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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

Eion

First Grade
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You won't get an argument from me on that and at the end of the day it is probably the reason they took the deal. You can get worse for a shoulder charge these days!

If the evidence was weak why not fight it and clear your name completely?

Will there be legal action against the club or the individuals who ran the program?

I wonder if a part of this deal was to give up information on Dank and the supply chain of the peptides/drugs etc. I also note that the investigation into Cronulla finished last November and ASADA reckon the investigation into Essendon has continued into this year. Probably comparing apples with oranges given the program at Cronulla ran for 6 weeks while the program at Essendon ran for the best part of a year if reports are to be believed.

When USADA pinged Armstrong they released a report into the whole thing so I wonder if ASADA will do the same for the Sharks.

Mate, there is no information to give up on Dank. The players did not have a fugging clue what they took then and don't now.
 

madunit

Super Moderator
Staff member
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So Gallen's now been suspended since November last year? Does that mean someone else will be given the Blues' captaincy for the successful 2014 campaign??? :crazy:

would revert back to the last person to captain NSW?

Robbie Farah
 

sretsoor

Juniors
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I thought the penalties imposed on the Sharks and the banning of staff by the NRL was due to their lack of governance and inadequate internal practices etc, not in relation to the peptides use as there was no proof?

Now the players have accepted the deal from ASADA I thought I heard somewhere ASADA can now focus on the coaching staff for bans/ fines? Can anyone clarify?
 

roughyedspud

Coach
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And your point about the TGA goes to validating my point.

The players (at EVERY club) believe they are in the care of professionals who will only administer medication that is legally in the bounds of the rules.

Just as when you go to the doctor you expect what he prescribes is legal and correct. Why would you question it?

There are doctors at every club. There are sports scientists at every club.

All good and well for the do gooders to pontificate about how stupid these players were to not question it. Hindsight's a wonderful thing.

Some of you live there in that world where you know that you would have done the questioning of medicaton if you were in the room. Must be wonderful place to live. Althouth the smell from having your head up your own arse must get a bit much at times.

its not the clubs that get drug tested though is it...its the players...and if the players don't have the where with all to question if something is legal then thats their own fault.....now if the players where told it was fine then by all means sue the shit out of the clubs...but regardless they are still responsible for whats put into their bodies..


they should be greatful they are'nt here in the uk cos they would have got at least 1 year ban probably 2 years....not 6 week
 

Nice Beaver

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its not the clubs that get drug tested though is it...its the players...and if the players don't have the where with all to question if something is legal then thats their own fault.....now if the players where told it was fine then by all means sue the shit out of the clubs...but regardless they are still responsible for whats put into their bodies..


they should be greatful they are'nt here in the uk cos they would have got at least 1 year ban probably 2 years....not 6 week

Its my understanding the players were told it was all above board. Hence my points in this thread.

If players KNEW it was illegal and took it then 2 years minimum from now. The whole point is they did not.
 

Parra

Referee
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there are other clubs joining the queue
Drug taking sharks
mangey mutts.

No. As far as cheats go the storm are out on their own.

Every time we let your cheating team into the state everyone passing the border should be forced to stop and kiss the ground and give thanks for the benevolence shown to let you anywhere near this game.
 

Nice Beaver

First Grade
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there are other clubs joining the queue
Drug taking sharks
mangey mutts.

There can be only one team of cheating maggot, mangey mutts in the NRL.

Purple scum have that honour no matter how hard you try to deflect.

News Ltd pieces of shit.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...t-was-too-good-to-refuse-20140822-107aq5.html

Cronulla Sharks players angry and upset over ASADA offer that was too good to refuse

Date
August 22, 2014 - 10:05PM

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

Some members of Cronulla's 2011 squad were in tears on Thursday night as they decided to accept backdated suspensions for unknowingly taking prohibited substances.

But the overwhelming emotion among the 17 players was one of anger towards the club and the people who had put them in such a position, with some considering suing the Sharks and questions raised about whether those still at Cronulla will be able to work with suspended coach Shane Flanagan next season. Almost 18 months after they had rejected a similar proposal at a meeting on the eve of the 2013 season, the current and former Sharks players felt they had little choice but to plead guilty while still believing they had done nothing wrong.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency had made them an offer too good to refuse and one that would finally put an end to the speculation and scrutiny they had been forced to endure for the past two seasons.

Lawyers representing the players advised them that ASADA's case was weak if they wanted to challenge the show-cause notices. But in rejecting the deal, which will see most of them banned for just three games, the players were told they would have to be prepared for a two-year legal fight which would see their names dragged through the mud and could cost them up to $300,000 in legal fees in addition to lost income if they were unsuccessful and received a ban from the NRL anti-doping tribunal.

The clincher was a one-paragraph statement declaring the World Anti-Doping Authority was "comfortable" with the backdated suspensions — although Fairfax Media has been told WADA still hasn't ruled out appealing the leniency of the bans.

Channel Nine reported that players and their legal representatives did not receive details of the official ASADA deal until 10.36pm on Thursday. The email from WADA, saying it was "comfortable" with the ASADA-offered deal, did not arrive until 8.20am on Friday.

North Queensland winger Matthew Wright, who was just 20 in 2011, was the most upset as he will miss the coming finals series and the end-of-season Four Nations tournament for Samoa. Those who knew Wright during his stint with Cronulla describe him as "naive" and "quiet", and say the Penrith junior would have done whatever Flanagan and his coaching staff told him without question, including being injected with substances that ASADA say included the banned peptide CJC-1295 and the growth hormone GHRP-6.

