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[Bandwagon]

do we need some nuclear? ..... is potato head right?

Forgetting all the arguments around waste and safety or whatever, and focusing purely on the practical and the economical, it's really hard to see a place for nuclear here in Australia.

If it was already here as part of the transition, yeah maybe, but it isn't, and despite anything Spud says it's best case scenario 15 - 20 years away and that's for our first build. Meaning one power plant. As it stands a great majority of our coal generation is scheduled to be gone within a decade.

That leaves a five to ten years gap, which means extending coal, or building gas, or increasing renewables and storage.

Of those options, the first two become redundant under a nuclear base load plan, gas less than coal, and renewables have the problem of making nuclear base load ( or whatever fuel ) more expensive via displacement.

All that ends up just making nuclear the more expensive option. The coalition have already conceded that no one is going to stump up the coin to build nuclear here in saying that the plants themselves will be built with taxpayer money. That really should tell you all you need to know about it's financial viability.

 

[Bandwagon]

Nuclear is about 15 to 20 years in planning, how many changes of govt would be in play over that period of time

it would need to be bipartisan and I just can't see that happening, its not as though we are short of uranium

Which is why one might come to the conclusion that it's all just a Trojan horse for the coal / gas industry.

The only way it ever gets built is that the coalition hold government for at least a couple of terms, and in that time tie up enough money in the process that it becomes financially impossible to dump it.

 

[Gronk]

No need to be an angry little ant .... im not arguing against renewables. I think they have a place. Just gotta keep it in perspective. Your example was a bit misleading. You could have shown the weekly or year figures on the same page.

Good on SA .... though they also wouldnt have the power needs of other parts of Australia.

I bought a battery lawn mower. Im f**kin saving the world ffs.

No anger here.

 

[the phantom menace]

do we need some nuclear? ..... is potato head right?

No ..... and no.

(Ffs, see Bandy's post for some fleshed out reasons.)

 

[King-Gutho94]

Gronk, the ultimate inner city elite warrior.
Albo and co are hopeless, you need to examine their tenure to see they are out of touch , that’s all folks.

Out of touch and out of ideas if he had any in the first place.

Albo has always been a passive politician that tries to flow with the wind but you have no clue what he stands for.

Scomo lost the last election more then Albo won it. Albo was just fortunate he was in charge of the opposition at the time and Scomo pissed off enough people.

 

[Gronk]

Out of touch and out of ideas if he had any in the first place.

Albo has always been a passive politician that tries to flow with the wind but you have no clue what he stands for.

Scomo lost the last election more then Albo won it. Albo was just fortunate he was in charge of the opposition at the time and Scomo pissed off enough people.

Delboy’s rant started about “Albos” closing of coal power stations. You have just chined in his “I got nothin, so I’ll just sling mud” post.

It’s not Albo or Bowen closing them BTW, they are assets owned by AGL for example, and those companies don’t see them viable to repair or to reinvest in.

AGL plan to repurpose Liddell in the Hunter to pumped hydro, solar etc - even though Dutton mentioned that site as one of his nuclear locations. Compulsory acquisitions like that are not cheap.

Meanwhile, the CSIRO released their findings mid year that a single nuclear power station would be double that of renewables. That paper was criticised because it did not take into account the potential 50 year life span.

So a revised paper has been released to account for this. The findings now take into account the long lifespan plus the interest and maintenance on the $17b plant that won’t be operational until 2040. Still double.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Delboy’s rant started about “Albos” closing of coal power stations. You have just chined in his “I got nothin, so I’ll just sling mud” post.

It’s not Albo or Bowen closing them BTW, they are assets owned by AGL for example, and those companies don’t see them viable to repair or to reinvest in.

AGL plan to repurpose Liddell in the Hunter to pumped hydro, solar etc - even though Dutton mentioned that site as one of his nuclear locations. Compulsory acquisitions like that are not cheap.

Meanwhile, the CSIRO released their findings mid year that a single nuclear power station would be double that of renewables. That paper was criticised because it did not take into account the potential 50 year life span.

So a revised paper has been released to account for this. The findings now take into account the long lifespan plus the interest and maintenance on the $17b plant that won’t be operational until 2040. Still double.

Delboys post was simply about how out of touch Albo is.

Which i agreed with because its most people are thinking.

I added my spiel on things and tbh i think am pretty close to the mark on how a lot of the working class people of this country think about Albo.

Passive & indecisive.

You only have to look in the past week with the synagogue attack in Melbourne.

Albo instead of coming out straight away and calling it what it was a terrorist attack.

He tried to tip-toe around the issue like he normally does and made a fool of himself again before finally coming to his senses and finally calling it a terrorist attack.

It was typical of "Each Way Albo" we have come to expect. Trying to please everyone but pleasing no one.

 

[Gronk]

Delboys post was simply about how out of touch Albo is.

Which i agreed with because its most people are thinking.

I added my spiel on things and tbh i think am pretty close to the mark on how a lot of the working class people of this country think about Albo.

Passive & indecisive.

You only have to look in the past week with the synagogue attack in Melbourne.

Albo instead of coming out straight away and calling it what it was a terrorist attack.

He tried to tip-toe around the issue like he normally does and made a fool of himself again before finally coming to his senses and finally calling it a terrorist attack.

It was typical of "Each Way Albo" we have come to expect. Trying to please everyone but pleasing no one.

Regurgitating Dutton talking points here is a waste if time. Also, for some reason you and Delboy are of the opinion that I think that Albo's shit doesn't stink. Wrong again.

Terrorism ? Semantics. This was literally an hour after. Before any forensic investigation even started. I could learn you about forensics and terrorism, but ...

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In a statement, Anthony Albanese said he “unequivocally” condemned the “deliberate, unlawful attack”.

