidity and price continuity into the market. Given that people come to the exchange to easily acquire securities or to easily dispose of a portfolio of securities, the specialist's role is important to the exchange.

Organization: http://www.investorwords.com/3504/organization.html
Association: http://www.investorwords.com/302/association.html
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Futures: http://www.investorwords.com/2134/futures.html
Commodities: http://www.investorwords.com/5873/Commodities.html
New York Stock Exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange
American Stock Exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Stock_Exchange
Cincinnati Stock Exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Stock_Exchange
Philadelphia Stock Exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Stock_Exchange
Pacific Stock Exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Stock_Exchange
Specialists: http://www.nyse.com/about/members/1022221394057.html
 
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