Wright has now paid a high price for trusting the coach who introduced controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank to the playing group in the middle of Remondis Stadium during a training session in the 2011 pre-season.

Of the 10 current NRL players, Cronulla's NSW captain Paul Gallen and Gold Coast prop Luke Douglas were the most reluctant to accept the bans, with Gallen having been unwavering in maintaining his innocence for the past 18 months and Douglas not wanting his record of 215 consecutive games since debuting for the Sharks in 2006 to be ended by a doping ban.

The players, some of whom were accompanied by parents, partners and/or managers, met with their legal representatives on Thursday to discuss the options ahead of Friday's 9.30am deadline to accept the offer tabled by ASADA on Wednesday and were advised to make an individual decision.

But all except Super League-based pair Paul Aiton and Ben Pomeroy and retired centre Colin Best eventually took the deal, although it is understood neither of those three or former winger John Williams and hooker Stuart Flanagan, who now plays for the Appin Dogs in Group Six, are yet to receive their show-cause notices from ASADA.

Besides Gallen, Sharks teammates Wade Graham, Anthony Tupou, Nathan Gardner and the recently retired John Morris all accepted the offer, along with Douglas and fellow Titan Albert Kelly, Wright, Newcastle forwards Jeremy Smith and Kade Snowden, London Broncos-bound Josh Cordoba and former prop Broderick Wright.

All will be stood down from playing until November 21, while Morris, who took the ban to ensure the NRL will register him as a trainer, is unable to run the water for the Sharks or be involved with the club in any capacity until the ban expires.

"The players were in constant contact with each other and they just felt that they didn't have a choice in the end," a source close to the players said. "But they still have the right to sue Cronulla and that has to be a serious option for a lot of the guys now."

Even Sharks insiders acknowledge the club has been "compromised" and the players may be able to sue them for damage to their reputations, loss of earnings, lack of welfare and the stress caused by the ASADA investigation.

When the allegations first arose after the now infamous February 7 press conference in Canberra, Cronulla officials attended a meeting with NRL chief executive Dave Smith at which a deal was proposed that would enable the players to accept six-month suspensions for providing substantial assistance.

Fairfax Media has even been told ASADA was prepared to consider backdating the suspensions as they have done now. The players were also told Cronulla would honour their contracts and offer a one-year extension as a way of safeguarding the club from legal action as it was considered the Sharks were "vicariously liable" for the doping violations. Flanagan was stood down and later reinstated with a clause inserted in his contract enabling the Sharks to sack him if new evidence emerged from the ASADA investigation. He is eligible to return to the job from September 17 after serving a minimum nine-month NRL imposed suspension and has recently signed a new three-year contract that is not believed to include such a clause.

However, there are doubts about whether his relationship with the players can ever be the same. "How can he walk back in at the end of the season and coach the team," a player manager said. "You have to wonder whether some of the players would even want to be in the same room as him."
 

BunniesMan

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The show ain't over, kids.

It seems WADA hasn't even looked at the details yet and John Fahey is urging them to go to CAS and appeal:

THE Cronulla saga is as far from closure as ever with revelations late on Friday that WADA is set to exercise its right to intervene in the ASADA doping sanctions.

Although lawyers for the Cronulla Sharks players claim they received a guarantee from ASADA that the World Anti Doping Agency would not interfere in the process, The Daily Telegraph can exclusively reveal WADA’s chief executive is yet to review or receive the evidence from the 17 doping cases.

BENNETT SAYS FLANAGAN IS TO BLAME

Former WADA boss John Fahey said on Friday the penalties make a joke of anti-doping integrity in Australia.

He has strongly urged WADA chief executive David Howman to review and over-rule the “light: sanctions handed to the players.

Howman said on Friday the matter was far from resolved.

GALLEN WILL NOT LOSE MEDIA DEAL DESPITE BAN

“The matter is not concluded. WADA has not received a brief of evidence and is yet to determine if the sanctions are appropriate based on that evidence and the application of the code,” he said in an email to Fahey.

“If they are not satisfied, we will ask to take the matters to the Court of Arbitration of Sport.”

Fahey is extremely angry at the light penalties meted out to the footballers, given they have been backdated.

“Nobody has had their record expunged or had to pay any price at all for this. They did not hand back their earnings from this year nor did they have their names wiped from the record books as so many convicted athletes are forced to do under the WADA code around the world.

“Other athletes have every right to feel very angry with this sanction because it has not inconvenienced the players from Cronulla one little bit.”

SHARKS ROOKIES MAY FILL BIG BOOTS

Cyclists Alberto Contador and Lance Armstrong had their names taken from the record books and runner Tyson Gay handed back his earnings from the time his penalty was back dated.

His name was also struck from the record.

“It is farcical that this is effectively three weeks,” Fahey said.

“It makes a joke of anti-doping integrity in Australia, something I have spent six years trying to improve. The code is very clear — if you dope, you face heavy sanctions. It is a very clear cut thing that has been made arbitrary by this decision.”

WADA has 21 days before they need to respond to the ASADA evidence.

If they find the penalties were too light, the players will be faced with a Court of Arbitration of Sport hearing and the possibility of much heavier sentences or suspensions.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...gbyleague&nk=6526a666563cbf57af6c97e61662ff8d
 

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