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[Meth]

i also think omar deserved another chance on the wing. but i cant understand why he is not playing their for the jnr warriors. the fish has not done anything in his time in fg to suggest he will be a success playing wing

Omar's not ahead of Fisiiahi in the queue. The Fish hasn't done so badly that he deserves to be written off, especially seeing as we've got him signed on a pretty lengthy contract and he seems to just be aimlessly playing fullback in the NSW cup. Would rather see if he can succeed on the wing. From what I've seen in First Grade this year, I think there's an argument for it being his best position for now.

 

[hitman82]

Omar's not ahead of Fisiiahi in the queue. The Fish hasn't done so badly that he deserves to be written off, especially seeing as we've got him signed on a pretty lengthy contract and he seems to just be aimlessly playing fullback in the NSW cup. Would rather see if he can succeed on the wing. From what I've seen in First Grade this year, I think there's an argument for it being his best position for now.

This.
While I have previously stated my support for Omar, I am definitely excited about seeing the Fish get another gig on the wing. From his efforts at fullback this season, all he appears to have going for him right now is pace and the ability to back up... both of which should serve him well in the 5 jersey.

 

[ozenzud]

Didn't Locke come into the team on the wing? Wade McKinnon was at Fullback. Two tries on debut...2009 wasn't it? Then when Wade got injured he went to Fullback.

No reason why the Fish can't be a winger. Hes fast, rule fast, but doesn't yet have the game sense to be fullback.

 

[hitman82]

Didn't Locke come into the team on the wing? Wade McKinnon was at Fullback. Two tries on debut...2009 wasn't it? Then when Wade got injured he went to Fullback.

No reason why the Fish can't be a winger. Hes fast, rule fast, but doesn't yet have the game sense to be fullback.

Yes Locke did.
The difference being, Fish has already played NRL on the wing and was shit there. Hopefully he is better this time!!

 

[ozbash]

Well, Omar didnt have a bad debut considering he hadnt trained with the FG team and was basically thrown in the deep end.

Fish as been ratshit each NRL game he's played.

So we dont select on form ?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Well, Omar didnt have a bad debut considering he hadnt trained with the FG team and was basically thrown in the deep end.

Fish as been ratshit each NRL game he's played.

So we dont select on form ?

Was Fish injured for the Sharks match, or available but overlooked?

Fish is a completely different kettle of fish to Locke. Locke could probably make a go of any position in the backline. Fish has one position to me, and over time could probably handle wing but would need a significant backing over a period of time. He won't get that with Manu fit.

 

[hitman82]

Was Fish injured for the Sharks match, or available but overlooked?

Fish is a completely different kettle of fish to Locke. Locke could probably make a go of any position in the backline. Fish has one position to me, and over time could probably handle wing but would need a significant backing over a period of time. He won't get that with Manu fit.

I see the very subtle joke you made there - well done.

Yeah man, Fish was definitely still injured when we played the Sharks - apparently he would have been on the wing otherwise.

So in your opinion, Fish is a fullback and a fullback only? In that case, the boy better pick up his act!

 

[beefstew]

Was Fish injured for the Sharks match, or available but overlooked?

Fish is a completely different kettle of fish to Locke. Locke could probably make a go of any position in the backline. Fish has one position to me, and over time could probably handle wing but would need a significant backing over a period of time. He won't get that with Manu fit.

Compared to fullback, playing wing is a piece of cake....if a player is a first grade quality fullback (which Fish obviously isn't) then swapping to the wing
would be simple transition. The only problem for guys like Locke and Bowen would be size if they were to play wing, but fish is a good sized guy so
that wouldn't be a problem....the only issue he has with size, is with his pea sized heart.

If he cant handle wing, he sure as hell cant handle fullback.

 

[hitro]

Matt Bowen is playing with the Cowboys tomorrow.

 

[Iafeta]

Compared to fullback, playing wing is a piece of cake....if a player is a first grade quality fullback (which Fish obviously isn't) then swapping to the wing
would be simple transition. The only problem for guys like Locke and Bowen would be size if they were to play wing, but fish is a good sized guy so
that wouldn't be a problem....the only issue he has with size, is with his pea sized heart.

If he cant handle wing, he sure as hell cant handle fullback.

Hold up a second, I think you're vastly underestimating the defensive challenges in playing wing. Defending large expanses of space with blokes having come up and in is not an easy task. Compared to fullback, you actively get involved hitting the ball up against a set line early in a set as well.

FTR, Glen's only played wing in first grade once which was against the Cowboys. He wasn't the only one to have a poor match that day.

 

[Scott]

He debuted against Parramatta in Rd1 2011 on the wing.

I'd like to see him given a good stint on the wing. He needs to pull finger and show he is a first grader.

 

[beefstew]

Hold up a second, I think you're vastly underestimating the defensive challenges in playing wing. Defending large expanses of space with blokes having come up and in is not an easy task. Compared to fullback, you actively get involved hitting the ball up against a set line early in a set as well.

FTR, Glen's only played wing in first grade once which was against the Cowboys. He wasn't the only one to have a poor match that day.

I'm not underestimating wing defense at all, however comparing it to the level of skill, fitness, anticipation, and commitment needed from a
fullback is overstating things a bit.

Most people around here are happy having Vatuvei on the wing, would they be just as happy to have him play fullback?....i'm guessing no,
and there's damn good reason for that.

I'm far happier with Fish on the wing, and was replying to the post i quoted by saying, Fish isn't a first grade fullback, so he better make
a go of the wing position, or things aren't looking too good for his future here.

