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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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Surely

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I will put forward this question to answer that statement.

Does anyone really believe that the NRL would face the extreme negative publicity awarding the 2013 premiership to a club that faces fines and suspended players if the ASADA investigation goes that way?

Answer: No way, any title would be stripped; just like players would face bans in 2014 for alleged actions in 2011.

We will just have to take your opinion as fact then.
 

gUt

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-27/goldsmith-passing-the-buck-at-essendon/4914592

Passing the buck at Essendon

In a misguided attempt to protect his brand, James Hird insists on denying his responsibility as senior coach for the doping scandal besetting his club, so bringing the whole game into disrepute, writes Wayne Goldsmith.

Every club has a code of conduct (flexible).

They all have rules of behaviour (bendable).

And they all have mission statements, vision statements, team values, team trademarks and team policies (all negotiable).

But there is one rule - one overriding law that every person in every AFL team knows and understands and cannot deny - that is unbreakable.

No-one can do anything in an AFL football department that directly affects or involves the players without the full knowledge and approval of the senior coach.

The senior coach in an AFL club has absolute power and total responsibility for all aspects of training and playing, and that includes the team's sports science and sports medicine program (e.g. player nutrition and supplement use).

Anyone who has any connection with AFL - or for that matter, professional football - knows that the rule applies to everyone, every situation, every aspect of preparation and performance - and all the time.

The fact that it has taken months for ASADA, the AFL and more legal minds than you'd find chasing a fleet of ambulances to come up with these decisions, sanctions and penalties is laughable.

It is clear this Essendon exercise has nothing to do with "clean sport" or risk management or player welfare. It is all about brand protection. It's been drawn out because the stakes for so many - the players, the senior coach, the club and the game - are so high.

Every sporting club and every professional athlete is justifiably protective of their "trademark" - their "brand" - the image that they "sell" to generate revenue.

The trademark and the protection of the trademark is everything in the corporate world, and it is the same in sport.

If you think about Sally Pearson, words like "professional, performance under pressure, superior athletic ability, composed" may come to mind. That's Sally's trademark.

Now think about Lance Armstrong. What words and images come to mind - "cancer survivor, athlete and champion" or "cheat, liar and deceiver"?

Professional sport is all about money and selling "trademarks", and no one - not sponsors, not fans, not the television networks, not advertisers - will throw money at a club or an athlete whose "trademark" is associated with alcohol abuse, violence, racial discrimination, bullying, sexual vilification, illegal gambling or, in this case, drug use.

That's why James Hird, the Essendon Club and its officials have fought so hard for so long to diminish their responsibility for what happened.

The Three Laws of Diminished Responsibility in Sport

There are three laws in sport – the Three Laws of Diminished Responsibility - which are as consistent and reliable as anything Newton ever wrote about gravity, movement or motion:

Under no circumstances accept full responsibility for anything you say or do

If the weight of evidence against you is so strong that it is impossible to continue to deny full responsibility for your words and actions, refer to Law of Diminished Responsibility Number 1

Do not do anything to contradict the first two laws

What kind of message does it send - to kids, to fans, to sponsors, to the public - that it is OK to deny any responsibility for your actions until you are faced with an avalanche of irrefutable and undeniable evidence?

After months of denial, maybe we will finally see some humility and admission of partial responsibility from those concerned, but only - only - when they had no other choice but to fall on their swords - or more accurately in this case, their hypodermics.

As for Hird himself, the question is - who advised him to take the course of denial he has taken?

Imagine for a moment that back in February he came out and declared: "I pushed the limits and boundaries in an effort to help my players become successful. I took some risks - I made some mistakes and for that I am very sorry. I take full responsibility for what's happened and I willingly accept any penalties or sanctions."

He would have got out of this with his reputation largely intact and may even have been admired for having the courage and the character to accept the full responsibilities of leadership. The club and the players could have moved on and enjoyed a successful 2013 season with little or no penalty. The game of AFL would have recovered quickly and the incident buried in a stack of good news stories and exciting on field contests. In this version of the story, everyone wins.

Instead, by persisting with the diminished responsibility defence, the reputation of the club, the coaches, management, staff, players and the game is tarnished - perhaps permanently.
 

elbusto

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The best idea is for the NRL to face whatever the reality is and deal with it then. The AFL made this a 7 month bun fight.

All we should be doing, surely, is to find out what is real and deal with it immediately.

It has worked in the past (Storm - Canterbury).

Just do it again and move on.
 

Frailty

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I will put forward this question to answer that statement.

Does anyone really believe that the NRL would face the extreme negative publicity awarding the 2013 premiership to a club that faces fines and suspended players if the ASADA investigation goes that way?

Answer: No way, any title would be stripped; just like players would face bans in 2014 for alleged actions in 2011.

How would they face extreme negative publicity? The players would be suspended, and the club unable to play for points in 2014.

The only time clubs would be stripped of titles if it is shown they broke the laws of the game for the period that they won the premiership. The Storm lost their premierships because they were found to be cheating in those years. What you are claiming is that if Storm were found to be cheating in 2006, but were under the salary cap all other years they would strip the 2007 and 2009 titles. Please.

Stop talking rubbish, and let the investigation play out.
 

elbusto

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How would they face extreme negative publicity? The players would be suspended, and the club unable to play for points in 2014.

The only time clubs would be stripped of titles if it is shown they broke the laws of the game for the period that they won the premiership. The Storm lost their premierships because they were found to be cheating in those years. What you are claiming is that if Storm were found to be cheating in 2006, but were under the salary cap all other years they would strip the 2007 and 2009 titles. Please.

Stop talking rubbish, and let the investigation play out.
Agreed.
 

Eion

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I will put forward this question to answer that statement.

Does anyone really believe that the NRL would face the extreme negative publicity awarding the 2013 premiership to a club that faces fines and suspended players if the ASADA investigation goes that way?

Answer: No way, any title would be stripped; just like players would face bans in 2014 for alleged actions in 2011.
I seriously couldn't give a rats if the sharks won the comp and it was stripped after the event.
 

magpie4ever

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How would they face extreme negative publicity? The players would be suspended, and the club unable to play for points in 2014.

The only time clubs would be stripped of titles if it is shown they broke the laws of the game for the period that they won the premiership. The Storm lost their premierships because they were found to be cheating in those years. What you are claiming is that if Storm were found to be cheating in 2006, but were under the salary cap all other years they would strip the 2007 and 2009 titles. Please.

Stop talking rubbish, and let the investigation play out.

Dude, I would give you 100s that they win the title - full stop. I would give you 1000s that the title would not be stripped if the ASADA investigation led to player/official bans.
 

Eion

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You're the one who keeps banging on like the sharks are gunna win it Maggie. You KNOW we got dis.
 
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Lol, I don't think any Sharks supporters are thinking grand final or winning it.
game at a time for us. We know better than to get ahead of ourselves.

It's a shark thing
 

ceagle

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The punishments were fair imo. The stuff they used was no more effective then creatine. It's hard to believe the Essedon club risked running these ineffective peptides.
 
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