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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

footy75

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James Hird is an idiot...all he had to do was take some responsibility from the start.

Look at Cronulla.
 

Danish

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They will probably only be able to sue the club for pain and suffering and negligence. Essendon will suffer greatly and for years.


I have a feeling that the "missing" consent forms and paper trail on all their injection schedules will suddenly resurface if the players try to sue the club.

They players could still probably successfully sue anyway, but they're little act about not knowing anything will come crumbling down. So the whether or not they think the hit to their rep is worth it remains to be seen
 

madunit

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you gotta wonder if the AFL's moronic 3 strikes policy towards drug offenders was responsible for breeding a culture that thought this sort of activity would be acceptable.

And If so, the players would possibly be able to sue the AFL as well as Essendon.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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I have a feeling that the "missing" consent forms and paper trail on all their injection schedules will suddenly resurface if the players try to sue the club.

They players could still probably successfully sue anyway, but they're little act about not knowing anything will come crumbling down. So the whether or not they think the hit to their rep is worth it remains to be seen

Yep, very interesting times ahead for League fans. There are many dimensions to this saga that have yet to play out.
 
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footy75

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you gotta wonder if the AFL's moronic 3 strikes policy towards drug offenders was responsible for breeding a culture that thought this sort of activity would be acceptable.

And If so, the players would possibly be able to sue the AFL as well as Essendon.

3 strike policy was only for REC drugs not PEDs.
 

gUt

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3 strike policy was only for REC drugs not PEDs.

That's not the point he's making. The AFL's continual sweeping of issues under the rug, its self-propelled arrogance and the compliant AFL media all combined to breed a culture where anything goes. Slowly, slowly the air is being let out of these jumped-up pricks.
 

Pete Cash

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I know asada made a right meal of it but essendons treatment of its players was criminal. They should be sued into the dust
 

TheDalek079

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Roy Masters getting some good quality articles written

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...o-different-to-cronullas-20160111-gm3v7n.html

A full-season suspension of Essendon players for taking performance enhancing drugs and only a three-game ban for Cronulla footballers?
The main difference is the Sharks admitted taking banned drugs, while the Bombers, over three long years, have persistently pleaded they did nothing wrong.
Strict liability exists with drug use in world sport. Athletes are responsible for everything they ingest. OK, Cronulla players insisted they were duped by their club and sports scientist, Stephen Dank, but did admit to the use of the banned CJC-1295.
ASADA rules allow for a 12-month discount for substantial assistance and Cronulla players, after some initial misgivings, readily co-operated with ASADA investigators.


The NRL, then led by chief executive Dave Smith, allowed ASADA to conduct its interviews without any interference.
The AFL first sought to cut a special deal with Julia Gillard's Federal Government for Essendon players, freeing them of any sanctions, a deal which which was not made available to Cronulla.
This discriminatory treatment led to the resignation of a long-term ASADA counsel, John Marshall SC and the revelation of this in the Fairfax press forced a confrontation between Smith and Prime Minister Gillard where, Smith told me later, "She was very angry".
The AFL then organised a joint investigation with ASADA .
The Cronulla supplements program began a year earlier than Essendon's.
Sports scientist Stephen Dank left Cronulla in April 2011 to begin work at Essendon at end of that season.
The Cronulla injection program was abandoned after a month, when the club doctor learnt of the drug use.
Essendon's lasted an entire season. The NRL's was a cottage operation, compared to the AFL club's sophisticated thousand-needle regime.
Despite the Cronulla breaches occurring earlier, the ASADA interviews with the Sharks players were put on hold while ASADA investigators moved south to interview Essendon players.
ASADA did offer Essendon a three-month penalty – the same as one quickly accepted by Cronulla – but it was rejected and Bombers coach James Hird initiated legal action against the AFL and ASADA, thereby removing the lighter sanction from the table.
When a sports court finally asked Essendon players to appear before it, nearly three years had passed. Cronulla players quickly accepted their three-month sanction which effectively meant they missed only the final three games of a season where the club was already out of the semi-finals.
CAS was not impressed with some of the evidence given by seven Bombers players in November.
Drug protocol requires players to list all substances taken, yet when Essendon players were asked by ASADA had they taken any substances, the answers were repeatedly, no, no, no.
Yet, of the seven interviewed by CAS, six said they had been given thymosin and another said he saw the name on a vial.
CAS asked the seven to explain this inconsistency and was clearly not satisfied with the answers.
When the "blackest day in Australian sport" dawned, ministers of the Gillard Federal Government and AFL executives were quick to lampoon the NRL as a haphazard, unsophisticated operation.
But the administration of the newly appointed chief executive, Smith, allowed ASADA to do its job and the Sharks players fessed up, albeit to being duped, although ASADA suspects they knew more than they revealed.
Sure, they did not want to persist with legal action because they would have had to fund the litigation themselves. But Essendon, with all their resources, played a game where in the end, their players will be branded with the same drug cheat label as Cronulla. Plus cause the AFL to have virtually a 17-club season in 2016.
Perhaps there are now some politicians, even Rupert Murdoch, comparing the administrations of the two biggest football codes in Australia, together with the notion, "We've always preferred Aussie rules".



http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...tion-for-sports-decision-20160111-gm3tb5.html
 

jargan83

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you gotta wonder if the AFL's moronic 3 strikes policy towards drug offenders was responsible for breeding a culture that thought this sort of activity would be acceptable.

And If so, the players would possibly be able to sue the AFL as well as Essendon.

I reckon you may be on he money. Essendon probably thought even if they got sprung hey would only cop a token punishment from the AFL.

Once ASADA got j cloves they were gone.
 

Rosetta

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Some Cronulla supporters are still blaming Labor, Gillard, the ABC, the SMH, the Unions. In their view the whole thing was a conspiracy set up by Labor to have them rubbed out or moved to Perth.

Sharks fans had every right to think it was a conspiracy at the time, there were deals being worked left, right and centre for the Bombers by Vlad and his mate Lundy. If Dave Smith (and the Sydney media) didn't expose that bullshit they (and our game) would have been stitched up deluxe and been the focus of the ASADA investigation, it's Dave Smith's shining moment as far as I'm concerned.
 

Raiderdave

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Sharks fans had every right to think it was a conspiracy at the time, there were deals being worked left, right and centre for the Bombers by Vlad and his mate Lundy. If Dave Smith (and the Sydney media) didn't expose that bullshit they (and our game) would have been stitched up deluxe and been the focus of the ASADA investigation, it's Dave Smith's shining moment as far as I'm concerned.

Re Dave Smith
I've said it before.. I'll say it again.

He was a genius.:cool:
 

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