Origin Eligibility changes

[Maroon_Faithful]

Well, he certainly never would have played Origin as young as he did, and potentially never at all if the NSWRL didn't like his being on the record as wanting to play for Queensland. That would have seen his earning potential take a hit, but then again Melbourne were fiddling the books to retain him any way, so the impact on his financial value is unclear at best.

I find it very hard to believe that they would've picked Eric Grothe Jnr ahead of Inglis. Even after one season, everyone knew he was superstar material. Regardless, he would've played Origin for NSW if he'd chosen to. There's no doubt about that. To suggest he was influenced by money, as ECT did is a baseless slander.

 

[Nightward]

At the time they believed that Matt King, Mark Gasnier, Timana Tahu and (yes) Eric Grothe Junior were and would be superior to Greg Inglis. There was a lot of talk about how Inglis was too young for Origin, how the selection would backfire on Queensland, and how the NSW backline (and team in general) were so far superior to what Queensland were going to deploy that it wasn't even funny.

Hindsight has proven those notions hilariously wrong, but it was the perception at the time.

Inglis wouldn't have played that year for NSW, and may only have been considered for the Blues the following year, and/or after King, Gasnier, Tahu, and Groethe left the game.

 

[El Diablo]

At the time they believed that Matt King, Mark Gasnier, Timana Tahu and (yes) Eric Grothe Junior were and would be superior to Greg Inglis. There was a lot of talk about how Inglis was too young for Origin, how the selection would backfire on Queensland, and how the NSW backline (and team in general) were so far superior to what Queensland were going to deploy that it wasn't even funny.

Hindsight has proven those notions hilariously wrong, but it was the perception at the time.

Inglis wouldn't have played that year for NSW, and may only have been considered for the Blues the following year, and/or after King, Gasnier, Tahu, and Groethe left the game.

You are full of shit

Find something to back it up

 

[Nightward]

There were newspaper articles saying the same thing for weeks.

After a few seconds on Google: http://forums.rleague.com/archive/index.php/t-16642.html

 

[El Diablo]

Same era, and rules for eligibility in general that have been tweaked since.

The new rules have nothing to with it

You have not explained how a player representing another country in the WC made Inglis eligible for Queensland when he wasn't

 

[Maroon_Faithful]

At the time they believed that Matt King, Mark Gasnier, Timana Tahu and (yes) Eric Grothe Junior were and would be superior to Greg Inglis. There was a lot of talk about how Inglis was too young for Origin, how the selection would backfire on Queensland, and how the NSW backline (and team in general) were so far superior to what Queensland were going to deploy that it wasn't even funny.

Hindsight has proven those notions hilariously wrong, but it was the perception at the time.

Inglis wouldn't have played that year for NSW, and may only have been considered for the Blues the following year, and/or after King, Gasnier, Tahu, and Groethe left the game.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the NSWRL would've blooded Inglis before they blooded Grothe.

 

[Nightward]

The new rules have nothing to with it

You have not explained how a player representing another country in the WC made Inglis eligible for Queensland when he wasn't

Because that wasn't the point, and you know it. If you want to argue that Queensland took advantage of the rules to field a player when every piece of evidence from the time showed that he was eligible for Queensland (only to later discover he was eligible for a state he didn't want to represent any way), what's the difference in pointing to NSW not only selecting a player they knew was ineligible in Uate but then having the rules changed so they could get him onto the field sooner? And then using that result to select Tamou and re-igniting the push to have Sonny-Bill Wiliams play for the Blues?

It's rank hypocrisy. And unlike Queensland, NSW can't even claim that they didn't know any better, because they'd been turned down on Uate before.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the NSWRL would've blooded Inglis before they blooded Grothe.

In hindsight, it's the obvious decision. At the time, though, Craig Bellamy was loudly proclaiming that Inglis was not ready for Origin, and there were others with incumbency or higher in the selection pecking order to consider too.

 

[Knightmare]

No it hasn't - just take one look at any of the posts by RecordBreakingMaroons, IBleedMaroon or Fourex and you'll see plenty of whinging from the QLD side.

:lol: True.

My take on the whole issue is this:

Qld can sign players on loopholes and then laugh at the "crybabies" from NSW when they kick up a stink about it, but any time the Maroons allow an expat to wear their jersey and play an Origin match for them because of some silly paper thin technicalities, they are denying the chance for a born and bred Qlder who has wanted to bleed for his state since he first played football, the chance to make that dream a reality.

The same goes for NSW picking Jamie Lyon when he said he didn't want to play or picking Kiwi's because they played a bit of footy in Sydney after they got off the plane at 11. If I had the choice of watching an Origin series involving the best players in the NRL vs watching an Origin series with 34 players involved who truly gave a shit about their State, I guarantee the latter would be a better spectacle every time...

