Origin Eligibility changes

[Hutty1986]

Which rules were "highly favourable" to NSW, also?

 

[Nightward]

Hayne played for another country. As did Mason, Ricketson, and so on.

The same eligability rules that allowed for the selection of those players are also responsible for allowing Inglis to play for Queensland. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.

Which rules were "highly favourable" to NSW, also?

I've already mentioned one- the changing of the interchange rules after the teams were announced to try and take advantage of the Queensland pack being larger, older, and slower than that of NSW. It didn't work in the end, but that didn't stop them from trying.

 

[Hutty1986]

Hayne played for another country. As did Mason, Ricketson, and so on.

The same eligability rules that allowed for the selection of those players are also responsible for allowing Inglis to play for Queensland. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.



I've already mentioned one- the changing of the interchange rules after the teams were announced to try and take advantage of the Queensland pack being larger, older, and slower than that of NSW. It didn't work in the end, but that didn't stop them from trying.

:lol: Right, I see. And the others?

 

[El Diablo]

Hayne played for another country. As did Mason, Ricketson, and so on.

The same eligability rules that allowed for the selection of those players are also responsible for allowing Inglis to play for Queensland. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.



I've already mentioned one- the changing of the interchange rules after the teams were announced to try and take advantage of the Queensland pack being larger, older, and slower than that of NSW. It didn't work in the end, but that didn't stop them from trying.

So did Tuqiri, Craig Smith, Lam and Carroll

Hayne first played for NSW and Aus before playing for Fiji too

All these have nothing to do with Queensland breaking eligibility rules in selecting Inglis

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Hayne played for another country. As did Mason, Ricketson, and so on.

The same eligability rules that allowed for the selection of those players are also responsible for allowing Inglis to play for Queensland. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.

Hayne played for Australia before he ever played for Fiji.

What about Tonie Carroll, Lote Tuqiri, Antonio Kaufusi? Not that playing for another country is against the rules anyway, so you bomb out in every way on this one.

And the rules that allowed every other player that has played Origin are NOT what allowed Inglis to play. What allowed Inglis to play was some shit about him playing his first u16s game in Qld. Which was pure fiction. That means he was NOT eligible for Qld but the authorities turned a blind eye and let him play and have continued to let him play. Like I said, Qld, the Lance Armstrong of rugby league. Yet it's the toads whinging about favouritism? FMD.

 

[Nightward]

:lol: Right, I see. And the others.

The desire to move a game to Melbourne was motivated out of the belief that Victorians would support New South Wales, so they would be effectively retaining their home game and getting extra cash. This turned out not to be the case.

So did Tuqiri, Craig Smith, Lam and Carroll

Hayne first played for NSW and Aus before playing for Fiji too

Yes, and? Inglis' selection for Queensland is an artifact of the same rules and era. We've already got direct quotes from the head of the NSWRL stating that the best anyone knew at the time Inglis was a Queenslander, what more do you need?

Yet it's the toads whinging about favouritism?

One instance, and for one player. When you look at Origin history, recent or otherwise, the direction of the bias is quite clear, and not the one you're arguing.

 

[El Diablo]

The desire to move a game to Melbourne was motivated out of the belief that Victorians would support New South Wales

Victorians hate NSW

Nobody alive believed they would be supporting NSW especially seeing they didn't when a game had been played at the MCG previously

 

[Joker's Wild]

Hayne played for another country. As did Mason, Ricketson, and so on.

The same eligability rules that allowed for the selection of those players are also responsible for allowing Inglis to play for Queensland. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.

Rules that govern a players eligibility for WC nations have nothing to do with SOO eligibility rules mate.

Nice try though

 

[El Diablo]

Inglis' selection for Queensland is an artifact of the same rules and era

Explain how

 

[Hutty1986]

Explain how

I'd be happy to El D.. but I didn't actually say that ;-)

 

[Joker's Wild]

The desire to move a game to Melbourne was motivated out of the belief that Victorians would support New South Wales, so they would be effectively retaining their home game and getting extra cash. This turned out not to be the case.

What universe do you live in? Qld have always, ALWAYS, had the support of Victorian crowds.

Yes, and? Inglis' selection for Queensland is an artifact of the same rules and era. We've already got direct quotes from the head of the NSWRL stating that the best anyone knew at the time Inglis was a Queenslander, what more do you need?

Except that it was proven to be a false assumption, totally contrary to the rules. He played his first senior game in Newcastle and should never have been selected for Qld.

One instance, and for one player. When you look at Origin history, recent or otherwise, the direction of the bias is quite clear, and not the one you're arguing.

