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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

Cletus

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That is a great article. I just cannot understand the logic behind the AFL decision. Everyone thought it was TB4, a chemist and a pharmaceutical manufacturer presumably thought it was, the players signed consent to receiving it and hundreds of injections yet the AFL tribunal came to the conclusion that it wasn't what was administered to the players based on pretty much nothing. It's truly bizarre and if that article is correct and the CAS basically retry the case then I can't see how they can be found not guilty. The decision they've come to is ridiculous.
 

Surrogate

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That is a great article. I just cannot understand the logic behind the AFL decision. Everyone thought it was TB4, a chemist and a pharmaceutical manufacturer presumably thought it was, the players signed consent to receiving it and hundreds of injections yet the AFL tribunal came to the conclusion that it wasn't what was administered to the players based on pretty much nothing. It's truly bizarre and if that article is correct and the CAS basically retry the case then I can't see how they can be found not guilty. The decision they've come to is ridiculous.

Its pretty simple really. The AFL tribunal has a conflict of interest. Unless there's an independant body that can assess cases, it will always remain a kangaroo court, despite the media in Victoria telling us otherwise.
 

miguel de cervantes

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That is a great article. I just cannot understand the logic behind the AFL decision. Everyone thought it was TB4, a chemist and a pharmaceutical manufacturer presumably thought it was, the players signed consent to receiving it and hundreds of injections yet the AFL tribunal came to the conclusion that it wasn't what was administered to the players based on pretty much nothing. It's truly bizarre and if that article is correct and the CAS basically retry the case then I can't see how they can be found not guilty. The decision they've come to is ridiculous.

The players signed a consent form to receive a general name for a number of drugs that included TB4, and based on a balance of probability probably was TB4, but the tribunal are not comfortably satisfied.

It's not a ridiculous decision from the AFL's point of view, of course. It's an optimal decision.

I also think if CAS retrials it there is a very good chance they will find guilty. I'm not sure ASADA will appeal because even if they get the ruling overturned and get the tribunal to accept that the Thymosin drug was TB4, I suspect the AFL and by extension the AFL tribunal have a trick up their sleeve in regards to

"Mr Dank administered TB4 to each Player."

something about not being comfortably satisfied as to which players were administered with the TB4.

"Sure, all 34 players testified to have received injections from Dank, and they believe it was Thymosin as per the consent forms, but we are still not comfortably satisfied that those specific injections contained Thymosin and could have been something else (saline mixture)". A statement along those lines will appear in their judgment on Dank, you can count on it. To accept that the injections given contained the "generic" Thymosin (possibly TB4) drug is far too risky a statement to make.
 
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El Diablo

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The players signed a consent form to receive a general name for a number of drugs that included TB4, and based on a balance of probability probably was TB4, but the tribunal are not comfortably satisfied.

It's not a ridiculous decision from the AFL's point of view, of course. It's an optimal decision.

I also think if CAS retrials it there is a very good chance they will find guilty. I'm not sure ASADA will appeal because even if they get the ruling overturned and get the tribunal to accept that the Thymosin drug was TB4, I suspect the AFL and by extension the AFL tribunal have a trick up their sleeve in regards to

"Mr Dank administered TB4 to each Player."

something about not being comfortably satisfied as to which players were administered with the TB4.

"Sure, all 34 players testified to have received injections from Dank, and they believe it was Thymosin as per the consent forms, but we are still not comfortably satisfied that those specific injections contained Thymosin and could have been something else (saline mixture)". A statement along those lines will appear in their judgment on Dank, you can count on it. To accept that the injections given contained the "generic" Thymosin (possibly TB4) drug is far too risky a statement to make.

according to the Essendon fan who writes for The Aus this is the reason http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...phantom-shipment/story-fnca0u4y-1227290645176

ASADA dope case hinged on ?phantom? shipment

The Australian
April 04, 2015 12:00AM

The Australian Sports Anti-*Doping Authority relied on vague and possibly fabricated evidence about a ?phantom? delivery of peptides in its attempt to prove that a banned drug was used by Essendon footballers.

The claim came from a witness who had not mentioned the shipment in four previous interviews.

The AFL tribunal, which this week cleared 34 current and former Essendon players of doping allegations, expressed ?grave doubts? about the authenticity of documents relied on by ASADA to show a second batch of peptides containing the banned substance Thymosin Beta 4 was shipped to the Melbourne pharmacist at the centre of the doping scandal.