 

[Iafeta]

I think we're expecting too much too quickly with Glen.... in a sense we almost made the same mistake with Kevin Locke in that for a good year and a half or so he was doing nothing on the wing for the Warriors. There is no doubt he is an unbelievable athlete. He's not getting consistent, regular NRL time. That can't be easy. Its a shame (but worked out well with Kevin last year) that he got injured when he did, because the game before he had torn up the Sharks and that match he was already showing signs of doing the same to the Roosters.

I think it will take him a year or two, same as I assume it would with Omar Slaimankhel. I don't think either are just the types of players that slot into first grade as the finished product. Both have enormous upsides. I don't think they're the sort of players you discard. There's not many players with the ability to score 10 tries in 3 weeks or whatever it was in any grade of football.

As far as the Vatuvei comment goes... while there's always the view to multi-skill players, some players are fullbacks and fullbacks alone, some are wingers and wingers alone. Locke for example is a mile better fullback.

I personally hope Glen tears the Cowboy's a new one tomorrow, and he gets that confidence to unleash on the NRL. We need players with his amount of X-factor coming through into our squad.

 

[TheDMC]

I think we're expecting too much too quickly with Glen.... in a sense we almost made the same mistake with Kevin Locke in that for a good year and a half or so he was doing nothing on the wing for the Warriors. There is no doubt he is an unbelievable athlete. He's not getting consistent, regular NRL time. That can't be easy. Its a shame (but worked out well with Kevin last year) that he got injured when he did, because the game before he had torn up the Sharks and that match he was already showing signs of doing the same to the Roosters.

I think it will take him a year or two, same as I assume it would with Omar Slaimankhel. I don't think either are just the types of players that slot into first grade as the finished product. Both have enormous upsides. I don't think they're the sort of players you discard. There's not many players with the ability to score 10 tries in 3 weeks or whatever it was in any grade of football.

As far as the Vatuvei comment goes... while there's always the view to multi-skill players, some players are fullbacks and fullbacks alone, some are wingers and wingers alone. Locke for example is a mile better fullback.

I personally hope Glen tears the Cowboy's a new one tomorrow, and he gets that confidence to unleash on the NRL. We need players with his amount of X-factor coming through into our squad.

Good post. Many pundits here have unrealistic expectations on these young guys coming through and start labelling them as this and that after a few games and for the most part its just unfair and basically full o shit. Very very few set the NRL alight (or any top level comp) straight away ala Hurrell. Some take a year or two, others never make it. But give em a chance...

 

[jamaman]

He debuted against Parramatta in Rd1 2011 on the wing.

I'd like to see him given a good stint on the wing. He needs to pull finger and show he is a first grader.

He needs to harden up to play regular first grade

 

[beefstew]

I think we're expecting too much too quickly with Glen.... in a sense we almost made the same mistake with Kevin Locke in that for a good year and a half or so he was doing nothing on the wing for the Warriors. There is no doubt he is an unbelievable athlete. He's not getting consistent, regular NRL time. That can't be easy. Its a shame (but worked out well with Kevin last year) that he got injured when he did, because the game before he had torn up the Sharks and that match he was already showing signs of doing the same to the Roosters.

I think it will take him a year or two, same as I assume it would with Omar Slaimankhel. I don't think either are just the types of players that slot into first grade as the finished product. Both have enormous upsides. I don't think they're the sort of players you discard. There's not many players with the ability to score 10 tries in 3 weeks or whatever it was in any grade of football.

As far as the Vatuvei comment goes... while there's always the view to multi-skill players, some players are fullbacks and fullbacks alone, some are wingers and wingers alone. Locke for example is a mile better fullback.

I personally hope Glen tears the Cowboy's a new one tomorrow, and he gets that confidence to unleash on the NRL. We need players with his amount of X-factor coming through into our squad.

I hope he makes a real go of the wing position as well, because he's a park footy fullback at best. Sure he scores a lot of tries for the Vulcans
but his defensive efforts are just as pathetic for them as they were for the Warriors... as you just said, some players are wingers and wingers
alone, it's not their fault, they just dont have what it takes.

Locke is a better fullback than Fish because he's a far more talented footballer, the only reason wing doesn't suit him is because of his size.
The good wingers in the comp cover wing all the time when injuries occur, Vatuvei has never had anywhere near the skills required to do
so...watching Maloney having to cover fullback, especially as he'd never played there before, because our wingers are so lacking in skill
was one of the funnier things iv'e seen in quite awhile.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I see the very subtle joke you made there - well done.

Yeah man, Fish was definitely still injured when we played the Sharks - apparently he would have been on the wing otherwise.

So in your opinion, Fish is a fullback and a fullback only? In that case, the boy better pick up his act!

Ha, the different kettle of fish one? That was completely accidental. And poor, too obvious to be of haha value. Not my best work.

Okay, fair enough. Bloke gets injured a fair bit huh?

No no I wouldn't say Fish is a fullback and will only be a fullback. I'm more saying he's going to be a big work-on to play anywhere else, and it may take a fair bit of time to get him to be an NRL-class winger.

Thing is, playing him at fullback for the Vulcans won't achieve that. When Manu comes back (and I think he should return via the Vulcans, FYI) and Fish goes down, he'll go to fullback and carve up again. And it won't do much for his improvement as a first-grader. Or none at all.

I rate the kid, he's got wheels. But Locke has a vastly wider skill-set and that's why he's done as well as he's done. Fish needs to expand his and I believe we aren't going to see that bed in until well into 2013, and only if done correctly.

 

[Rich102]

Sounds like Slimankhel is in for Fish.

 

[Blair]

Yep, Omar in Fish out.

Brown to bench, Mateo to start.

Steve Rapira drops out.

Source: Steve Mascord ABC Grandstand.