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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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ek999

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Fahey is saying one thing and the AFL and ASADA another. Don't you agree?

In regards to timeframes? I don't think so. Just because they expect to have the report finalised on an expected date doesn't mean that it is a specified deadline. They would want any investigation completed in the quickest possible time though, not just the NRL and AFL investigations.
 

El Diablo

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Sorry mate, but you are just delusional.

then how come AFL journos agree with me?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/asadas...rom-stephen-dank/story-fnect155-1226673951735

ASADA's investigation cannot be completed without testimony from Stephen Dank

Mark Robinson
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July 03, 2013 10:00PM

TO paraphrase Superman's famous words: This looks like a fight for truth, justice and the AFL's way.

The AFL wants the Essendon drugs investigation completed by August, presumably so it can act - if it has to - before the Bombers embark on a September campaign.

ASADA works hand in hand with the AFL on this one, so we can presume again it is on board.

But how can the investigation be completed without testimony from the man at the very heart of its happenings - Stephen Dank?

New federal laws, passed last week, allow ASADA to compel persons of interest to appear and answer questions, and more importantly, produce relevant documents.

ASADA has the power to compel Dank to appear. Or it will, when the law comes into effect early next month.

Dank has said he won't appear, and has threatened legal action if he is summoned.

In the meantime, the AFL says it wants the investigation wrapped in a bow by August.

So much for the exhaustive search for truth in one of the biggest scandals in football history.

Surely, Dank's evidence is crucial.

This investigation cannot be properly completed until he speaks.

If it drags into court for a determination, then so be it.

We need to see his documentation, specifically a claimed email from the World Anti-Doping Agency.

We need him to detail what he administered to the players, and who knew about it, and whatever else that can shed light on this drugs debacle.

If completed before Dank speaks, then it is not a completed investigation.

World anti-doping figures are at pains to explain that the brief of evidence built to catch Lance Armstrong took years to collate.

We love our game, but its integrity cannot be tarnished because the AFL wants it completed before finals start.

The new law already has hit its first hurdle.

Dank has given it two fingers.

"They (ASADA) have been trying to manipulate an outcome with a Federal Government and then expect full co-operation when they have completely disregarded the entire process," Dank said at the weekend.

"The way it has been handled shows no regard for truth - only for outcome."

There's irony for you.

Dank says there's no regard for truth, but at the same time won't help discover the truth.

As for ASADA, surely you can't ask for greater powers, receive them, and then not use them for its own integrity.

Doping is the axis of evil in sport, and the AFL shouldn't worry about when the investigation is completed, or worry about Essendon playing finals or, heaven forbid, winning the Grand Final.

If the Bombers saluting in September is the-worst case scenario, that can be dealt with later.

No, the AFL should concern itself with proper process and diligence in collecting all evidence.

Without Dank, it's a compromised investigation.
 

ek999

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Second line of the article says the AFL want it all completed by August (i.e. 31 July at the latest). Seeing as though that was yesterday they haven't got the timeframe they wanted
 

El Diablo

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Second line of the article says the AFL want it all completed by August (i.e. 31 July at the latest). Seeing as though that was yesterday they haven't got the timeframe they wanted

they have finished interviews and the ASADA report will be completed by tomorrow

it will be a couple of weeks after that before it's made public

that is what the TV news has reported today
 

ek999

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So it won't be public until at least a fortnight after the AFL wanted. Then if infractions are to be issued all those tribunal hearings will need to be setup and run along with any AFL imposed penalties on Essendon all of which will happen just before or during the final series. Not good timing for the AFL at all. Also as soon as an infraction is issued to a player they can't play so Essendon will be most likely playing a reserve grade side for the final weeks of the competition.

On the other hand, the Sharks investigation won't be wrapped up until after the season IMO as they need to start the interviews all over again. Sure it might happen during the world cup but that is a lot better then during the finals series as not many Sharks players will actually be playing in it and those that are can be replaced.
 
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But, but, but All Victorians are biased and not to be trusted. Isn't that your usual line (except when it suits obviously).

Should ASADA interview Danks? Definately.
Is ASADA wrapping up the investigation to suit the AFL? I doubt it.
Does ASADA have enough information to issue sanctions without interviewing Danks? Quite possibly, but we'll know when the report is released.

See the difference between you and I El D, is that I don't wear a tin foil hat, and hide in the corner muttering that everyone is out to get me. I'd prefer to sit back, watch an independent body do their job and trust that the fair and just out come will result. Because whilst you think that the entire State of Victoria will be chearing if ASADA go lenient of Essendon, the fact is there will be fans of 15 other AFL clubs baying for blood as they watch their opposition get a free ride, if that does in fact occur.

Trust. It's something you should try once and a while.
 

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After watching the AFL story last night, the comment that intrigued me was: that Alex D (AFL CEO) was currently in New York with McGuire (Collingwood Pres) and, I think, the presidents of Western Bulldogs and St Kilda. None of the panel seemed interested as to why.