Throughout the entire first year of its investigation, ASADA?s case was that Essendon players were injected with Thymosin Beta 4 contained in a shipment of Chinese peptides received by pharmacist Nima Alavi on December 28, 2011.

ASADA?s case was heavily *reliant on information provided by drug importer Shane Charter and Mr Alavi, who under compulsion from ASADA provided documents and submitted to four interviews with investigators, in November and December 2013.

On April 14 last year, after ASADA?s investigations team had submitted its final report concluding that insufficient evidence had been gathered to prove the case against the Essendon players, investigator Aaron Walker was instructed by ASADA?s senior management to interview Mr Alavi a fifth time.

On this occasion, Mr Alavi told Mr Walker about a second shipment of peptides that had *arrived from China about six weeks after the first. The only *record of the shipment was a handwritten noted entered by Mr Alavi?s lab assistant in the pharmacy diary: ?Thymosin 1g.?

When pressed for details, Mr Alavi produced certificates of analysis and other documents he claimed to have discovered in a storage facility.

The certificates of analysis *secured by ASADA did not reveal the source of the peptides, when they were manufactured or who tested them. They also contained inaccurate molecular weights for the substances they purported to identify. The veracity of the documents was questioned by ASADA?s own expert witness, University of Sydney endocrinologist David Handelsman.

The tribunal, chaired by retired Victorian County Court judge David Jones, concluded the documents could not be trusted. ?The tribunal has grave doubts about the authenticity of the certificates and, in particular, the Thymosin certificate,? the tribunal found.

According to the tribunal?s reasoned judgment handed down this week: ?The ASADA CEO placed considerable reliance on the February certificates.?

Mr Alavi?s belated recollections about a second batch of Thymosin were slammed by the players? lawyers. ?It is submitted that, if anything, the evidence *relating to this delivery is more vague, more imprecise and more generally lacking in documentary corroboration than the first delivery. There is no evidence about its origin, no invoices, email exchanges, international money transfers or claims for reimbursement. It is put that it is a ?phantom? delivery which seemingly appears out of thin air.?

The tribunal was not satisfied that the second shipment *occurred; let alone that it contained Thymosin Beta 4. The tribunal was neither satisfied that the first shipment to Mr Alavi?s pharmacy contained Thymosin Beta 4 nor that the peptides were taken to Windy Hill by Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank.


the author of this is a massive Essendon groupie so i wouldn't believe this was ASADA's only evidence
 

Card Shark

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Big bad Rugby (League) has drug cheats.....but we are pure in the AFL, would never do anything wrong. :sarcasm:
 

El Diablo

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this seems as dodgy as all f**k http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/me...mbers-peace-deal/story-fni0fiyv-1227292301387

Meet the millionaire who struck Bombers peace deal

Carly Crawford
Herald Sun
April 05, 2015 10:00PM

A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE Essendon coterie member has emerged as the fixer who brokered a peace deal between the Bombers and a key ASADA witness.

Property developer Mario Salvo, a long-time friend of witness Shane Charter, arranged crucial talks between the biochemist and senior club figures as the AFL tribunal hearing approached.

Charter then turned on ASADA, even briefing Essendon lawyers about what he knew of the ASADA case and adding new material to his version of events.

ASADA ultimately failed to convince an AFL tribunal that 34 current and former Bombers had used a banned drug, in part due to problems with witnesses including Charter.

“I facilitated a meeting between the barristers and (Bombers chief executive) Xavier Campbell and Shane Charter,” Salvo told the Herald Sun.

He said he did so after hearing people disparage Charter, who he has known for years.

“If I hear there’s misinformation and I can put the parties together and by talking the truth comes out, you feel good,” Salvo said.

“Essendon wanted to do everything by the book and they wanted to have the lawyers present.”

Salvo was surprised when he learned that Charter, who emerged as a witness for ASADA early in their two-year probe, and the Bombers had not spoken since the saga began.

“It was the right thing to do because no one had spoken to him (Charter),” Salvo said.

Charter was important to the ASADA case because his material suggested he had ordered Thymosin beta 4 from China for the Bombers. ASADA had alleged this was the drug Dank had given players.

Charter had maintained his version of events until around November, when he began claiming to have found new evidence in his Shanghai office and raising other possible scenarios.

