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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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mongoose

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this will be a farce if the AFL mob get off on a technicality and the NRL players get done because they let ASADA do their thing without interfering

the AFL and ASADA would look like the two most corrupt organisations in the country. The AFL doesn't care, they have no one to answer to but their brainwashed fans. ASADA has to answer to someone though, surely
 

El Diablo

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The ABC is reporting Essendon will be seeking an injunction from ASADA conducting further investigations. I watched the press conference and I do not recall that being mentioned, or anything even hinting at that. Rather, the chairman stated Essendon was seeking a declaration the investigation was unlawful and the granting of a permanent injunction against the use of the evidence gathered under the auspices of the investigation.

Should Essendon successfully argue the investigation was unlawful, I don't know whether there are grounds for it to restrain ASADA from launching a fresh investigation. I'd imagine ASADA would not want to let it go just based on the fact its initial investigation was defective and ultra vires. It would be an appalling loss of face and represent a fairly dramatic failing of its role.

I wonder if this issue was considered by the Downes - you'd think it's not something he would just let go through to the keeper.

i doubt WADA will want to see them get off using this defence

they are fighting a losing battle and making themselves look like fools in the process

if they thought the joint investigation was unlawful then why paticipate in it and only kick up a stink when players are handed show cause notices?

they are the laughing stock of Australian sport
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ssendonstyle-legal-action-20140613-zs7bi.html

ASADA inquiry: Cronulla Sharks rule out Essendon-style legal action

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June 13, 2014 - 6:24PM

Chris Barrett and Brad Walter

Cronulla have ruled out legal action should current and former Sharks players be issued with show-cause notices by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, saying they are desperate not to prolong a 17-month saga.

While Essendon reacted on Friday to having 34 players asked to explain possible doping allegations, by challenging ASADA and the AFL in the Federal Court, the NRL's last-placed team revealed it would not go down that route.

The NRL is also anxiously awaiting the prospect of show-cause notices being delivered to players, despite confusion over comments made by ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt on Friday.

Asked in a television interview whether he was preparing notices for players involved in Cronulla's 2011 supplements programme, McDevitt said: "No, I'm not. And what I need to say here is that the NRL circumstances here are entirely different than what we are dealing with in the AFL and I really can't go any further than that at this stage."

A representative for ASADA later added: "Matters involving the NRL remain ongoing, so we are not at a point to elaborate on what action we will take in the NRL."

The Bombers lodged an application in the Federal Court on Friday alleging that ASADA’s joint investigation with the AFL was "unlawful" and a breach of the ASADA Act.

NRL representatives also sat in on interviews with more than 30 players by ASADA investigators. However, Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh said the Sharks would not follow Essendon into court.

"There has been no discussion at a board or management level relating to that at this stage," Keogh said. "As much as it's been frustrating and disappointing, and I think the punishment that we've suffered as a club and continue to suffer has been exorbitant, I would just like the whole thing to go away and come to a conclusion as soon as possible. So dragging out another court case on top of that is not going to achieve that.

"I think the convenient thing to do is to lump the two [Essendon and Cronulla] together and a lot of people have kind of done that. There's a lot of assumptions that what's good for the goose is going to be good for the gander. But we've maintained from day one that what happened at our club was markedly different from what happened at their club.

"To be honest, right now with everything we've been through in this saga, that's the last thing that we're looking at. We just need this whole saga to be finished so we can move on and get a fresh start. One way or another."

NRL chief operating officer Jim Doyle admitted the code was bracing for show-cause notices to be issued to players but said the long-running inquiry would drag on for some more time – even without court action.

Once players' names are listed on ASADA's register of findings, they then have the option of challenging the charge through the Administrative Appeals Tribunal – as former Canberra and Penrith winger Sandor Earl did this week.

Doyle dismissed concerns that the timing of show-cause notices to players could tarnish State of Origin.

"Timing is not something we can concern ourselves with, it is how we deal with it when we get the information that we will most likely receive," he said at the launch of the NRL's "Better Choices” program, which teaches teenagers about the pitfalls of alcohol, illicit drugs, the filming and distribution of private acts without consent, social media and cyber-bullying.

