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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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magpie4ever

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They'd be the only option!

If Cronulla fold then the CC Bears will be the only expansion club that would be able to throw together a team in under a year, the Pirates may have a chance, but being in Perth it needs to be done properly and throwing together a team from the Cronulla roster that will almost certainly not be very successful early on due to all the distractions and added pressure is not setting up a new club in an AFL dominated city with little RL culture properly and would be a recipe for disaster.

Spot on, again (the comment, not the poster):p
 

The Great Dane

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they have no more chance of assembling a team than Perth

Perth ad far more to TV and the game in general too

CC is a waste and will never happen

Yeah but Perth is to large a risk to take on such short notice and needs to be properly planned!

Losing a new club based in Perth due to rushed poor planing would be really damaging to the NRL, it'd be a PR nightmare and it would kill their only chance of breaking into the Perth market.

On the other hand if the CC bears fold after being rushed into existence it's a much more manageable loss and not as big a deal, it'd still be a PR nightmare and it would probably kill their last chance of breaking into the CC market but the CC market is not worth half as much as the Perth market.
 

Perth Red

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Yeah but Perth is to large a risk to take on such short notice and needs to be properly planned!

Losing a new club based in Perth due to rushed poor planing would be really damaging to the NRL, it'd be a PR nightmare and it would kill their only chance of breaking into the Perth market.

On the other hand if the CC bears fold after being rushed into existence it's a much more manageable loss and not as big a deal, it'd still be a PR nightmare and it would probably kill their last chance of breaking into the CC market but the CC market is not worth half as much as the Perth market.

Nonsense, there is no reason or indication that rushing the decision to bring in the Pirates would have any greater risk than bringing them in a few years. The NRL may have to make more of an up front investment to get the right peope in place but from a playing squad point of view it is do able as much as putting together a squad in Gosford and if you hadn't noticed the last two games in Perth have had 20,000 people turn out so not like we don't have a fanbase ready to go.
Stadium is ready, fans are ready, 7 figure main sponsor is ready, jnr development is ready, we just need a club!
 

magpie4ever

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Nonsense, there is no reason or indication that rushing the decision to bring in the Pirates would have any greater risk than bringing them in a few years. The NRL may have to make more of an up front investment to get the right peope in place but from a playing squad point of view it is do able as much as putting together a squad in Gosford and if you hadn't noticed the last two games in Perth have had 20,000 people turn out so not like we don't have a fanbase ready to go.
Stadium is ready, fans are ready, 7 figure main sponsor is ready, jnr development is ready, we just need a club!

Shut the f**k up, you pommy twit.

CC is up the road for Sydney based players and their families, Perth is across the other side of a bloody large country.
 

Loudstrat

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they have no more chance of assembling a team than Perth

Perth ad far more to TV and the game in general too

CC is a waste and will never happen
Here we go. Gold Coast f*cktard ignoring the one million people in the Bears catchment, and the most able organisation in the country to set up an NRL club fast, and fully funded.

Nonsense, there is no reason or indication that rushing the decision to bring in the Pirates would have any greater risk than bringing them in a few years. The NRL may have to make more of an up front investment to get the right peope in place
Costs the NRL more $ for the same result! Therefore - greater risk!
but from a playing squad point of view it is do able as much as putting together a squad in Gosford and if you hadn't noticed the last two games in Perth have had 20,000 people turn out so not like we don't have a fanbase ready to go.
Gosford has been regularly getting crowds like that for a decade.
Stadium is ready, fans are ready, 7 figure main sponsor is ready, jnr development is ready, we just need a club!
And a sh*tload of NRL cash :crazy:

In a month you'll be whinging about travel costs and probably defect to Union.
 

Perth Red

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lol, it isn;t 1970 dumb ass! Pay the money players will go anywhere in the world, as we see everyday.[/QUOTE]

You are a dumb f**ker. What a ridiculous statement.

no what's fcking dumb is thinking that professional sportsmen are not going to be prepared to live 5 hours away from their home city! It may have escaped your notice but players move around the country and to the ESL every season.
 

Perth Red

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Costs the NRL more $ for the same result! Therefore - greater risk! .

Its not the same result at all, NRL want a team in Perth and don;t want another team in NSW, in no way is it the same result for the NRL!

Anyways peeps take it to the expansion forum if you want to debate the merits of Perth or Gosford! We can go at it all month there.
 

The Great Dane

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Nonsense, there is no reason or indication that rushing the decision to bring in the Pirates would have any greater risk than bringing them in a few years. The NRL may have to make more of an up front investment to get the right peope in place but from a playing squad point of view it is do able as much as putting together a squad in Gosford and if you hadn't noticed the last two games in Perth have had 20,000 people turn out so not like we don't have a fanbase ready to go.
Stadium is ready, fans are ready, 7 figure main sponsor is ready, jnr development is ready, we just need a club!

