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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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elbusto

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The AFL will have worked a deal that saves face and forces a move from the NRL. All we need to do is move with integrity quickly and solve our issue once we know what it is.

The AFL is a media machine dedicated to managing a tiny competition with no world significance.

Unfortunately for them it is now bleeding obvious.

Watch the fall out from the supporters of other Clubs.
 

El Diablo

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Grrenberg already said this today http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/27/sharks-progress-no-problem-nrl

Sharks progress no problem for the NRL

Todd Greenberg says the prospect of Cronulla reaching the NRL grand final while under investigation by ASADA is not a problem for the code.

NRL head of football Todd Greenberg denies that Cronulla reaching the grand final would be difficult for the code if the Sharks are still under an anti-doping investigation.

The prospect of fifth-placed Cronulla playing in the October 6 season decider appeared more realistic after they dismantled the ladder-leading Sydney Roosters in a 32-22 win on Monday night, securing their spot in the finals.

The AFL was at pains to head off a similar scenario with Essendon, securing an interim report from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority on their ongoing investigation into that club's controversial 2012 supplements program ahead of the finals series.

However the NRL has been steadfast from day one of ASADA's probe into rugby league and Cronulla's 2011 supplements program that it will take no action until the ASADA investigation is finished.

ASADA interviews with Cronulla players were only completed last week, leaving the likelihood the investigation will still be going during, and after, the NRL finals.

The possibility of the Sharks winning the first premiership in their 46-year history would seem a worry for the code should the club subsequently face sanctions, even though the period being investigated dates back to 2011.

Hypothetically, it could force them to consider taking 2014 competition points from the reigning premiers.

But Greenberg, who's only been in his new role for less than month, insisted it's a scenario that's not being discussed in the corridors of power at Rugby League Central.

"I don't think it would be (a difficult problem)," said Greenberg.

"(NRL CEO) Dave Smith has spoken about this already and I am going to say the same thing, (the ASADA probe) is a serious issue and we are taking it seriously.

"It's my information the investigation is some way from being completed.

"It's really important we don't pre-judge it and we wait for the facts.

"When we have the facts, we'll act upon them.

"I have no idea of that timeframe. We will be led by ASADA and what they tell us."

Cronulla chief executive Steve Noyce said the club were basking in the satisfaction of the win over the Roosters less than a month after they were hammered 40-0 by Trent Robinson's side.

And, despite all the turmoil surrounding the Sharks, the veteran administrator saw little sign of stress among the players and staff.

"I admire the leadership that (coach) Shane Flanagan has shown and I admire the resolve from the players and the Shire is right behind the team," Noyce told AAP.

"I've been here four months now and I sense externally there's more talk about (the investigation) than internally. The interviews have been ongoing and they are all finished now.

"I am sure the players sense that there's support from head office, support from their managers and support from their families and certainly support from the NRL.

"It's a feeling of everyone sticking together."
 

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That is a delusional view, quite frankly. Cronulla could win the Premiership then have it stripped mere months later.

You are an idiot.

How can you 'strip' a premiership?

Who were the NRL Premiers in 2009? Easy - Melbourne. All the soft-c**k penalties like the one you are advocating mean nothing at all.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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You are an idiot.

How can you 'strip' a premiership?

Who were the NRL Premiers in 2009? Easy - Melbourne. All the soft-c**k penalties like the one you are advocating mean nothing at all.

Keep on telling yourself that. I don't know if its blind Gallop hate or whatever else but it's something foolish. We cannot be soft on cheating in any form whether it be ElephantJuice or salary cap.

Not sure about that. Greenberg must know more than you mate. With all due respect.

I'm not saying I know more then Greenberg because clearly I don't but unless he feels ASADA have no basis to investigate and punish Cronulla then the point stands.
 

Lockyer4President!

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Doesn't seem much of a punishment for organised crime.
Everyone grab your popcorn. We're about to witness the worst day in AFL history.

Essendons punishments are as follows:

- Dumped from the Finals - Club keeps their points at 9th position (WHAT?)

- 2 million dollar fine

- James Hird banned from coaching for 12 months

- Loss of both 1st and 2nd 2013 draft picks and 1st round 2014

- Danny Corchran banned for 6 months

- Mark Thompson 30k fine, other sanctions not mentioned

Wet Lettuce leaf. Unbelievably soft. Essendon have practically admitted to drug cheating and they're still able to compete next year.

Essendon players are still eligible for Brownlow votes. Farcical.

What a f**king joke punishment. I know it's only the AFL's punishment for bringing their game into further disrepute but seriously now, Hird should be banned for life if half of what he did is true...
 
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So Essendon is penalised for bringing the game into disrepute despite not committing any offence.
If The NRL took this approach, half the clubs would be farked.
 

elbusto

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At the end of this process I think the NRL might have to thank the AFL for being so bloody stupid the way they handled their end of this.

Their blood bath of emotional crap has set the bench mark for how not to manage a disaster.

Their biggest problem has been all parties involved are AFL fanatics.

Whether you like him or not, David Smith brings an outsiders objective view to the whole thing and he will not feck up our response to the Sharks.
 

Surely

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So have they got the organised crims yet or is it all about getting some player who had cream rubbed on him ?
 

thorson1987

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That is a delusional view, quite frankly. Cronulla could win the Premiership then have it stripped mere months later.

And what would happen if the NRL stripped Cronulla of all their points, then after the season ASADA come out and say they have no case to answer.

The NRL is handling this the correct way.

Let due process occur then hand out punishments.

The AFL has really shot themselves in the foot on this one.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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And what would happen if the NRL stripped Cronulla of all their points, then after the season ASADA come out and say they have no case to answer.

The NRL is handling this the correct way.

Let due process occur then hand out punishments.

The AFL has really shot themselves in the foot on this one.

I understand that but it's a PR disaster in the making. You can argue the NRL are damned if they do and damned if they don't if you want but one result is arguably worse then the other.
 

elbusto

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And what would happen if the NRL stripped Cronulla of all their points, then after the season ASADA come out and say they have no case to answer.

The NRL is handling this the correct way.

Let due process occur then hand out punishments.

The AFL has really shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Fortunately for us in Rugby League we know we are all failed humans and we are not so surprised when one of us feck up.

James Tird, and the rest of his mates are angels in AFL. The AFL media has no capacity to work with anything other than perfection.

They are now having to deal with reality. Funny to watch.
 
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Lessons for NRL clubs:
1. Avoid needles even though you may be injecting mineral water. Needles have a bad stigma.
2. Natural and organic is best.
 

Surely

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I understand that but it's a PR disaster in the making. You can argue the NRL are damned if they do and damned if they don't if you want but one result is arguably worse then the other.

The alleged infractions occurred in 2011 no bearing on 2013

Should manly be stripped of their points as well before any findings are made ?
 
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