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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation

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Canard

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Like others have said it will be come apparent soon if those implicated don't announce anything, due to those who aren't announcing there position.

There's all sorts of legal issues to wade through however, surely?
 

applesauce

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LOL!

So the Prime Minister is urging clubs to fess up...but clubs haven't been told who they are...so they're just hoping they'll all come clean?

Are you incapable of reading?

The NRL and ACC are working on the framework to inform clubs over the next 24-48hrs, once they are informed then they can come forward. But no club has been notified as of yet. :roll:

The PM is talking about AFL clubs because they have been informed by the AFL. The PM doesn't give a shit about the NRL.
 
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Are you incapable of reading?

The NRL and ACC are working on the framework to inform clubs over the next 24-48hrs, once they are informed then they can come forward. But no club has been notified as of yet. :roll:

Obviously I am.

So I'm getting it right: the NRL will eventually tell the clubs they have a problem. It's then up to the club(s) to come out and say they have a problem?

And that any assurances any club has made thus far aren't worth the release they're written on?
 
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Seems that way.

And if so it's a terrible idea. I hope they are privately telling the clubs to admit they are one of the ones implicated. If they leave it up to clubs and some don't say anything it will make it even worse when it comes out, which it will. Hopefully all the clubs not implicated will announce that they are not, which could force the hand of those who are.
 

WireMan

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Obviously I am.

So I'm getting it right: the NRL will eventually tell the clubs they have a problem. It's then up to the club(s) to come out and say they have a problem?

And that any assurances any club has made thus far aren't worth the release they're written on?

i find it very hard to believe the clubs in trouble won't know about it.

However there will be a lot of talking about how to handle this, and it is a lot easier just to say clubs don't know, so stop asking them.

The clubs will be putting out comments either officially or otherwise saying everything is alright. Its what you do in these circumstances.


If the cycling taught us anything, its once the first people get in trouble for this, more follow.

There will be a lot of damage limitation discussions going on and could easily be a reason why names are not being mentioned. That and the amount of investigations going on behind the scenes, especially the legal ones of match fixing and organised crime.
 

Canard

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It would be funny, if a club came out and confessed and they weren't one of the six listed.

I would say that this will start to happen if it drags on (after clubs who "are" are told).

Im guessing it wont come to that though, clubs involved will likely be "prompted" by the ARLC to say something.
 

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Are you incapable of reading?

The NRL and ACC are working on the framework to inform clubs over the next 24-48hrs, once they are informed then they can come forward. But no club has been notified as of yet. :roll:

The PM is talking about AFL clubs because they have been informed by the AFL. The PM doesn't give a shit about the NRL.


That last paragraph is just an assumption. The PM made no such distinction in this quote:

"Fans are very anxious to know what the circumstances of their own club are,? Ms Gillard said in New Zealand.?So I would say to clubs, please come clean. Make sure your tell your fans what is going on.
?For clubs which have got absolutely nothing to hide then it will come as a great relief to fans to know that,? Ms Gillard said.
?For clubs that have had problems it is better off to step forward and be very clear about them.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...lard-tells-clubs/story-e6frg7mf-1226574684378





Yet her own minister tells us that the clubs don't even know yet. Just the administration of the two codes.
 

WireMan

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It would be funny, if a club came out and confessed and they weren't one of the six listed.

It would be.

Or clubs really stuck the knife in by saying something like "We had a problem player but we got rid of him in the summer and plays for a different NRL team who have no problems with it". That would get people talking!


I just think the clubs are all sticking together at the mo. After all what effects one, effects them all.
 

Cammo

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I still don't see why the media has stated that this is such a shocking revelation. Performance enhancing drugs have been abused in all sports almost forever.

If anyone really believed that Australian sports and athletes were cleanskins then they were horribly naive.

The majority of players may be innocent but there will always be an element of drugs in sport that not even this investigation will eliminate. It is a shame, but it is the world we live in
 

Parra

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I still don't see why the media has stated that this is such a shocking revelation. Performance enhancing drugs have been abused in all sports almost forever.