 

[El Diablo]

Because that wasn't the point, and you know it. If you want to argue that Queensland took advantage of the rules to field a player when every piece of evidence from the time showed that he was eligible for Queensland (only to later discover he was eligible for a state he didn't want to represent any way), what's the difference in pointing to NSW not only selecting a player they knew was ineligible in Uate but then having the rules changed so they could get him onto the field sooner? And then using that result to select Tamou and re-igniting the push to have Sonny-Bill Wiliams play for the Blues?

It's rank hypocrisy. And unlike Queensland, NSW can't even claim that they didn't know any better, because they'd been turned down on Uate before.



In hindsight, it's the obvious decision. At the time, though, Craig Bellamy was loudly proclaiming that Inglis was not ready for Origin, and there were others with incumbency or higher in the selection pecking order to consider too.

Have you been sniffing glue?

Everything you post is judt bullshit and made up.

 

[Maroon_Faithful]

Still waiting to hear a NSWmen come out and admit that their state has cheated. I freely admit QLD has cheated, not that it bothers me because I don't care about the fatuous eligibility rules. But it's pure hypocrisy for any NSWmen to charge QLDwith cheating without conceding their own state's cheating of the rules.

 

[Big Pete]

McGuire couldn't play for Australia in 2011 or Queensland in 2012

Yes he could.

He was selected in the Australian squad in 2011. When the rule was brought to the ARL's attention, they sought clearance from the RLIF and it was granted.

He just didn't receive a look in.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Many. I've already cited one. I could also point to the "friendly" game in the US not being counted as a victory for NSW and never being intended to count as such until, oops, Queensland is getting too close to the NSW victory count so now it does.

Care to elaborate. When was this supposed interchange rule change? Any articles to back this up? I'd be astounded if the Courier Fail let such an event slip by without at least a 2 page spread complete with MSPaint graphics

 

[Nightward]

2008. And yes, there were articles, but good luck trying to find them since searching for "State of Origin rules changes" or the like brings up hundreds of pages of Inglis garbage.

Prior to then, Origin was played under the International rules which allowed for 12 interchanges. Origin was suddenly announced to be played under the NRL rule of 10 interchanges after team selections that year.

 

[Big Pete]

Seems like a stretch Nightward.

If you wanted to go down the rule changes route then stick with Golden Point.

Or Fittler being the only player in history to change the referee's mind.

 

[Joker's Wild]

2008. And yes, there were articles, but good luck trying to find them since searching for "State of Origin rules changes" or the like brings up hundreds of pages of Inglis garbage.

Prior to then, Origin was played under the International rules which allowed for 12 interchanges. Origin was suddenly announced to be played under the NRL rule of 10 interchanges after team selections that year.

SOO has always been refereed under the NRL/ARL guidelines and when the interchange was reduced in 2008 for the NRL, it was brought in for SOO too. Its the reason we have 2 referees in SOO now too but not for Int'ls.

So in other words, you're full of shit. Unless of course you can produce these supposed hard to find articles

 

[El Diablo]

2008. And yes, there were articles, but good luck trying to find them since searching for "State of Origin rules changes" or the like brings up hundreds of pages of Inglis garbage.

Prior to then, Origin was played under the International rules which allowed for 12 interchanges. Origin was suddenly announced to be played under the NRL rule of 10 interchanges after team selections that year.

:lol:

Still making it up

 

[Tweed Titan]

But I get at what Frank is saying. Korbin declared himself a Queenslander before the new rules come in. Whether or not they will allow it if he ever comes into the frame will be interesting.

Surely NSW will never pick him regardless.

In every other sport in the world your eligibility is only confirmed once you play a senior game for the team/state/nation if you are eligible for multiple teams (which Korbin clearly is not, and whether NSW would pick him or not is totally irrelevant)

Anything he has done prior to playing senior SOO means squat, why would RL manage eligibility differently to any other sport in the world? To pander to one guys 'feelings'?

Note in the Korbin quote previously he stated he was doing what was best in his mind for his "career", not "state".

 

[Tweed Titan]

Under the new eligibility guidelines, there was a clear message that if you've already participated in representative football (from under 18s onwards) then that would stand."

ARLC/NRL showing that it is about as professional as the Bilambil summer touch footy competition with their comical decide-after-the-fact rulings that contrast with just about every other major sporting governing body in the world. :lol:

 

[Frank_Grimes]

In every other sport in the world your eligibility is only confirmed once you play a senior game for the team/state/nation if you are eligible for multiple teams (which Korbin clearly is not, and whether NSW would pick him or not is totally irrelevant)

Anything he has done prior to playing senior SOO means squat, why would RL manage eligibility differently to any other sport in the world? To pander to one guys 'feelings'?

Note in the Korbin quote previously he stated he was doing what was best in his mind for his "career", not "state".

Sims' first senior game was for a Brisbane team.

 

[Tweed Titan]

One instance, and for one player. When you look at Origin history, recent or otherwise, the direction of the bias is quite clear, and not the one you're arguing.

Maybe a simple background check? :sarcasm: