OT: ASADA and Drugs in NRL

[Gary Gutful]

Seems pretty clear to me

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-23/wada-adds-danks-drug-to-banned-list/4646084

I wouldn't trust anything that the abc write...

 

[strider]

interestingly they start that story referring to both AFL and NRL .... then only even mention details about afl clubs :? - a bit of attention grabbing

 

[Tony Bongo]

Seems pretty clear to me

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-23/wada-adds-danks-drug-to-banned-list/4646084

It seems like any clubs sports scientists really have to be on their game. It's not as straight forward as a substance being on the banned list or not.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Yep you'd really have to be on your game to realise a drug that hasn't been approved for human use by any government health authority in the world shouldn't be given to players.

 

[Tony Bongo]

Yep you'd really have to be on your game to realise a drug that hasn't been approved for human use by any government health authority in the world shouldn't be given to players.

There are plenty of suppliments that are not illegal but also not approved by health authorities. I can't find any approval for Jack 3D for instance which from recollection was OK to use the year before two of our players got suspended for using it. In our case someone just didn't keep up with the changes which is the point I was making.

 

[Gary Gutful]

As long as 4 n 20 pies, Tooheys red and Benson and Hedges aren't on the list then we shall continue to see the name Gutful in the league program for the Group 19 reserves.

 

[Tony Bongo]

As long as 4 n 20 pies, Tooheys red and Benson and Hedges aren't on the list then we shall continue to see the name Gutful in the league program for the Group 19 reserves.

They aren't on the list but I can't find any health authorities that approve them either. I think you might have a case to answer Gutful.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Yep you'd really have to be on your game to realise a drug that hasn't been approved for human use by any government health authority in the world shouldn't be given to players.

Exactly. It's pretty simple. If in doubt, don't friggin use it.

 

[Bigfella]

No doubt some of them felt they had to keep on their toes to jam as much of the stuff in to people in the small window of opportunity before substances were actually prohibited.

 

[bartman]

For those who have been wanting experts to come out and indicate the potential link between peptides and cancer relapse before they can start to believe the earlier, here's your link:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...risk-expert-says/story-e6frexrr-1226631880125

That article also reaffirms that Dank has admitted he gave peptides to Jon Mannah, for those who were still doubting that from the earlier story.

And finally a link to help explain why it was important that this development was reported in the media, for those who would otherwise have preferred it all to be swept under the carpet: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-responsibility/story-e6frezz0-1226630243177

 

[Suitman]

And finally a link to help explain why it was important that this development was reported in the media, for those who would otherwise have preferred it all to be swept under the carpet: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-responsibility/story-e6frezz0-1226630243177

It was the way they did it Bart, and their insensitivities to the Mannah family, not the story itself. Don't believe anyone wanted it swept under the carpet.

Suity

 

[Gary Gutful]

It was the way they did it Bart, and their insensitivities to the Mannah family, not the story itself. Don't believe anyone wanted it swept under the carpet.

Suity

How in your opinion could they have written the original article in a more sensitive way? What were some the specific offending sentences?

 

[Twizzle]

Its just the DT driving their own agenda.

Read it again Bart

Professor Kenneth Ho, an endocrinologist at the Centres of Health Research, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, confirmed yesterday the link between the banned substances at the centre of an NRL and AFL drugs storm and the growth of cancer cells.

He said the stimulation of growth factors called IGF-1 - which peptides CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 are designed to do - would put the patient at risk of accelerating the growth of the cancer, whether it be a tumour or blood-based disease.

If it is in remission, there is no cancer that can have its growth accelerated. That article indicates that peptides can be a risk if a person has cancer, which at the time he was in remission.

Other experts have also said there is no link at all so that article provided by DT means jack shit.

I'm sure if they rang around enough so called experts, they eventually find some one to meet their agenda.

 

[strider]

if we knew everything there was to know about the human body and remission, then no one would ever come back out of it

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I dunno. Twizzle seems to be quite an expert.

 

[Daneel]

I dunno. Twizzle seems to be quite an expert.

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[mickdo]

I don't think Twiz understands what remission actually is

 

[Twizzle]

remission means no cancer cells apparent

remission for 5 years is deemed cured by the medical profession, hence the term remission rather than cured is used for incidents that are less than 5 years old

if he had cancer cells present, he would not be deemed in remission

 

[mickdo]

remission means no cancer cells that can be 'detected'. it doesnt mean the cancer is gone

 

[Twizzle]

I'll alert the medical profession and tell them they are wrong.

Cancer can be detected now days.