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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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One of the AFL commentators said during the half time break last night that there have been a number of precedents where ASADA has had a joint investigation with sporting bodies.

Without knowing the legalities of Littles claim, I can't see how a joint investigation would cause any issues. The sport signs up to the ASADA/WADA code, and is funded accordingly. ASADAs findings are given to the AFL to hand out the penalties/suspensions, so I makes 100% sense that they would be involved somewhat in the process. If anything the only risk is that the sporting body corrupts the process so that the clubs/players get off, not the other other way around.

I can't take Little seriously when he spends the majority of his press conference banging on about how the protracted investigation is bad for player welfare. What about the thousands of needles filled with unknown substances that you injected into your players Paul? Isn't that worse for player welfare?
 

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Essendon not making friends anywhere

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/rivals-urge-essendon-to-accept-penalties-20140616-zs9z2.html

Rivals urge Essendon to accept penalties

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June 16, 2014 - 8:35PM

Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age

AFL club presidents have expressed serious disenchantment with Essendon and its chairman Paul Little, increasingly enraged that Little’s latest round of legal manoeuvring is holding the game to ransom.

Fairfax Media understands that rival clubs are considering bringing forward a crisis meeting of all 18 clubs in a bid to bring some closure to the drugs saga.

The next scheduled meeting of club presidents is not until the end of September, but several clubs have contacted AFL chiefs in recent days urging the league to stand up to the Bombers’ litigious chairman.

West Coast chairman Alan Cransberg echoed the private and public thoughts of 10 club bosses contacted on Monday when he said: “I just think it’s a bloody pity that we’re going to have at least another 18 months of this circus. At some stage you’ve got to take your right whack.”

While Little on Sunday expressed appreciation at support from the AFL community, that view was not reciprocated from the majority of clubs.

Geelong boss Colin Carter said: “When Paul Little says he has the support of the AFL community, he shouldn’t assume he’s talking about us.

“This is going to have a damaging effect on the reputation of the competition and every time the AFL pays a legal bill every one of us is paying one-eighteenth of that amount.”

In his first public statement on Essendon for some months, AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said he was extremely disappointed that the drugs scandal continued to unfold without resolution.

He also made some pointed remarks about key individuals penalised as a result of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation.

Port Adelaide’s David Koch warned the Australian sporting community and the international sporting community were closely watching the AFL’s handling of the drug allegations levelled against Essendon.

‘‘I want them to see that we are absolutely true to our values and that we are prepared to stand by the values which supposedly define us,’’ Koch said.

“We cannot fight this on technicalities; we’ve got to fight this on facts. Especially when we pride ourselves on being absolutely relentless in ensuring that our sport is clean. It doesn’t matter who individuals are or their reputations in our code – they have to be dealt with correctly.”

While several clubs were reluctant to expand publicly on Essendon’s legal strategy against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the mounting disgust against the Bombers was clear, with no club contacted on Monday prepared to defend Little.

The Essendon chairman is understood to have launched the legal challenge against ASADA and its joint investigation into Essendon with the AFL without fully consulting his board. He told 3AW on Friday his club was unlikely to co-operate with a second ASADA inquiry, if that eventuated.

Hawthorn president Andrew Newbold, who reportedly strongly challenged Little when the 17 clubs called Essendon to account last August, and whose coach Alastair Clarkson aired his disappointment at the game being hijacked last year, said on Monday: “I think our view from a Hawthorn point of view and an industry point of view is well known. You don’t need me to say how it’s affecting the game. It’s obvious.”

Cransberg stressed his “great sympathy” towards the Essendon players who faced lengthy bans from the game.

“Normally I would say you’ve got to be responsible for your own actions and maybe they should have, but I think as leaders and governors of clubs we are responsible,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s hard I know to comment from the outside, but I think I know enough and I’ve been to enough meetings to know that this is maybe the time to put this whole issue behind us and let the game heal.”

Koch, recalling widespread criticism he received for declaring James Hird would never coach again, said on Monday: “I stick by that. This is a very, very serious charge and you’d expect all the authorities to go through a process that is very exacting. It’s all about the facts, and if the facts are that a banned substance has been used, then our sport has been tarnished with drug cheating.

“Let’s not kid ourselves, we have sympathy if there was deception and a breakdown in a club’s duty of care, but if there is evidence then we have to face the fact that this is drug cheating. I go back to the Ziggy Switkowski statement, and that was terribly disturbing.”

Adelaide chairman Rob Chapman, whose club takes on the Bombers on Saturday week, said he looked forward to discussing the issue first hand with Little.

“I know what it’s like to be under scrutiny, and we still get that here,’’ he said. ‘‘But this does have to end sooner rather than later. It’s distracting for everybody because it’s taking the focus from what is shaping up as a great season.”

Greater Western Sydney chairman Tony Shepherd said of the Essendon scandal: “I think it is debilitating ... The sooner this is fixed the better for the whole competition. The other 17 clubs have always put the AFL first, supporting the game in what it is trying to do.”

Carter echoed Fitzpatrick’s position in supporting Essendon’s right to take ASADA to the Federal Court. But in a pointed remark, Carter said: “You can’t deny them that right regardless of the ethics involved.”
 

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I liked Little's complaint that the infraction notices were sent two days before a game against perennial losers, Melbourne, as it disturbed the players preparation.

What did he expect ffs?

These blokes are adults involved in a serious legal case.

Apparently AFL players from Essendon should be treated differently to the rest of society as they have a 'big game on Saturday'!
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ays-chairman-damian-keogh-20140616-zs9kt.html

ASADA investigation has cost Cronulla Sharks $4m, says chairman Damian Keogh

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June 16, 2014 - 8:00PM

Chris Barrett
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Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh estimates the financial toll of the 17-month doping investigation centred on the Sharks has reached $4 million.