I thought WTF, what is this really all about - so late in the season and on the supposed verge of the release of AFL/ASADA report. Maybe, there might be more to this then four middle aged blokes going on a holiday together.

Any ideas? Future planning for the AFL without the bombers, maybe.
 
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you aren't understanding

it won't be public but as of tomorrow it will be completed exactly like the AFL wanted

Given the lack of support ASADA has received from The Sharks (and they've had their own reasons for that), ASADA have been able to focus most of their attention and resources on the AFL. So doesn't it stand to reason that the AFL investigation would be finished well in advance of the NRL investigation?
 

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Given the lack of support ASADA has received from The Sharks (and they've had their own reasons for that), ASADA have been able to focus most of their attention and resources on the AFL. So doesn't it stand to reason that the AFL investigation would be finished well in advance of the NRL investigation?

lol

ASADA were the ones who cancelled the interviews
 

andrew057

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After watching the AFL story last night, the comment that intrigued me was: that Alex D (AFL CEO) was currently in New York with McGuire (Collingwood Pres) and, I think, the presidents of Western Bulldogs and St Kilda. None of the panel seemed interested as to why.

I thought WTF, what is this really all about - so late in the season and on the supposed verge of the release of AFL/ASADA report. Maybe, there might be more to this then four middle aged blokes going on a holiday together.

Any ideas? Future planning for the AFL without the bombers, maybe.

Pretty sure the trip had been planned for quite a while now. Researching revenue sharing like the NFL use.

If it were planning for a future with out the bombers why would the bulldogs and saints presidents be there? They'd had f**k all pull in anything Vlad wants to happen.
 

El Diablo

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After watching the AFL story last night, the comment that intrigued me was: that Alex D (AFL CEO) was currently in New York with McGuire (Collingwood Pres) and, I think, the presidents of Western Bulldogs and St Kilda. None of the panel seemed interested as to why.

I thought WTF, what is this really all about - so late in the season and on the supposed verge of the release of AFL/ASADA report. Maybe, there might be more to this then four middle aged blokes going on a holiday together.

Any ideas? Future planning for the AFL without the bombers, maybe.

a fact finding mission

Roy Masters said earlier this year he could have saved them the money http://www.smh.com.au/sport/us-mode...ter-a-bigger-slice-of-pie-20130531-2nh96.html
 

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After watching the AFL story last night, the comment that intrigued me was: that Alex D (AFL CEO) was currently in New York with McGuire (Collingwood Pres) and, I think, the presidents of Western Bulldogs and St Kilda. None of the panel seemed interested as to why.

I thought WTF, what is this really all about - so late in the season and on the supposed verge of the release of AFL/ASADA report. Maybe, there might be more to this then four middle aged blokes going on a holiday together.

Any ideas? Future planning for the AFL without the bombers, maybe.

Pretty sure it was reported that it was the bosses of Hawthorn, St.Kilda and Collingwood were there with some head honcho from the AFL.

This was revealed at the same time that James Hird alleged that Collingwood, St.Kilda and Hawthorn were all using 'enhancements' on their players as well.

Seemed rather coincidental that the bosses of those 3 clubs were all together in a hotel in USA.
 

ek999

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yup

you got owned

the investigation is half arsed and even the biased Victorians say that

Where did that article say that it was a half-arsed investigation. One journo has said that for it to be complete Dank needs to be interviewed. But what's the point in doing so if he is first going to challenge in court to stop any interview take place. Then do you really expect a man who has gone to great lengths to hide what he has done suddenly decide to tell them everything he knows. Would be a waste of time and money. If they have enough evidence without talking to him why bother?
 

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After watching the AFL story last night, the comment that intrigued me was: that Alex D (AFL CEO) was currently in New York with McGuire (Collingwood Pres) and, I think, the presidents of Western Bulldogs and St Kilda. None of the panel seemed interested as to why.

I thought WTF, what is this really all about - so late in the season and on the supposed verge of the release of AFL/ASADA report. Maybe, there might be more to this then four middle aged blokes going on a holiday together.

Any ideas? Future planning for the AFL without the bombers, maybe.

Those blokes are on a junket to visit the NFL.

They're examining how the NFL goes about equalisation through revenue sharing which is another issue that is of importance in the AFL with the bigger and richer clubs getting bigger and richer, and the smaller and poorer growing slower but getting poorer. The NFL socialist model is the renowned template for all sports now. All 32 teams in the NFL made the Forbes top 50 most valuable sports franchises in the world, and their equalisation and revenue sharing policies is what got them all in there. Through collaboration, they've made the collective stronger and share the spoils.

Junket had been booked for a while apparently and if they don't go now, the NFL probably wouldn't entertain them again. The NFL season begins soon. And afterall, in the grand scheme (in comparison to the NFL anyway) the AFL is very small fry in terms of world sporting leagues. The meeting is all for benefit of the AFL.
 
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