OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Poupou Escobar]

Easy. To get a skilled immigration visa you apply from your current country and you must have the skills and qualifications that we require. Other than nursing and childcare, all the other qualifications are for white collar degree qualified system analysts, accountants, engineers blah blah. Not a sparky, chippy, tiler to be seen.

Don't confuse skills with qualifications. Tertiary qualifications are (supposedly) evidence that skills have been vetted by a university, as nobody (including employers and immigration officials) has the resources to skill test people.

But universities aren't the gatekeepers they once were. Now they exist to make a profit, and every customer's money is good.

 

[hindy111]

This can only exist if there is a market for it. People that buy on price without due consideration as to the the intrinsic value of quality are the drivers here. Without these customers paying for their services, they simply would cease to trade.

I doubt most people would know how their cables are run in roof.
Many jobs can be done in a way where the finish product looks same but the parts you don't see unless crawl into a dark spot is rubbish. And most people do not know the difference bettween high and low quality parts. Most just think your trying to RIP them off

 

[Bandwagon]

I doubt most people would know how their cables are run in roof.
Many jobs can be done in a way where the finish product looks same but the parts you don't see unless crawl into a dark spot is rubbish. And most people do not know the difference bettween high and low quality parts. Most just think your trying to RIP them off

"Most people" don't know, because they don't care. It's all about price, and for say a sparky, as long as the power works, everything is equal.

Though having renovated a few houses which all got major electrical work, I know it's not all that hard to tell the difference if you can be arsed doing a bit of research and don't mind asking questions, and then to specify what your expectations are. this means you might pay a bit more, but it also means you get what you pay for.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Thanks for the article, Gronk.

I would say, however, that there are quite a few migrants who do not fit into the skilled migrant category. Study visas, for example, are often used as a starting point for more permanent entry and a lot of that study is something like "learning English".

And then there are the non-taxpaying visas (the article talks about taxpaying migrants), such as those who come on family visas.

Still, it's a good article. Cheers.

But, for the record, it doesn't nullify my earlier posts. They weren't so much about low-skilled, low-earning migrants as an oversupply of labour keeping wages down. Basic supply-and-demand. And especially where we have been, in general, creating jobs, this is evidently true. I think October was the only month from the last 6 where we didn't create jobs, yet we're still seeing unemployment rising. Wasn't unemployment at 4.9% in February, or something?

 

[Gronk]

Thanks for the article, Gronk.

I would say, however, that there are quite a few migrants who do not fit into the skilled migrant category. Study visas, for example, are often used as a starting point for more permanent entry and a lot of that study is something like "learning English".

And then there are the non-taxpaying visas (the article talks about taxpaying migrants), such as those who come on family visas.

Still, it's a good article. Cheers.

But, for the record, it doesn't nullify my earlier posts. They weren't so much about low-skilled, low-earning migrants as an oversupply of labour keeping wages down. Basic supply-and-demand. And especially where we have been, in general, creating jobs, this is evidently true. I think October was the only month from the last 6 where we didn't create jobs, yet we're still seeing unemployment rising. Wasn't unemployment at 4.9% in February, or something?

Nope. Students who have been here just to learn english have no chance becoming a PR.

Students who have gained qualifications in the fields that are listed as shortages are able to 'express interest' through the Department of Immigration and Border Protection's SkillSelect migration program. The occupations that are eligible for application vary from time to time depending industry shortages or ceilings having been met.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skillselect

 

[strider]

Don't confuse skills with qualifications. Tertiary qualifications are (supposedly) evidence that skills have been vetted by a university, as nobody (including employers and immigration officials) has the resources to skill test people.

But universities aren't the gatekeepers they once were. Now they exist to make a profit, and every customer's money is good.

This is very true

 

[Angry_eel]

I would say, however, that there are quite a few migrants who do not fit into the skilled migrant category. Study visas, for example, are often used as a starting point for more permanent entry and a lot of that study is something like "learning English".

That may have been true 10 years ago but not anymore. Australian Government has quite a few restrictions on students going for a permanent residency.

 

[Angry_eel]

Don't confuse skills with qualifications. Tertiary qualifications are (supposedly) evidence that skills have been vetted by a university, as nobody (including employers and immigration officials) has the resources to skill test people.

But universities aren't the gatekeepers they once were. Now they exist to make a profit, and every customer's money is good.

It's all a con and the Australian Govt has been looking the other way for a long time. It benefits everyone: Students(PR), Universities(Fees), All forms of Government(taxes, stamp duty, council fees), Dodgy employers(Underpaying staff), Real Estate Industry and the economy in general.

 

[Gronk]

I certainly have not heard this version of why we have a warming earth. Forget that anthropogenic rubbish, we're just in a warm spot in the milky way right now.

The chaps at Sky News sure know their shit.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm still waiting for the new ice age predicted in the seventies.

 

[Happy MEel]

I'm still waiting for the new ice age predicted in the seventies.

If it extends the snow season I’m all for it.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

More people die from the cold than the heat, Happy, you inconsiderate bastard.

 

[Twizzle]

says who ?

 

[Bandwagon]

I'm still waiting for the new ice age predicted in the seventies.

It's a bit of a shame hey, had we not bothered to clean up the emissions of particulate matter and just carried on dumping that pollution into the air, it might well have been enough to offset the warming effect of greenhouse gasses and shit would be all cool.

Oh well.

 

[strider]

says who ?

Agree ... we need to get an unrefutable authority to confirm .... @chiefy1 ?

 

[Happy MEel]

More people die from the cold than the heat, Happy, you inconsiderate bastard.

But just so we’re clear, the snow season will get extended right?

 

[Gronk]

More people die from the cold than the heat, Happy, you inconsiderate bastard.

Yeah but we can still find ways of killing them off early it seems.

 

[hindy111]

What caused the ice age? Who was at fault ?

 

[Gronk]

What caused the ice age? Who was at fault ?

Asteroid shenanigans.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Yeah but we can still find ways of killing them off early it seems.

Which idiot at our club decided to send all our players to the Northern Territory? We'll be lucky if half of them make it back!