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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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Ronnie Dobbs

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I hope not one RL player gets a show cause.

As for the AFL - EAD.

You might be bigger than the local fuzz, but you're only small fish in the overall context of things.

Karma.
 
Kenny Powers

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If Essendon mount a legal challenge against the ASADA investigation it is pretty much saying that the players can't prove they are innocent parties but we reckon ASADA broke the law getting to the truth.
ASADA aren't going to pussyfoot around they will go for the jugular now the time for discounted sentences has passed. ASADA put their evidence in front of a former supreme court judge who agreed that they had more than enough, Essendon are rooted.
Look at the history of show cause notices worldwide with WADA, they don't hand them out for fun, nobody gets off.
 
El Diablo

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it is amazing that Essondon appear to be tryng to get off on a technicality and not that they're innocent
 
Ronnie Dobbs

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Kenny Powers said:
If Essendon mount a legal challenge against the ASADA investigation it is pretty much saying that the players can't prove they are innocent parties but we reckon ASADA broke the law getting to the truth.
ASADA aren't going to pussyfoot around they will go for the jugular now the time for discounted sentences has passed. ASADA put their evidence in front of a former supreme court judge who agreed that they had more than enough, Essendon are rooted.
Look at the history of show cause notices worldwide with WADA, they don't hand them out for fun, nobody gets off.
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Yep.

The real fun starts when the players sue the club and the club has to fold as it is bankrupt.

Thats the danger for the Sharks and has been all along. Wouldnt take much to put the Sharkies under.
 
carcharias

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Kenny Powers said:
If Essendon mount a legal challenge against the ASADA investigation it is pretty much saying that the players can't prove they are innocent parties but we reckon ASADA broke the law getting to the truth.
ASADA aren't going to pussyfoot around they will go for the jugular now the time for discounted sentences has passed. ASADA put their evidence in front of a former supreme court judge who agreed that they had more than enough, Essendon are rooted.
Look at the history of show cause notices worldwide with WADA, they don't hand them out for fun, nobody gets off.
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From what that Ben McDevit bloke said this morning it doesn't sound like ASADA do that at all.

They just pass on their findings to someone else. AFL and NRL from what I can gather.
He even mentioned the players can get a 50% reduction even now if they dob themselves in.

If what I saw this morning is the best they can put in front of a camera they will get hammered in a court .
If a bloody ch 9 tv host can destroy him, imagine what a lawyer would do.
 
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at first i thought that the joint investigation was the afl's idea to try and clear essendon. but now i think they might have unintentionally helped them out if all that evidence is found to be inadmissible. nice and convenient during the world cup too, not that they pause to watch that. bet cronulla gets theirs during the nrl finals.
 
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It may be a blight on the game but I believe this is the path Essendon intend to go down.

I wonder if the federal government will put pressure re the funding of the AFL to stop such court cases. I think the players unknowingly took a banned substance but that is no excuse as every athlete would use that excuse. I think the players will end up with a ban of between 6-12 months in both codes
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Do the players get to keep playing while their court challenges are on? If they remain banned throughout the process then they might not bother with it as any challenge would probably take up most of the ban time to fight anyway.
 
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El Diablo said:
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ASADA boss Ben McDevitt has just told CH7 that he was NOT preparing show cause notices for Cronulla players. 1/2

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"The NRL circumstances are entirely different to what we are dealing with in the AFL and I really can't go any further at this stage". 2/2
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Is that good news or bad news?

i.e. they dont have anything to charge them with yet, or does it mean they are going straight to infraction notices (can they do that?)
 
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I'm not sure how ASADA could determine guilt beyond any doubt without interviewing Stephen Dank. They'll probably get to that some time in the next decade.
 
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Canard said:
Is that good news or bad news?

i.e. they dont have anything to charge them with yet, or does it mean they are going straight to infraction notices (can they do that?)
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They have to give show cause notices before an infraction can be given

I would say its Essendons is a lot more clear cut and evidence exists to prove the allegations whilst they don't have that against Cronulla yet and as they only have 1 shot at it they wont go ahead until they are sure they wont get off
 
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Confirmed that Essendon has lodged an application with the Federal Court challenging the lawfulness of the architecture of the investigation. No source, just watched the chairman's press conference on ABC news.

Interesting point was the chairman acknowledge they had concerns with the joint investigation from early days but co-operated in any case. Seems almost...duplicitous.
 
El Diablo

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this will be a farce if the AFL mob get off on a technicality and the NRL players get done because they let ASADA do their thing without interfering
 
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The ABC is reporting Essendon will be seeking an injunction from ASADA conducting further investigations. I watched the press conference and I do not recall that being mentioned, or anything even hinting at that. Rather, the chairman stated Essendon was seeking a declaration the investigation was unlawful and the granting of a permanent injunction against the use of the evidence gathered under the auspices of the investigation.

Should Essendon successfully argue the investigation was unlawful, I don't know whether there are grounds for it to restrain ASADA from launching a fresh investigation. I'd imagine ASADA would not want to let it go just based on the fact its initial investigation was defective and ultra vires. It would be an appalling loss of face and represent a fairly dramatic failing of its role.

I wonder if this issue was considered by the Downes - you'd think it's not something he would just let go through to the keeper.
 
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