WTF are you on about? What rule was changed?

 

[El Diablo]

Rules that govern a players eligibility for WC nations have nothing to do with SOO eligibility rules mate.

Nice try though

The dope thinks if a NSW player represented another country at the WC it then entitles Queensland to select a NSW eligible player

He's a nut

 

[El Diablo]

I'd be happy to El D.. but I didn't actually say that ;-)

Fixed

Nfi why your nick was there when i quoted it originally :?

 

[Big Pete]

Thought it sounded too intelligent to be Hutty.

What universe do you live in? Qld have always, ALWAYS, had the support of Victorian crowds.

The Victorian crowds seemingly favoured the Blues in the 90's, maybe they're just fairweather fans?

Regardless, I didn't think they were as bias as they were made out to be by the NSW media. There were mixed reactions through out the night and the atmosphere was completely different at Suncorp & ANZ.

 

[Nightward]

Explain how

Same era, and rules for eligibility in general that have been tweaked since. Changes which resulted in players like Uate and Tamou being eligible for NSW, no less.

WTF are you on about? What rule was changed?

Many. I've already cited one. I could also point to the "friendly" game in the US not being counted as a victory for NSW and never being intended to count as such until, oops, Queensland is getting too close to the NSW victory count so now it does.

The dope thinks if a NSW player represented another country at the WC it then entitles Queensland to select a NSW eligible player

He's a nut

No. What I think, and what I've said, is that to the best available knowledge anyone had at the time, Inglis was a Queenslander. He was selected on that basis.

Up until the NSWRL made them very attractive offers, both Uate and Tamou were going to pursue careers representing other nations, as they had been to that point. The selection rules may or may not be a farce, but at least Inglis was on record as wanting to play for Queensland for some time, during which the NSWRL could have presented evidence against his selection if they had cared to do so. They didn't, because they did not realise at the time they had such evidence, and because they believed his selection was going to be a flop they could capitalise on.

At least Inglis was consistent about wanting to play State of Origin and everyone involved thought it was above board, which is more than can be said about the desperation involved around the selection of Uate and Tamou to try and end Queensland's dominance of Origin. A dominance to which Inglis' presence contributes in only minor fashion, since Queensland has recorded wins without him and he has never proven as valuable as Andrew Johns or Darren Lockyer.

 

[Big Pete]

The RLIF definitely back-flipped on Uate who shouldn't have been eligible until 2012 due to the new International rules that were put into place.

But in fairness, Josh McGuire has also been given the same reprieve.

 

[Maroon_Faithful]

No shit. No one in Qld is. It's called cheating.

Yeah, much better to force players against their will. If it's cheating then you have to concede that NSW are cheats as well.

and willing to be paid shit loads of cash for it...

Throw in a boat and he'll be even more keen.

What a ridiculous thing to say. He didn't stand to make any more money playing for QLD than he did for NSW. Moron.

 

[Maroon_Faithful]

The fact remains that Qlders think they're brilliant by winning a few series, but they can't do it without ringing in NSW players. Qld is the Lance Armstrong of rugby league. They can win seven titles but none of them really count while they've cheated with Inglis.

Not even 2006 when he debuted in Game 1 which we lost, and then went on to win the next two games without him? You are a class A moron.

 

[Maroon_Faithful]

So did Tuqiri, Craig Smith, Lam and Carroll

Hayne first played for NSW and Aus before playing for Fiji too

All these have nothing to do with Queensland breaking eligibility rules in selecting Inglis

Trewhella's does. Why aren't you admitting NSW has cheated?

 

[Nightward]

What a ridiculous thing to say. He didn't stand to make any more money playing for QLD than he did for NSW. Moron.

Well, he certainly never would have played Origin as young as he did, and potentially never at all if the NSWRL didn't like his being on the record as wanting to play for Queensland. That would have seen his earning potential take a hit, but then again Melbourne were fiddling the books to retain him any way, so the impact on his financial value is unclear at best.

The RLIF definitely back-flipped on Uate who shouldn't have been eligible until 2012 due to the new International rules that were put into place.

But in fairness, Josh McGuire has also been given the same reprieve.

Yes and no. He was all set to play in 2010 until they fell over on the paperwork, and was rushed through in 2011 via said backflip. McGuire couldn't play for Australia in 2011 or Queensland in 2012, and even if he takes the field next year he has long been clear about wanting to represent Queensland and the only thing preventing that from happening was representing Samoa under an existing rules set that allows players to later represent other nations.

By the time he plays for the Maroons, Uate will have two series on him despite coming into the frame for selection at the same time and with the same bar to entry in place.