Speaking in Western Australia, the prime minister said attacking a place of worship was an “attack on Australian values”.

“To attack a synagogue is an act of antisemitism, is attacking the right that all Australians should have to practise their faith in peace and security.”

Albanese said all resources requested from the Australian federal police and other agencies would be provided so those responsible would be held to account for the “shocking crime”.

Melbourne synagogue fire condemned as ‘act of antisemitism’ as police search for culprits

Two masked people were seen spreading accelerant inside Adass Israel synagogue in Ripponlea on Friday, police say

www.google.co.uk

 

[Gronk]

Anti-vaxer, chemtrail guy and all 'round conspiracy theorist Craig Kelly who went from Lib to Palmer to One Nation is now with the Libertarian Party. Can he go lower after this ?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Anti-vaxer, chemtrail guy and all 'round conspiracy theorist Craig Kelly who went from Lib to Palmer to One Nation is now with the Libertarian Party. Can he go lower after this ?

I reckon he can.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Gronk, the ultimate inner city elite warrior.
Albo and co are hopeless, you need to examine their tenure to see they are out of touch , that’s all folks.

You’ve got nothing beyond talking points.

Gronk is right on the future of Thermal Coal. It’s becoming increasingly less investable due to rapid improvements in the cost effectiveness and reliability of renewables.

Export markets are drying up as well as our traditional trading partners move away from it as a source of energy.

Many smart people in mining companies agree with Gronk agree and are getting out.

Metallurgical coal is slightly different. Due to their being no easily deployable solution to develop steel at scale and cheaply, Met Coal has a slightly longer life. That industry is changing significantly though. Many of the bigger players are selling off their Met Coal assets to juniors who can operate more cost effectively.

Once someone properly cracks Electric Arc Furnace or hydrogen based steel production then Met Coal will start to phase out as well.

Albo is a goose, but you can’t blame him for everything. On energy policy, I think Dutton is the one that is embarrassing. I’d love to see the LNP be much more effective and credible, but they are making it hard for me to continue to vote for them.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Which is why one might come to the conclusion that it's all just a Trojan horse for the coal / gas industry.

That’s fair and could well be true, but Potato head won’t really be able to move the needle.

The global trends are clear. Thermal coal is on the nose and investors are moving away from it faster than a really fast thing.

 

[JokerEel]

Delboy’s rant started about “Albos” closing of coal power stations. You have just chined in his “I got nothin, so I’ll just sling mud” post.

It’s not Albo or Bowen closing them BTW, they are assets owned by AGL for example, and those companies don’t see them viable to repair or to reinvest in.

AGL plan to repurpose Liddell in the Hunter to pumped hydro, solar etc - even though Dutton mentioned that site as one of his nuclear locations. Compulsory acquisitions like that are not cheap.

Meanwhile, the CSIRO released their findings mid year that a single nuclear power station would be double that of renewables. That paper was criticised because it did not take into account the potential 50 year life span.

So a revised paper has been released to account for this. The findings now take into account the long lifespan plus the interest and maintenance on the $17b plant that won’t be operational until 2040. Still double.

Quoting anyone that's uses MAGA is an automatic L

 

[JokerEel]

Regurgitating Dutton talking points here is a waste if time. Also, for some reason you and Delboy are of the opinion that I think that Albo's shit doesn't stink. Wrong again.

Terrorism ? Semantics. This was literally an hour after. Before any forensic investigation even started. I could learn you about forensics and terrorism, but ...

====8<=====

In a statement, Anthony Albanese said he “unequivocally” condemned the “deliberate, unlawful attack”.

Speaking in Western Australia, the prime minister said attacking a place of worship was an “attack on Australian values”.

“To attack a synagogue is an act of antisemitism, is attacking the right that all Australians should have to practise their faith in peace and security.”

Albanese said all resources requested from the Australian federal police and other agencies would be provided so those responsible would be held to account for the “shocking crime”.

Melbourne synagogue fire condemned as ‘act of antisemitism’ as police search for culprits

Two masked people were seen spreading accelerant inside Adass Israel synagogue in Ripponlea on Friday, police say

www.google.co.uk

So Albos shit don't stink?

 

[Gronk]

So Albos shit don't stink?

Your attitude stinks, young man.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Good listen on energy in Australia's future. I'm sure the "centrists" will listen.

 

[Bandwagon]

Scomo lost the last election more then Albo won it.

This is usually the way shit works. Can you think of the last election where the government hasn't changed hands because the incumbent was on the nose?

 

[Bandwagon]

That’s fair and could well be true, but Potato head won’t really be able to move the needle.

The global trends are clear. Thermal coal is on the nose and investors are moving away from it faster than a really fast thing.

Yeah, but he wins the election and everything just gets pushed back another three years or more. he does it again, another three years at least.

All of a sudden taxpayers are funding the acquisition and refurbishing of stranded coal assets that states sold for a dollar.

Winner winner (charcoal) chicken dinner!

 

[Suitman]

RTBU said:
The reducing kilometre actions have been built into schedules/diagrams and are already rostered. Do not accept late advice of altered working. Members are expected to work to their strictly to their Rostering and Working Arrangements and do management no favours.

This means that the effect and impact of this action will still be felt by the Government and management.

This has come from the RTBU themselves. The bolded part is from them, not me.

Forget the comprehension which they couldn't even get right.

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fightingforourfuture.com.au

They are doing everything they can to screw Sydney for their own selfish claims.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah, but he wins the election and everything just gets pushed back another three years or more. he does it again, another three years at least.

All of a sudden taxpayers are funding the acquisition and refurbishing of stranded coal assets that states sold for a dollar.

Winner winner (charcoal) chicken dinner!

Mmmm thermal coal chicken…