OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

So she wrote a completely fake story, that she knew was fake, published it, then decided to quit ... Seems odd

She said she was "ordered to write it".

 

[strider]

She said she was "ordered to write it".

And decided to quit over that .... But the morals only kicked in later .... Seems odd

 

[Gronk]

And decided to quit over that .... But the morals only kicked in later .... Seems odd

She was told to write unthuths against her values. Doesn't seem odd to me that she sat with the discomfort and decided that it was not on.

Why does it seem odd to you ? Do you think that she has no credibility because she didn't tell her boss to shove it up front ? Or do you think that she was a rat in the ranks and planned this all along to smear Murdoch ?

 

[strider]

She was told to write unthuths against her values. Doesn't seem odd to me that she sat with the discomfort and decided that it was not on.

Why does it seem odd to you ? Do you think that she has no credibility because she didn't tell her boss to shove it up front ? Or do you think that she was a rat in the ranks and planned this all along to smear Murdoch ?

So if your boss told you to very publicly outright lie about an extremely high profile person, you would do it?

I wouldn't

 

[Bandwagon]

Pleasing the majority is why we have gotten into this mess in the first place.

No-one has the courage to drive potentially unpopular but necessary agendas. Long-term strategies and plans are avoided as well because everyone expects instant gratification.

Yeah. He illustrates my point well. He went to the election with too many ideas and policies when he could have just relied on LNP being even more popular than he was.

Poor campaign, but also a sad indictment on modern politics.

The problem is not the cajones, it's the quality and convictions of the guys who sell it.

Shorten and Labor took a lot of policy to the last election, and were beaten by "how good is......"

And Shorten's a strange one, in person he's a great speaker, yet it doesn't translate to the media, he comes across as wooden and perhaps a bit like he's hiding shit.

FFS there's some out there that reckon the Beetrooter is the coalition's best retail politician????

That's the standard.

Shit in = shit out.

It's said that the electorate gets the politicians it deserves, maybe it's actually the other way around.

 

[Gary Gutful]

The problem is not the cajones, it's the quality and convictions of the guys who sell it.

Shorten and Labor took a lot of policy to the last election, and were beaten by "how good is......"

And Shorten's a strange one, in person he's a great speaker, yet it doesn't translate to the media, he comes across as wooden and perhaps a bit like he's hiding shit.

FFS there's some out there that reckon the Beetrooter is the coalition's best retail politician????

That's the standard.

Shit in = shit out.

It's said that the electorate gets the politicians it deserves, maybe it's actually the other way around.

Yep. He's a dreadful salesman. Couldn't convince a bunch of eels fans that BA is dog shit.

Maybe if he was a bit more charismatic he would have been able to sell his bullshit.

My point though is that he didnt need new shit, a heart would have sufficed.

 

[Gronk]

So if your boss told you to very publicly outright lie about an extremely high profile person, you would do it?

I wouldn't

I guess your mortgage and family position plus employment opportunities during a pandemic might add weight to a person compromising their values.

I don't think it's fair to be judgey on her. In the end she went to the cops and told the truth.

It's also unfair that we are focused on her character, rather than the publication who have been caught making shit up to achieve political purchase. Nothing new of course, but but solidifies the notion that his rags can't be trusted.

 

[strider]

I guess your mortgage and family position plus employment opportunities during a pandemic might add weight to a person compromising their values.

I don't think it's fair to be judgey on her. In the end she went to the cops and told the truth.

It's also unfair that we are focused on her character, rather than the publication who have been caught making shit up to achieve political purchase. Nothing new of course, but but solidifies the notion that his rags can't be trusted.

so her job was incredibly important to her when writing the story - but shortly after her job wasn't incredibily important?

I said it's odd ..... which I believe it is - but hey odd shit can happen - I just personally think its an odd case of back flipping on your morals ..... something changed her mind about the gravity of lying in the most public of ways about an extremely high profile person

she was ok with hanging shit on someone publicly via her media job, she can cop that I think it's odd the way it transpired ...... she is not some star cos she backflipped afterwards - she would have been a star had she stuck to some morals beforehand - but hey, she took a job at a Murdoch paper, so maybe she knew what might be expected at that time

 

[Twizzle]

maybe her conscience got to her

 

[strider]

maybe her conscience got to her

yeah maybe ..... I said its odd, not impossible

I'm older now - maybe when I was young I would do whatever anyone told me - but I don't know if I ever would have published lies about the 2IC - guess I will never know what I would have done

 

[Gronk]

If you're going to call the PM a merkin, don't then go and back down and blame it on a stutter.


At least my mate from Martin Place went to court to defend his right to say so.

TLDR: the court ruled that it wasn't all that bad.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ed-over-tony-abbott-sign-20170829-gy6ft4.html

 

[Gronk]

No, it’s actually just a blog.

 

[Gronk]

Cabinet member and Minister for Resources.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Dumb question.

 

[Gronk]

Stubborn merkin.

 

[Twizzle]

Perfectly logical question.

He is trying to deflect the question by answering it as saying another power source can be used as a back up, which it can, but the question is regarding power storage, not power generation.

We actually have the best technology here in Oz (vanadium radox battery) but its locked up in IP patents and the inventor doesn't own the IP anymore..

 

[Gary Gutful]

Why is he asking a question like that?

 

[Gronk]

Why is he asking a question like that?

Probably because the pro fossil fuel energy generation side only have baseload power and "what if the wind stops blowing" as valid arguments which support traditional energy generation. Emerging technologies are quickly eroding those arguments and you could literally see him squirm over that concept. The transition to renewables has started and has significant momentum. It's the conservatives who drop the political sea anchors to slow down the inevitable. His performance in that interview was awkward and pigheaded.

 

[Bandwagon]

Dumb question.

Not in the context of the conversation it's not.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/resourc...fuses-to-say-battery-storage-is-dispatchable/

It's a minister picking winners and trying to justify it on flawed logic, the question of whether a battery can make wind / solar dispatchable is at the heart of the reasoning for the decision.

Which is why Pitt refused to acknowledge and answer the question, because the follow up question is "so if it the case that battery storage can make wind or solar dispatchable, then how does that align with your stated reason for over ruling an independent body's decision" or something to that effect.

Which is another question he'd have to dance around.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Not in the context of the conversation it's not.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/resourc...fuses-to-say-battery-storage-is-dispatchable/

It's a minister picking winners and trying to justify it on flawed logic, the question of whether a battery can make wind / solar dispatchable is at the heart of the reasoning for the decision.

Which is why Pitt refused to acknowledge and answer the question, because the follow up question is "so if it the case that battery storage can make wind or solar dispatchable, then how does that align with your stated reason for over ruling an independent body's decision" or something to that effect.

Which is another question he'd have to dance around.

He’s trying to get a sound bite using a horribly generalised question for a complex issue.

The Minister was trying to explain that different technologies and configurations suit different market needs, as per the below research by ARENA which was funded by our out of touch renewables denying Government.

https://arena.gov.au/projects/dispatchable-renewable-electricity-options/

Maybe, he tried earlier in the interview to get specific about the Kaban project and got nowhere. I note the first question referred specifically to the 157MW.

Would be interested in seeing the entire interview if anyone has a link.