"It would appear from what they did yesterday with the AFL that everything is coming to a head, which is positive. [But] that is only a step towards the end, and this could go on for some time, depending upon information, process, appeals, tribunals etc."

Earl, who is facing a ban of up to four years for the use and trafficking of banned substances, responded to the latest developments by tweeting: "I officially regret assisting in the process with ASADA and the NRL. Should of just shut up after reading all the news today wow. Fairness?".

But Doyle said the NRL had no option other than to stand Earl down once he admitted injecting the banned peptide CJC-1295 to treat a shoulder injury, and questioned whether players should receive a discount of up to 75 per cent for providing "substantial assistance" to ASADA.

"There should not really be any benefit for anyone who takes performance-enhancing drugs, there is no place for it whatsoever in our sport and they should not be taking it from the start, so to me there should be no benefit," he said.
 

Diesel

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Essendon look like real dopes challenging this on a technicality, they cheated, they admitted to cheating yet they'll challenge it on a technicality. If the pro-AFL media and the Australian media don't report what a mess this is then something is seriously wrong with the free ride this sport gets
 

CC_Roosters

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Essendon look like real dopes challenging this on a technicality, they cheated, they admitted to cheating yet they'll challenge it on a technicality. If the pro-AFL media and the Australian media don't report what a mess this is then something is seriously wrong with the free ride this sport gets

The tone i have picked up so far on sky news and fox sports is that they are martyrs. I hope they flounder and get bitten hard by ASADA for their arrogance and trying to play the system
 

insert.pause

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Essendon look like real dopes challenging this on a technicality, they cheated, they admitted to cheating yet they'll challenge it on a technicality. If the pro-AFL media and the Australian media don't report what a mess this is then something is seriously wrong with the free ride this sport gets

I wouldn't have much faith in the media, they openly praised and lauded the fact that the AFL was jointly investigating themselves while anyone with half a brain could see the obvious conflict and the fact that they didn't have the statutory authority to do so. It was the sheer arrogance and extreme hubris of the AFL that lead them to believe they knew better than the statutory authority, and it's the passive media that have allowed that hubris to grow. Dave Smith was smart enough to recognise that it was a serious matter outside the purview of the NRL and not something that could be rushed and managed into a scripted outcome.
 

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/as...ourt-application/story-fnelctok-1226953737562

ASADA chief Ben McDevitt unafraid of long, messy court battle after Essendon lodges Federal Court application

2 hours ago June 13, 2014 7:18PM

ASADA boss Ben McDevitt says he is unafraid of a long and messy court battle, adamant Essendon players must eventually answer drug charges.

The new anti-doping chief executive launched a controversial PR offensive on Friday, urging Essendon players to help ASADA’s drug probe.

He used the carrot of six-month bans as he implored Essendon players to cooperate, saying they could access multiple discounts if they plead guilty.

McDevitt says he is ready for Federal Court action and further appeals, determined to do whatever it takes to resolve the case.

He said no Essendon player or lawyer complained about the joint ASADA-AFL inquiry during interviews, questioning if there were grounds for Federal Court action.

“Clubs do have huge legal capabilities behind them but I have got to do this without fear or favour and I am not about to baulk because of the potential cost or duration of any litigation,’’ McDevitt said during a day of TV and radio interviews.

“We believe there is a case to answer and we are going to proceed along those grounds. We have started this and I intend to see this through to a resolution one way or another.”

He said even if the AFL had conducted interviews with players the transcripts would have been forwarded to ASADA as the anti-doping body.

McDevitt said yesterday six-month penalties would be available for Essendon players, but believes they would need to be served during the season.

Essendon is determined to present a united front, but he told players to think long and hard about what was best for them.

“Some commentators say cooperating with ASADA is a dumb thing to do. I can tell you it is the opposite thing to do.”

