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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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He has a point, but he isn't talking about a bottle clearly marked "not for human consumption" as appears to have been alleged by Gordon.

I suspect that ASADA would have to prove what was in a clear, unmarked vial before they used it in evidence because it could be anything, but I suggest that burden of proof might be reversed in the Gordon instance when there is clear evidence of what was in said bottles, so the Sharks would probably have to provide satisfactory evidence that the contents weren't as marked, particularly when there is potentially other corroborative evidence available, albeit some of it circumstantial.
 

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He has a point, but he isn't talking about a bottle clearly marked "not for human consumption" as appears to have been alleged by Gordon.

how do you know?

what he claims to have been given has not been approved for human use

that's why it's banned

I suspect that ASADA would have to prove what was in a clear, unmarked vial before they used it in evidence because it could be anything, but I suggest that burden of proof might be reversed in the Gordon instance when there is clear evidence of what was in said bottles, so the Sharks would probably have to provide satisfactory evidence that the contents weren't as marked, particularly when there is potentially other corroborative evidence available, albeit some of it circumstantial.

how do you know the vial was clear and unmarked?

i strongly disagree with what you're saying about Gordon

if the picture was proof enough then infractions would have been handed out

there was also this story from months ago http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...only-tag-a-simple-mistake-20130403-2h75y.html

Equine-use-only tag a simple mistake

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April 4, 2013

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

A substance marked ''for equine use only'' allegedly provided to Cronulla players by sports scientist Stephen Dank is the same product regularly used by bodybuilders and other athletes.

Sharks officials have taken a photograph of a product that they will consider using as part of their legal defence after Dank initiated defamation action against the club and former chairman Damian Irvine.

In a newspaper interview, Irvine said Dank injected players with ''equine substances''. The fallout ultimately cost Irvine the job, although he will stand at this month's board elections.

It is understood the substance in question is gamma oryzanol, a rice-bran extract. A legal supplement, it is often provided to livestock and athletes involved in strength training. It's understood Dank received half a dozen bottles - which retail today for about $100 - from a supplier called Away Australia. When the shipment arrived, five of the six bottles were labelled for human use, although because of a dispatch error, one of the bottles arrived marked ''for equine use only''. All six bottles contained the same substance, or same formulation, and only the labels difffered.

As a food supplement, it does not require Therapeutic Goods Administration scheduling or listing with the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority.

Fairfax Media understands to placate then trainer Trent Elkin, Dank offered to return the bottle labelled ''for equine use only'', even though he assured him it was the same product.

Elkin declined the offer, saying he was happy with the explanation.

It is understood up to half a dozen Cronulla players used the supplement. It was also part of the range of products used by Manly players during Des Hasler's time at that club. On the website of the American supplier, Equiade, it is described as ''Body Builder™ Horse and Dog Supplement'' (pictured) and the benefits are listed as: ''Body Builder is a natural dietary supplement for horses, dogs, humans and livestock animals. Body Builder is one of the most effective dietary supplements used by owners, breeders and trainers of horses and dogs.

''The main ingredient in this product is of pharmaceutical grade, meaning it is in the purist form. Racehorses and dogs that are on our supplement have healthy coats and are beautifully muscled. Many have tried to duplicate this product with inferior results. This is due to our secret formula, superior ingredients and special process in manufacturing Body Builder. See for yourself and you won't be disappointed in the results. Body Builder comes in 8 oz and 32 oz sizes.''

Dank named other defendants, including the Nine Network and News Ltd, as part of the lawsuit. The matter is listed for mention in the NSW Supreme Court on April 26. While defamation proceedings are capped at $339,000, Dank is also seeking unspecified damages and costs.

A successful legal challenge would cripple cash-strapped Cronulla. The Sharks are the only NRL club without a main backer, while other key sponsorship properties, including naming- rights for their home ground, remain unsold. There is also the prospect of the players taking legal action against the club pending the outcome of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's investigations into doping and the integrity of sport.
 

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how do you know the vial was clear and unmarked?

i strongly disagree with what you're saying about Gordon

if the picture was proof enough then infractions would have been handed out

there was also this story from months ago http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...only-tag-a-simple-mistake-20130403-2h75y.html

I'm not trying to argue anything, however, the bolded quote above is in my opinion very far from the truth. The AFL guy has admitted on television to being injected with banned substances and received no infractions as yet.
 

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ASADA would still have to prove anything he said is true

if other players stories are different that could be hard

Guess Gordon had the least to lose...

I can see a licence being revoked or stipulations put in place, the brand is rooted and the financial burden is going to be a massive strain

Questions of the Sharks viability inevitably arise when there is talk of legal action... But would the NRL let the Sharks die in disgrace like that? The club needs to serve some penance like play for 0 points next season, so when they do redeem themselves it will be a feel good story. Having said that, the club could just fold regardless with legal costs, which no one wants to see. Still premature though to talk like that.
 
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incorrect

he never said that at all

he has never even seen the vial so there's a reason why he never said that

Isn't this tweet that you provided the link to? Clearly states that it was compunded not packaged. I'd never seen the below quote before, just working off your info El D.

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 29 Jun
@worldofBG i wouldn't stand Jobe down because you have to prove what was in the syringe was truly AOD9604. It was compounded not packaged.
 

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Questions for El D.

Do you still believe that this whole saga is an ALP/ASADA conspiracy? Yes/No

If Yes, why?

Do you still believe that ASADA/WADA will take certain supplements off any ban list/s, so AFL players will receive reduced or zero sanctions? Yes/No
 
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Questions for El D.

Do you still believe that this whole saga is an ALP/ASADA conspiracy? Yes/No

If Yes, why?

Do you still believe that ASADA/WADA will take certain supplements off any ban list/s, so AFL players will receive reduced or zero sanctions? Yes/No

You forgot to ask if man really did walk on the moon, and whether it was the CIA that shot JFK, not Lee Harvey Oswald.
 

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Questions for El D.

Do you still believe that this whole saga is an ALP/ASADA conspiracy? Yes/No

If Yes, why?

Do you still believe that ASADA/WADA will take certain supplements off any ban list/s, so AFL players will receive reduced or zero sanctions? Yes/No

the press conference was you gumby
 

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The only lasting impression I get out of all this from a strictly NRL perspective is that the Sharks are a worse rabble then even I thought.

Noyce should be appointed the full time CEO. He is a master at maintaining a boys club mentality
 

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Surely this if true it is case over?

As Noakes was on Monday given his job back after being sacked in March, The Daily Telegraph obtained a copy of his written statement that was provided to the club's independent investigation earlier this year.
In a stunning development, the statement names the substances - GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 - as those players were taking over an 11-week period in 2011. ASADA has since confirmed that both GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 have been banned at all times, because they promote growth hormone production.

So when do we find out about the organised crime bit?
 
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