Anxiety has heightened further among players, staff and officials at the struggling NRL team since the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority issued show-cause notices to 34 past and present players from AFL club Essendon last week.

Financially, the consequences of the lengthy inquiry have affected players as well as the club.

At least one on-the-market Cronulla player is understood to be frustrated that other teams will not engage in contract talks with him or his management because of the ongoing saga despite his claim he was not involved when NRL squad members were allegedly given injections, creams and tablets during their controversial 11-week supplements program in 2011.

The ramifications for the club of the ASADA probe are staggering – a $1 million fine dished out by the NRL, legal costs and other lost revenue including the Sharks' failure to land a major front-of-jersey sponsor.

"I would say at this stage we would account with NRL fines and legal costs and other associated costs, our direct costs are now over $2 million," Keogh said.

"Indirect costs, which would be sponsorships and other kinds of revenue, would probably match that. So direct and indirect costs are probably up around $4 million now."

The Sharks say they will not follow Essendon's lead to the Federal Court despite what Keogh described as an "incredibly unfair" process" but they are also facing possible legal action against them by three former players – Isaac Gordon, Josh Cordoba and Broderick Wright.

Despite the financial strain, Keogh insists the ASADA scandal has not left them on the ropes. Their lifeline is the Woolooware Bay residential and retail project on a 10-hectare site adjacent to Remondis Stadium, a property development that recorded sales of $100 million on its first day on the market in February and will ultimately contain 600 apartments.

After a positive cash flow $216,374 last year, Keogh said he expected Cronulla to record a similar result this financial year despite their woes on the field.

"It's not going to cripple the club, it's just not helping us move forward at the pace we'd like to be moving forward," Keogh said of the $4m ASADA-related bill.

"People keep saying 'poor old Cronulla' but we've got a development project that's advancing at the moment that's going to realise $40m plus for the club over the next two to probably six years. We actually feel financially that we get through this season and the next season we're going to be in pretty good shape.

"We'll have a record level of sponsorship in the club this year but we won't have a major sponsor on the front of our jumper. We've held a price on that and that kind of price is in the upper $800,000-odd to $1 million. The kind of companies with the money to spend on that have probably been scared away by the ASADA stuff."

Cronulla's efforts to organise a sitdown with the agency over the progress of their investigation proved unsuccessful.

"We tried to set up a meeting with ASADA through (Immigration Minister) Scott Morrison, our local member down in Cronulla. That hasn't been forthcoming so that's frustrating as well," Keogh said. "But I don't want to hold ASADA in the gun, too, because I think they've been dealt a deck that I'm sure they've known how to play."
 

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I liked Little's complaint that the infraction notices were sent two days before a game against perennial losers, Melbourne, as it disturbed the players preparation.

What did he expect ffs?

These blokes are adults involved in a serious legal case.

Apparently AFL players from Essendon should be treated differently to the rest of society as they have a 'big game on Saturday'!

i can only imagine what WADA think of him
 

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Seriously, if ASADA throw the NRL under the bus by releasing this on Origin eve, they will piss any credibility they have into the wind. It will come across as nothing but obnoxious showboating.

For the first time in this whole saga, ASADA clearly indicated a timeframe for the show cause notices in the AFL (weeks not months) and conversely have said that the NRL is a while off, so I reckon the angst about this is unwarranted.

On a separate note however, an organisation like that certainly shouldn't be timing its process to suit ANY sporting organisation's agenda.

If anything that would be a corruption of process.
 

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On foxsports today (link: http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/state-of-origin/cronulla-sharks-captain-paul-gallen-says-asada-scandal-prevented-he-and-his-wife-from-having-another-baby/story-fn31yxah-1226956548880) Gallen has blamed ASADA for him not being able to have any more kids?

How has him potentially being a drug cheat affected his wife from having another baby?
If he is not guilty then he shouldn’t fear losing his income and job, he should be fine to have another baby, sounds like another sook from king Sook.
 

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On foxsports today (link: http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/state-of-origin/cronulla-sharks-captain-paul-gallen-says-asada-scandal-prevented-he-and-his-wife-from-having-another-baby/story-fn31yxah-1226956548880) Gallen has blamed ASADA for him not being able to have any more kids?

How has him potentially being a drug cheat affected his wife from having another baby?
If he is not guilty then he shouldn?t fear losing his income and job, he should be fine to have another baby, sounds like another sook from king Sook.
His wife miscarried through stress I heard.

so well done dickhead.

with any luck he will take it out on Hodges on Wednesday.
 

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His wife miscarried through stress I heard.

so well done dickhead.

with any luck he will take it out on Hodges on Wednesday.

If she did miscarry then i am sorry to hear that for them, but to soley blame that on ASADA is a bit of a stretch, This would have only been one of a few things that added to her stress levels.
 

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If she did miscarry then i am sorry to hear that for them, but to soley blame that on ASADA is a bit of a stretch, This would have only been one of a few things that added to her stress levels.

How the Fugg do you know what her stress levels were? Or what contributed to them?
 

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If she did miscarry then i am sorry to hear that for them, but to soley blame that on ASADA is a bit of a stretch, This would have only been one of a few things that added to her stress levels.

1) As if you have any idea
2) I was commenting on how wrong the other dopey f**ker is.
He was assuming they can't have kids because of the Asada investigation.
 
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If she did miscarry then i am sorry to hear that for them, but to soley blame that on ASADA is a bit of a stretch, This would have only been one of a few things that added to her stress levels.

Maybe this is a good indication of just how stressful it is.

Seems like it takes a king sook to know 1.
 

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I suggest this whole topic of conversation is beyond the pale and should be removed from this thread.
 

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