Your that desperate for a team to call your own that you'd rush them into the comp with a roster made up mainly of what is left of the Sharks roster after ASADA is done with them and has possibly ban some players for two or more years and most of the other more reliable/famous players still on the roster have been signed by the other Sydney clubs for less money then the Pirates are offering because they don't want to move their families to the other side of the country!?

All that would be left for the Pirates would be the players without others commitments (without families in most cases) and the desperate players that could not find a club willing to pay them half as much as the Pirates are offering, they'd struggle to compete and would most likely be hammer black and blue by every team they played, the people of Perth (outside of the hardcore RL fans) would quickly become disconnected and ashamed with them and probably simply look on them as an embarrassment (see GWS and Sydney) which would start them off on the wrong foot straightaway with your crowds of 20,000 shrinking fast (probably to around 10,000), in other words it'd be an unmitigated disaster.

The NRL simply cannot afford for the Pirates not be a success and need them to be instantly competitive if their going to be successful, not necessarily top of the table in their first year but competitive and in this scenario where the Sharks fold and the Pirates take their place 9 out of 10 times their scraping the bottom of the ladder and fighting not to take the spoon out of Parramatta, and that is not what either you or the NRL want or can afford to happen in Perth!
 

The Great Dane

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Its not the same result at all, NRL want a team in Perth and don;t want another team in NSW, in no way is it the same result for the NRL!

Anyways peeps take it to the expansion forum if you want to debate the merits of Perth or Gosford! We can go at it all month there.

No the NRL don't want another team in Sydney and believe it or not the CC is not in Sydney!

They'ed be getting the same result for a lot less cash and with a lot less risk as Loudstrat says. In either case they'll be minus one Sydney based club and be plus one club in an untapped market.

You could argue that the CC market is much smaller then the Perth market, but I'd just counter with the Perth market is to much to risk on a club thrown together in under a year.
 

Billythekid

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I don't really get the whole 'same result with far less risk'. Perth and CC offer to the NRL completely different prospects when it comes to our tv deal. The CC offers an opportunity to have another game in an area that is already quite strong in terms of a rugby league fan base.

A perth team allows us to tap into a whole new fan base and also play around a lot more with the tv timeslots.

Now i don't care which team you think is the better option i don't see how they offer the exact same thing to the NRL.
 

Stagger Lee

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Come on guys all this talk of moving the shark carcass to another location is poor form. They are not dead ...... YET :)

Back on topic.

Robinson also claimed Hird's house was once raided by Australian Federal Police over a drugs investigation.
Robinson said when Dank joined Essendon on September 28, 2011, the pair went to Hird's home that night.
"That night it got raised about his house being raided in regards to the Shane Charter drug conviction," Robinson said.
"He told us that at 5:00am ... his house got raided.
"They went through cereal boxes, cupboards, everywhere, looking for things.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-31/hird-piloted-bombers-supplements-program/4857196


For the Police to actually carry out a raid on James Hirds house makes Cronulla problems look minor - It's good to see the Victorian media starting to hammer the AFL
 

elbusto

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http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-leag...d-to-find-source-of-leaks-20130731-2qzmy.html

Ongoing investigation: Cronulla Sharks players face a second round of interviews by ASADA officials. Photo: Getty Images

The Australian Federal Police could be asked to investigate whether the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has breached its own act and illegally leaked sensitive information to the media.
A leading barrister, who is involved in the current doping probe, has written to the Australian Minister for Sport, Don Farrell, calling for an inquiry into ASADA amid concerns the anti-doping body has leaked information it has gathered during its probe into the NRL and AFL.
An official complaint will be made to the AFP if the matter, which has also been referred to the Word Anti-Doping Authority, is not acted upon. Under section 71 of the ASADA Act, it is an offence if National Anti-Doping scheme personal information is disclosed to ''someone else''. The penalty for doing so is two years in jail.
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Former Cronulla trainer: Trent Elkin. Photo: Anthony Johnson AWJ

Should the AFP become involved, it won't be the first time they have investigated ASADA. The federal police raided the agency over the AFL's concerns that the names of footballers were leaked in 2006 in relation to drug testing. The AFL took out a Supreme Court injunction to prevent the media from publishing the names of three players who had tested positive to illicit substances on two occasions. On that occasion, the AFP cleared ASADA of any wrongdoing.
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The development comes amid concerns sensitive information, including the contents of ASADA's interview with former Cronulla trainer Trent Elkin, had been leaked to a media organisation. And Canberra winger Sandor Earl obtained a Supreme Court injunction to prevent his medical records being published. In a judgment delivered by Justice Richard White on June 20, lawyers for Earl were successful in preventing Nationwide News, publisher of the Daily Telegraph, printing the player's ''confidential'' medical information.
Martin Hardie, a lecturer in law at Deakin University and an expert in the WADA code, said the investigation would be seriously compromised if confidentiality protocols weren't adhered to.
''It's a concern that many of the things appearing in the media about the Cronulla players seem to be relevant to the investigation, such as what substances were taken, etc,'' Hardie said.
''It's a federal police matter. If it has come from ASADA it is clearly a breach of the Act.
''One would hope the minister for sport is watching the detectives. One would hope those responsible for investigating Commonwealth crimes are also watching the detectives. It could also be a matter for the privacy commissioner. If it is ASADA material, it should be fairly obvious where it's coming from.
''If any clubs or players are concerned about this, they should make a complaint.''
It is understood that information leaked to or from government sources is a breach of the code. Hardie, who has represented athletes accused of doping, said there were rare cases where ASADA could go public with findings.''The ASADA Act specifically says the only time that the information can be released is with the consent of the athlete or at the completion of the whole process, which includes any appeal to the court of arbitration for sport, etc,'' he said.
''If one presumes the only possible source of this information could be from someone involved in the investigation, it appears they have breached section 71 of the ASADA Act. That's a Commonwealth crime.''
The news comes amid speculation that an NRL forward who has not played for Cronulla was about to roll over and take a reduced six-month drugs ban. Sources said the player has scheduled an interview with ASADA later this month.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ce-of-leaks-20130731-2qzmy.html#ixzz2aez8EoAz
 

