organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

[Flapper]

Isaac Gordon, in all fairness, should've been given a lot more than Warfarin.

 

[_Johnsy]

You're the stupid one mate. They're grown men. They're not helpless puppies. You have to take responsibility for what you allow into your body.

Hellooooo Shane Webcke 2001.


ssshhhhh

 

[Jason Maher]

Which is exactly the way it should be taken.

Others who see it from the other angle are just getting their panties twisted because its Gallen.

Please stop talking sense. It's too much for the frail minds in here.

 

[jargan83]

So for all of the rhetoric that was coming from the playing group about lawyering up and fighting came to nothing and they all rolled over.

It is the athletes responsibility to know what being put into their system, athletes have been suspended just for giving ASADA a wrong address. It's not hard for an athlete to check out what's going into them, I'm pretty sure that there is a WADA/ASADA hotline.

Would you trust an injection given in a corporate box from a bloody esky?

If the players have trusted someone at the club then that person or persons head should roll but backdated suspensions are a joke.

 

[Nice Beaver]

So for all of the rhetoric that was coming from the playing group about lawyering up and fighting came to nothing and they all rolled over.

It is the athletes responsibility to know what being put into their system, athletes have been suspended just for giving ASADA a wrong address. It's not hard for an athlete to check out what's going into them, I'm pretty sure that there is a WADA/ASADA hotline.

Would you trust an injection given in a corporate box from a bloody esky?

If the players have trusted someone at the club then that person or persons head should roll but backdated suspensions are a joke.

I will bet you London to a brick if they were told they were serving 12 months from now there would be more lawyers than you could poke a stick at.

Why on God's green earth would they need to "lawyer up" and fight when the suspension (for most) is now effectively 3 games? You'd be geniused to fight a deal like that!!!!

 

[Parra]

Exactly.

 

[roughyedspud]

Do you go to the doctor and say "I am sick doctor" then he prescribes you antibiotics. After you have said to your trusted doctor "Is everything in this medication legal and OK to take" then he says "100% safe and not a problem to use" - Do you shoot down to the CSIRO for a break down of the medication or go to the chemist and get it?

Wake up idiot. This is the real world.

doctors don't hand out drugs that are'nt certified for use by the TGA...


if players are taking drugs that are on the WADA list of banned substances,whether they no it or not,they are responsible...not the person giving it them

 

[St Tangles]

I'm not sure if im reading this right. These are bans from Asada? Have they been agreed to by the NRL?
Can the NRL place further suspensions on these players?
Just questions I'm not really sure what they deserve as all the info hasn't and may not be released.

 

[Perth Red]

Let the grown ups talk dickhead.

They are grown men who are paid to play football. They are advised on medications and injury treatment by DOCTORS. And also by their club's coaching staff.

If you were selling tyres at Bob Jane would I come to you on advice for how to design my house? No.

If I am a footballer under contract with a club that employs doctors, sports scientists, coaching staff and administration to ensure I am playing the game I am paid to play within the rules, why would I not take those people at face value when they tell me "what you are taking is legal".

Every club in the NRL gives its players pills to pop every day of the week. Go ask every other player at every other NRL club what the exact ingredients of their pills are.

Do you go to the doctor and say "I am sick doctor" then he prescribes you antibiotics. After you have said to your trusted doctor "Is everything in this medication legal and OK to take" then he says "100% safe and not a problem to use" - Do you shoot down to the CSIRO for a break down of the medication or go to the chemist and get it?

Wake up idiot. This is the real world.

Given players know they are responsible for what they take I would ask every time what I was being given and get my manager to verify with asada it is ok. I understand players may feel pressured but I would not be willing to take anyone's word for it knowing I was ultimately responsible.

Also IF that was the scenario the clubs negligence/deceit deserved a lot heftier punishment and people involved should be banned for life not 12 months.

 

[BuffaloRules]

So for all of the rhetoric that was coming from the playing group about lawyering up and fighting came to nothing and they all rolled over.

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Lol.

"Rolled over" and copped a 3 week suspension.

Doubt that they will be out of pocket $1.

 

[Cletus]

I'm not sure if im reading this right. These are bans from Asada? Have they been agreed to by the NRL?
Can the NRL place further suspensions on these players?
Just questions I'm not really sure what they deserve as all the info hasn't and may not be released.

The way I understand it is they have to go before an NRL anti-doping panel who hand out the bans, but ASADA can recommend bans.