If anyone really believed that Australian sports and athletes were cleanskins then they were horribly naive.

The majority of players may be innocent but there will always be an element of drugs in sport that not even this investigation will eliminate. It is a shame, but it is the world we live in


Match fixing is a big deal. These allegations should not be made lightly.
 

Cammo

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Match fixing is a big deal. These allegations should not be made lightly.

Agree it is a big deal, and I am not saying it is ok

My statement were more around how the media are treating it as some shocking revelation when it really shouldn't be. People surely would know that this stuff was going on and has been since the dawn of sport
 
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Interesting http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/seven-clubs-vulnerable-on-drugs-20130210-2e6oe.html

AT LEAST seven AFL clubs were named in a confidential briefing to competition chiefs by the Australian Crime Commission as being vulnerable to illicit drugs.
While the AFL moved on Sunday to play down its links with performance enhancing substances, all 18 clubs have been summoned to individual briefings at head office over the coming weeks to hear about any problems at their club.

Gillon McLachlan. Photo: Paul Rovere
AFL deputy CEO Gillon McLachlan confirmed on Sunday that Essendon was being investigated for having doped multiple players ''without their knowledge or their consent''.
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Another AFL player at another club was also strongly suspected of having used performance enhancing drugs.
Although the federal government has moved to waive confidentiality contracts signed by AFL and NRL chiefs in urging clubs to come forward, this second AFL club reportedly remained unaware of its involvement.
McLachlan said that in its briefings with the ACC, the AFL had received no suggestion it was being investigated for match fixing, an issue being faced by the NRL.
At least seven and as many as nine AFL clubs have been found by the ACC to be vulnerable to illicit drug activity and therefore vulnerable to organised crime activity.
One of those clubs is Collingwood, whose chief, Gary Pert, alerted the competition to a ''volcanic'' drug problem in the game late last year.
Apart from Essendon, every other AFL club was contacted by Fairfax Media on Sunday and confirmed they had been instructed to attend individual meetings with the AFL in coming weeks, but none has been informed about a player being investigated for drug cheating.
It is understood the club involved will be informed by the ACC or the ASADA as early as Monday.
Three AFL figures - CEO Andrew Demetriou, McLachlan and league investigator Brett Clothier - know the identity of the club but not the player.
The Essendon players were told by club president David Evans in recent days that the club was attempting to clarify the full nature of their medical and sport-science treatment during the 2012 season. It is understood that players on the 2012 list but now playing at other clubs have not all been contacted by the Bombers.
All players suspected of having been treated with potentially illegal substances will be represented separately by a Queen's counsel employed by the AFL Players Association.
Evans was unavailable for comment on Sunday but spent Friday in Canberra in talks with ASADA. The agency has not interviewed any Essendon players.
On Sunday Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Justice Minister Jason Clare called for clubs to ''come clean'' on whether their players had been using drugs.
Mr Clare said clubs should confess any involvement to prevent the scandal growing, to ''put the frighteners'' on criminals who might be involved and to force players, or those who know of involved players, to admit their behaviour.
Ms Gillard, speaking in New Zealand, said she believed football fans were anxious to know what had been happening inside their clubs and wanted to get to the bottom of the scandal.
''So I would say to clubs, 'Please come clean. Make sure that you tell your fans what is going on.' ''For clubs that have got absolutely nothing to hide, then it will come as a great relief to fans to know that. For clubs that have had problems, then it's better to step forward and be very clear about them.''
Meanwhile, peptide sellers, including the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic in Sydney, part-owned by former Essendon team scientist Stephen Dank, have removed products from sale and pulled down websites.
And the Therapeutic Goods Administration has moved to close a loophole by banning the sale of peptides without a prescription.
With TONY WRIGHT and RACHEL OLDING


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...le-on-drugs-20130210-2e6oe.html#ixzz2KXaQVBJx
 
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It would be brilliant if it turns out there are more VFL clubs implicated and the VFL lied when it said only one player outside Essington was involved.
 
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