Submissions to the tribunal suggested a number of problems with Charter’s evidence, including contradictions between the claims he had made to ASADA investigators and later to one of the players’ lawyers, Tony Hargreaves.

Charter also refused to swear a statement or appear in person, saying he thought his evidence would be misrepresented.

The judges heavily criticised Charter’s credibility and while they conceded it was possible the drugs given to players had been TB4, they decided they were not “comfortably satisfied” that it was.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt said the behaviour of witnesses including Charter had not helped their case.

“We all like to have credible witnesses who play a part in actually committing to the version of events, either on tape or a record of conversation and to signing up to that and to maintaining that throughout the course of events,” he said at a press conference last week.

“We obviously haven’t seen that in this case.”

Charter and Salvo, an Essendon member for 15 years, have known each other for years.

even dodgier seeing Mick Gatto was shopping him around http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...130030661?nk=16fe1c8dc0b331b2ba0a168172a222a6

Mick Gatto says he was enlisted to spruik Shane Charter’s untold story to media

Stephen Drill, Grant Baker and Carly Crawford
Herald Sun
November 20, 2014 10:00PM

UNDERWORLD figure Mick Gatto says he was enlisted by the key witness in ASADA’s case against Essendon players to help sell information that could clear the Bombers of anti-doping charges.

Gatto claimed he offered biochemist Shane Charter’s untold story to media, including 60 Minutes, for up to $400,000, but that there had been “no interest”.

The club had also been approached about whether it would be interested in the apparently favourable evidence, Gatto said.

Doping hearings against 34 current and former Bombers could be pushed back to January as a dispute brews over how much of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority’s evidence they should be provided with. A tribunal start date of December 15 has been tentatively set.

Gatto told the Herald Sun yesterday that Charter had asked for his help to sell his story, and that the biochemist was also shopping new evidence to the Bombers.

Asked if Charter wanted cash from Essendon for the evidence, Gatto said: “He wanted to be paid for it.”

Gatto said he would have taken a cut of any deal: “That was the reason I was in it. I’m not an Essendon supporter, I’m a Collingwood supporter.

“I didn’t talk to anyone there (Essendon) directly. I just spoke to media. They were approached by different people.”

Essendon would not comment last night. Charter could not be reached.

Gatto said Charter “can prove the substance he bought was legal. They (ASADA) were saying it was a (banned) peptide but in fact he could prove that it wasn’t”.

Charter was due to complete a review of his evidence with ASADA and sign a witness statement yesterday.

He remains undecided about whether he will appear in person at tribunal hearings.
 

El Diablo

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ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt has today announced that he will not appeal to the AFL Anti-Doping Appeals Tribunal in respect of the findings in relation to 34 current and former Essendon players and one support person, Stephen Dank.

‘As with all other decisions I have made in these matters this decision has largely been informed by comprehensive legal advice.

‘I am conscious that ASADA does not have a direct right of appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and the only appeal avenue open to ASADA at this time is to the AFL Anti-Doping Appeals Tribunal. I am also aware that appealing any of these decisions within the AFL framework would ultimately serve only to delay consideration of these matters by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).

‘I have therefore arranged to provide the entire case file encompassing all 35 matters to WADA for its independent review. This is in accordance with global anti-doping protocols. WADA will then be able to make an independent decision as to whether to exercise its appeal options.

‘ASADA will support any WADA initiated appeal in relation to these matters.

‘In the interests of transparency, I would welcome the fullest possible release of the Tribunal’s findings and reasons on all of these matters,’ said Mr McDevitt.

http://www.asada.gov.au/media/organised_crime_and_drugs_in_sport.html#
 

lockyno1

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It was a very weak case, and any case where you are 100% dependant on 2 witnesses is just asking for trouble and especially when one of the witnesses is Carter.
 

Canard

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Pretty big go at the way the AFL has handled this. And him saying, in essence "I have no faith in the AFL to do the right thing" is golden.


Paint's the NRL well as far as I'm concerned.

The next few weeks are going to make or break this, its all about whether WADA gets interested or not.
 

El Diablo

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it's funny how Richard Ings has gone anti ASADA pro Essendon

he must be looking for a job at the AFL
 

Diesel

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If WADA don't appeal then shut ASADA down. Lundy and Claire should be made to front the media to explain this catastrophic f**k up too
 

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