Card Shark

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If we die & there is a fair chance we might, surely the NRL will put a team in Perth over the Central Coast. The 2 hr time difference & a new market will far outweigh anything else.


To say they wouldn't go to Perth because they would be unprepared is crap. A Perth franchise has been in the pipeline for a couple of years & I'm sure there is an organisation over there half ready to go. I would suggest that the NRL has had a contingency plan if we were to fall over since this news broke 5 months ago. They will get enough players to be competitive.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/drug-probe-has-no-time-limit-fahey-20130731-2qzlz.html
Drug probe has no time limit: Fahey

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Samantha Lane
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Scoffing at calls to hasten the drug inquiries inflicting unprecedented damage on Australia's top football codes, the World Anti-Doping Agency's president says the national sports drug authority should ''take whatever time that it takes'' to unearth the truth.

While sympathetic to frustrated football fans, WADA boss John Fahey has emphasised that enforcing integrity is more important than the reputation of any sporting figure or code.

''There's nothing special about AFL or NRL, or rugby union or cricket - the sports that we know so well here - any more than there's something special about cycling in Europe, or athletics or swimming or whatever,'' Fahey told Fairfax Media on Wednesday.

''ASADA should take whatever time is necessary to bring it to a conclusion. There is no provision whatsoever for any anti-doping organisation to conclude any inquiries in any time frame. Their obligation is to investigate and inquire without fear or favour. This is what every other sport, outside the major leagues, in the whole world are bound by.''

Fahey's comments come after Essendon coach James Hird last week said the ASADA probe into the Bombers ''has just got to finish … because it's not fair on so many people''.

On the same night that Essendon president David Evans suffered a physical breakdown in the club's change rooms, Hird said the ASADA investigation threatened to affect lives permanently. Previously, AFL deputy CEO Gillon McLachlan had stressed the league's desperation to have ASADA's findings delivered before the September finals, saying a resolution to the case ''goes to the heart of the integrity of our finals series''.

Fahey, however, stated this week: ''The findings will come when they come.

''It took 2½ years in America to get to the point where charges were laid against Lance Armstrong and others. The world cup starts next week in track and field in Russia and I haven't heard the IAAF saying these matters involving Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell need to be put aside until after we hold our world cup. No one asks that question.

''Whilst I have enormous sympathy for the frustration of fans - particularly if it involves the club you support - we have to recognise that above all of this is the integrity of the game and the integrity of sport itself.

''We follow sport because we believe it's a level playing field; that it's a contest of skills between two different teams or individual athletes. If we haven't got a belief in that because of some external events that are occurring, then we'll stop following sport as fans.''

Soon to complete his term as WADA president, former NSW premier Fahey is monitoring events in Australian sport as an especially interested observer but says he has had no personal involvement with ASADA related to the NRL and AFL investigations.

Throughout the ordeals still tormenting both codes, Fahey has highlighted WADA's guiding principle of ''strict liability'', which demands that athletes are responsible for whatever enters their body, regardless of whether a prohibited substance is taken intentionally or unintentionally.

''You just don't distinguish,'' he repeated on Wednesday, ''The code is the code.''

Fahey has also consistently cut through apparently blurry lines by underlining that one of the substances in question in both the AFL and NRL cases - AOD-9604 - is clearly a banned substance under WADA's rules, telling Fairfax Media recently: ''All that matters for an anti-doping violation, an ADV, is the WADA code. The simple facts here are there's a code, the athlete is bound by that code, the athlete is liable if there's a breach of that code or a violation under that code. Full stop.''

While noting this week that he has felt pleased by the ''very proactive'' approach the AFL has taken to its doping scandal, Fahey said: ''As for the proportions of it, time will tell. But I'd be confident that the AFL will do what has to be done. I think from what I can see they've been proceeding in that manner. The only thing that I can say is that there's no time frame on what ASADA might do.''
lol

it does in the AFL

ASADA are finishing it to suit the AFL and also doing it half arsed as they won't be using the new powers they acquired today which would see them to compel Dank
 
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