OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The unskilled migrants slow wage growth. The skilled migrants push housing prices up.

Well, get the unskilled ones to build houses for the skilled ones. Simples.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Do you think it's a coincidence that diminishing union influence in the private sector coincides with sluggish wages growth and an ever growing gap between the growth of corporate earnings and the earnings of their employees?

I don't.

Did you consider the possibility that each are driven by correlations with other factors, or reverse causality? That is, the decline in Unionisation could be driven by real or perceived declines in its effectiveness for securing higher wages or better conditions.

 

[Bandwagon]

Did you consider the possibility that each are driven by correlations with other factors, or reverse causality? That is, the decline in Unionisation could be driven by real or perceived declines in its effectiveness for securing higher wages or better conditions.

Yes.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Yes.

Bullshit.

 

[Bandwagon]

Bullshit.

No, it's not.

I accept things are multi faceted, and there are many reasons for the decline in unionisation of our workforce. To your point unions are also a victim of their own success, much of that which we enjoy as enshrined in legislation is due to that success, yet in turn makes them somewhat redundant to many.

I am concerned mostly with the imbalance between the power of capital and that of labour.

As I posted earlier, I feel it has swung too far in the favour of capital. Which is reflected in the ever increasing wealth gap in the west.

 

[Gary Gutful]

No, it's not.

I accept things are multi faceted, and there are many reasons for the decline in unionisation of our workforce. To your point unions are also a victim of their own success, much of that which we enjoy as enshrined in legislation is due to that success, yet in turn makes them somewhat redundant to many.

I am concerned mostly with the imbalance between the power of capital and that of labour.

As I posted earlier, I feel it has swung too far in the favour of capital. Which is reflected in the ever increasing wealth gap in the west.

Fair point.

They are definitely a victim of their own early success and as a result many people just accept the great conditions that we have without thinking where they came from. But equally, a few of them have shit in their nest in recent times which spoils it for any of the remaining good ones (which is probably the majority).

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

No, it's not.

I accept things are multi faceted, and there are many reasons for the decline in unionisation of our workforce. To your point unions are also a victim of their own success, much of that which we enjoy as enshrined in legislation is due to that success, yet in turn makes them somewhat redundant to many.

I am concerned mostly with the imbalance between the power of capital and that of labour.

As I posted earlier, I feel it has swung too far in the favour of capital. Which is reflected in the ever increasing wealth gap in the west.

'Bullshit' was simply a reply on a par with 'Yes'.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well I'm confused. Can we half join a union? Gary?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Well I'm confused. Can we half join a union? Gary?

No but you can fully join a half union.

 

[Bandwagon]

Fair point.

They are definitely a victim of their own early success and as a result many people just accept the great conditions that we have without thinking where they came from. But equally, a few of them have shit in their nest in recent times which spoils it for any of the remaining good ones (which is probably the majority).

Yeah, there's good and bad everywhere. Noting is immune.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

No but you can fully join a half union.

I think it's best to one third join two opposing unions.

 

[Bandwagon]

'Bullshit' was simply a reply on a par with 'Yes'.

Ok.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Ok.

Bullshit.

 

[parra pete]

A thousand bucks for a root, what do you get for that? The unions are driving up prices everywhere.

You get what the LNP Government is doing to Australia.....only slower.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Housing affordability is the price that you pay when you strive to be a dynamic global city.

There are no highly liveable, low unemployment, financial hub type cities that have affordable real estate. Supply v demand takes care of this.

The solution is Turnbull’s 30 minute city with multiple cbd zones linked by efficient and frequent public transport. He’s in an ideas man that guy. He should run for PM one day.

I put it to you that plenty of the people living in places like Sydney never wanted to them to be 'dynamic global cities'. That is a situation that was foisted upon them by more powerful stakeholders.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which is why Turnbull’s 30 minute city is the way forward.

It never takes me more than half an hour to get anywhere in western Perth. But I couldn't afford this lifestyle in Sydney.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So if we stop immigration we’ll be economically booming?

We'd be poorer but more equal. I reckon more people would be happier.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well, get the unskilled ones to build houses for the skilled ones. Simples.

Have you seen what houses built by unskilled workers look like?!! Nobody with skills would want to live there.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did you consider the possibility that each are driven by correlations with other factors, or reverse causality? That is, the decline in Unionisation could be driven by real or perceived declines in its effectiveness for securing higher wages or better conditions.

Are you saying correlation doesn't equal causality? That's denier talk!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No, it's not.

I accept things are multi faceted, and there are many reasons for the decline in unionisation of our workforce. To your point unions are also a victim of their own success, much of that which we enjoy as enshrined in legislation is due to that success, yet in turn makes them somewhat redundant to many.

I am concerned mostly with the imbalance between the power of capital and that of labour.

As I posted earlier, I feel it has swung too far in the favour of capital. Which is reflected in the ever increasing wealth gap in the west.

Capital scales whereas labour doesn't.