“Even if they didn’t have the intention to take (the drug), it is strict and absolute. It’s like going through a traffic light — you have done it or you haven’t done it. But they can claim No Significant Fault if it was unwitting. And in addition to that if they give substantial assistance and have participated in interviews and made available documentation and have told the truth, it can result in a reduction of 75 per cent.
 

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The Essendon President had a red hot go at Mcdevitt in his press conference.

It occurred to me he simply believed being a President of a big AFL Club means that Mcdevitt is answerable to him. He complained that Mcdevitt had held a press conference today but had not returned his calls.

The hubris in the AFL is their biggest weakness.

The statement above is a clear indication that bullying ASADA is not going to work.

Essendon will need very big pockets and it will not save them.
 

Perth Red

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Cronulla can't afford to go down that route

Essendon lost $3.2million last year, I'm not sure they have much of a war chest. Cronulla impact won't be as bad given only a handful of players are still there so the impact on them from a playing situation isn't so bad. Now if the current and former players decide to sue for negligence and loss of earnings/reputation damage would be a different matter.
 

eddiesmith

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The ABC is reporting Essendon will be seeking an injunction from ASADA conducting further investigations. I watched the press conference and I do not recall that being mentioned, or anything even hinting at that. Rather, the chairman stated Essendon was seeking a declaration the investigation was unlawful and the granting of a permanent injunction against the use of the evidence gathered under the auspices of the investigation.

Should Essendon successfully argue the investigation was unlawful, I don't know whether there are grounds for it to restrain ASADA from launching a fresh investigation. I'd imagine ASADA would not want to let it go just based on the fact its initial investigation was defective and ultra vires. It would be an appalling loss of face and represent a fairly dramatic failing of its role.

I wonder if this issue was considered by the Downes - you'd think it's not something he would just let go through to the keeper.
They are requesting that all evidence received so far is unable to ever be used, so it would be hard to launch a new investigation without any of their current evidence, wouldn't be anything left?

My favourite part of the Essendon court challenge is they want to clear their players names, so by getting the investigation thrown out on a technicality it is clearing their names???
 

miguel de cervantes

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Granted the above, one can only really interpret this move as the last roll of the dice. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The ultimate conspiracy would have the AFL involving themselves in the joint-investigation only to later claim, with Essendon, that their actions helped ASADA contravene the ASADA Act, making the whole thing null and void. What a devious ploy that would be. Won't work though.
 

NrlCoach

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it going to take ASADA a long time to get the sharks.. Essendon kept consent forms/document that said what players toke. LOL the unprofessional (not keeping document) ways the shark were run at the time might save them.
 

TimmyB

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They are requesting that all evidence received so far is unable to ever be used, so it would be hard to launch a new investigation without any of their current evidence, wouldn't be anything left?

Huh?

They seeking an injunction against the use of all evidence that was gathered by the joint operation of ASADA-AFL. That joint operation was set up in response to Essendon self-reporting back in Feb of last year.

If the injunction is successful, I don't know what is stopping ASADA from going through the process it has gone through in the interceding time period all over again, only without the AFL's involvement.

Suppose you conduct a search of a house without a warrant and confiscate evidence. You realise this can't be used. So you go and get a warrant and you conduct the search properly. I suppose that's the analogy I'm trying to draw.
 
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Huh?

They seeking an injunction against the use of all evidence that was gathered by the joint operation of ASADA-AFL. That joint operation was set up in response to Essendon self-reporting back in Feb of last year.

If the injunction is successful, I don't know what is stopping ASADA from going through the process it has gone through in the interceding time period all over again, only without the AFL's involvement.

Suppose you conduct a search of a house without a warrant and confiscate evidence. You realise this can't be used. So you go and get a warrant and you conduct the search properly. I suppose that's the analogy I'm trying to draw.

A stay of execution if you will.
 

POPEYE

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it going to take ASADA a long time to get the sharks.. Essendon kept consent forms/document that said what players toke. LOL the unprofessional (not keeping document) ways the shark were run at the time might save them.

There's only one NRL club stupid enough to keep documents lying around
 
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