I've got to say they have got off very lightly. There have been a lot of cases where the athlete has had no idea they were taking banned substances and they've had a far longer ban than the Cronulla players. Good luck to them but I'd be livid if I was an athlete who copped a ban previously for some innocuous substance like a pre-workout powder.

 

[Nice Beaver]

doctors don't hand out drugs that are'nt certified for use by the TGA...


if players are taking drugs that are on the WADA list of banned substances,whether they no it or not,they are responsible...not the person giving it them

And your point about the TGA goes to validating my point.

The players (at EVERY club) believe they are in the care of professionals who will only administer medication that is legally in the bounds of the rules.

Just as when you go to the doctor you expect what he prescribes is legal and correct. Why would you question it?

There are doctors at every club. There are sports scientists at every club.

All good and well for the do gooders to pontificate about how stupid these players were to not question it. Hindsight's a wonderful thing.

Some of you live there in that world where you know that you would have done the questioning of medicaton if you were in the room. Must be wonderful place to live. Althouth the smell from having your head up your own arse must get a bit much at times.

 

[St Tangles]

The way I understand it is they have to go before an NRL anti-doping panel who hand out the bans, but ASADA can recommend bans.

I've got to say they have got off very lightly. There have been a lot of cases where the athlete has had no idea they were taking banned substances and they've had a far longer ban than the Cronulla players.

Thanks Cletus

 

[Surely]

Refreshing quotes from Wayne Bennett today. I agree with every word. Certain people can't keep running from responsibility.

The same bennett with all the support staff he could want, bagging out this guy ?

A shortage of staff due to a lack of finances has seen Flanagan and Mooney take on extra responsibilities, including attracting corporate sponsorship and player recruitment. During the off-season Flanagan tiled the club's gym floor.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-for-sharks-20130311-2fwg9.html#ixzz3B6tmzFUI

Its a bit rich coming from the mouldy old f**k.

 

[Usain Bolt]

Paul Gallen: Racist, Drug Cheat, Grub.

Excellent CV

 

[Nice Beaver]

Given players know they are responsible for what they take I would ask every time what I was being given and get my manager to verify with asada it is ok. I understand players may feel pressured but I would not be willing to take anyone's word for it knowing I was ultimately responsible.

Also IF that was the scenario the clubs negligence/deceit deserved a lot heftier punishment and people involved should be banned for life not 12 months.

Every player at every club is given a handful of pills after every game to take. If thee are clubs out there that don't do this then I stand corrected but that is by understanding.

Do the players come in after the game and ask for the chemical elements of those pills after every game and have their managers get onto the ASADA hotline before taking them?

F*ck off with this theoretical garbage.

I 100% agree on heftier club sanctions. They clubs (or in this case club) is culpible up the ying yang.

 

[Eion]

Paul Gallen: Racist, Drug Cheat, Grub.

Excellent CV

Close, but you forgot state of origin winning captain and future immortal.

 

[jargan83]

I will bet you London to a brick if they were told they were serving 12 months from now there would be more lawyers than you could poke a stick at.

Why on God's green earth would they need to "lawyer up" and fight when the suspension (for most) is now effectively 3 games? You'd be geniused to fight a deal like that!!!!

You won't get an argument from me on that and at the end of the day it is probably the reason they took the deal. You can get worse for a shoulder charge these days!

If the evidence was weak why not fight it and clear your name completely?

Will there be legal action against the club or the individuals who ran the program?

I wonder if a part of this deal was to give up information on Dank and the supply chain of the peptides/drugs etc. I also note that the investigation into Cronulla finished last November and ASADA reckon the investigation into Essendon has continued into this year. Probably comparing apples with oranges given the program at Cronulla ran for 6 weeks while the program at Essendon ran for the best part of a year if reports are to be believed.

When USADA pinged Armstrong they released a report into the whole thing so I wonder if ASADA will do the same for the Sharks.

 

[BuffaloRules]

You won't get an argument from me on that and at the end of the day it is probably the reason they took the deal. You can get worse for a shoulder charge these days!

If the evidence was weak why not fight it and clear your name completely?

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Isn't it obvious?

Accept a nothing penalty now, or risk a much more severe penalty in the near future whilst you are paying thousands a day for your time in court.

Deals are done in the "real world" all the time in the criminal courts.

I'm sure that many an innocent party had copped a guilty plea in return for a slap on the wrist.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Isn't it obvious?

Accept a nothing penalty now, or risk a much more severe penalty in the near future whilst you are paying thousands a day for your time in court.

Deals are done in the "real world" all the time in the criminal courts.

I'm sure that many an innocent party had copped a guilty plea in return for a slap on the wrist.

Exactly