OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Chipmunk]

Any current LNP parliamentarian who wants to public support the voice has to step down from any senior role

Seems to be working for Simon Birmingham just fine.

 

[eels_fan]

It can be changed in terms of who sits on the Voice, how those people are selected and what matters they bring up - however, it cannot change that it can only advise on matters relating to Indigenous Australians and that it has to exist

However the government can change the level of power and the functions that the Voice has, and has the ability to set laws to enshrine these powers and functions.

It all can sound fine and dandy now, but just wait a few years when treaty and land reparations come into play.

Whilst the changes to the constitution state the the Voice can make representations only upon matters relating to the aboriginal and torres strait islander people - once treaty comes into play, any and all functions and decisions within the country become "matters relating to the aboriginal and torres strait island people" as it is "their land".

When the land you have spent your life paying a mortgage on to own can be taken from you for a nominal amount you have no say in and no legal recourse to challenge.

If you don't think it can happen, you are welcome to do some light reading online, there is precedent.

This is why i say there must be more work done and a clear, well outlined, watertight definition of what the powers can and will be for now and into the future, not some wishy washy statement with holes all through it that can and will be pulled apart to benefit those with self interest.

 

[bazza]

Seems to be working for Simon Birmingham just fine.

you might know more - but I don't think he has said anything about it publicly i.e. not actively campaigning for 'yes'

 

[bazza]

However the government can change the level of power and the functions that the Voice has, and has the ability to set laws to enshrine these powers and functions.

It all can sound fine and dandy now, but just wait a few years when treaty and land reparations come into play.

The constitution would say that the Voice is advisory
If they had powers outside of the it could be ruled un-constitutional by a court

This is why i say there must be more work done and a clear, well outlined, watertight definition of what the powers can and will be for now and into the future, not some wishy washy statement with holes all through it that can and will be pulled apart to benefit those with self interest.

It seems that you are in favour of an Indigenous Voice to Parliament being in the constitution but don't like the current proposal. What would be the proposed amendment to the constitution on this matter that you would support?

 

[TheRam]

Yes and No

Alexa tells me that according to Odds Checker Joe Biden has a 19% chance of winning the election while Donald Trump and Ron De Santis are 2nd and 3rd favourites at approx 14% chance

Must be some error with my device as I am sure that Alex Jones and random videos on internet would not lie

So true. You should just trash Alexa and listen to Alex Jones instead. Way more accurate.

 

[TheRam]

Dude

As Chris Gleason reporting for the Gateway Pundit reported "A bombshell investigation has uncovered jaw-dropping connections between Fani Willis and a sprawling web of election fraud and money laundering activities.

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The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

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Or

Main Stream Media (MSM) is far-left crazy Marxist fake news. The the whole lot of them are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. Steer clear as much as humanly possible.

The new larger and more successful alternative media is the best place to get a fair and balanced view on what is truly happening in the world.

 

[T.S Quint]

Or

Main Stream Media (MSM) is far-left crazy Marxist fake news.

 

[TheRam]

The constitution would say that the Voice is advisory
If they had powers outside of the it could be ruled un-constitutional by a court


It seems that you are in favour of an Indigenous Voice to Parliament being in the constitution but don't like the current proposal. What would be the proposed amendment to the constitution on this matter that you would support?

Say YES to white power and whites to have the power to veto anything that any other Australians want to do with their properties and anything else too really. It is in the white peoples tradition to wield such power so we are just asking for what we have had traditionally since we enlightened the world and gave you lot basically everything you have today.

If you don't like that, fine give it all back and pay us reparations for what you have thus far stolen and benefited form.

Fair's fair people. After all don't we all just want a fair and level playing field?

So lets start with shoes, the West(Greeks) invented shoes. So everybody that isn't Greek or white take off your shoes you freakin freeloaders now!

 

[Gronk]

Or

Main Stream Media (MSM) is far-left crazy Marxist fake news. The the whole lot of them are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. Steer clear as much as humanly possible.

The new larger and more successful alternative media is the best place to get a fair and balanced view on what is truly happening in the world.

I think you're stuggling to grasp what marxism is about.

 

[TheRam]

I think you're stuggling to grasp what marxism is about.

Yeah sure mate.

 

[Suitman]

No, it's a simple centralizing of advice. Indigenous people deserve to be heard about matters which pertain to their lives. They have no veto power. No power to start or finish anything. No legislative power. No power to raise or spend money. It just gives them an opportunity to be heard. Really heard this time.

If only Albanese could be as precise and succinct as this. It really is that simple.
He has been appalling at selling the Yes campaign.

For the record, I have no qualms in voting Yes, and will be.

The day this proposed referendum turned to shite was the day Dutton turned it political and made it an us vs them issue, not a "Voice" issue. Basically, Labor Yes and Coalition No.
That is what is dividing the nation at the moment.

 

[Twizzle]

geez the newscorpse and similar scum bags promoting this scare campaign regarding land claims all of a sudden and linking it with the YES vote

 

[Gronk]

Yeah sure mate.

But he was LOL funny.

 

[T.S Quint]

Say YES to white power and whites to have the power to veto anything that any other Australians want to do with their properties and anything else too really. It is in the white peoples tradition to wield such power so we are just asking for what we have had traditionally since we enlightened the world and gave you lot basically everything you have today.

If you don't like that, fine give it all back and pay us reparations for what you have thus far stolen and benefited form.

Fair's fair people. After all don't we all just want a fair and level playing field?

So lets start with shoes, the West(Greeks) invented shoes. So everybody that isn't Greek or white take off your shoes you freakin freeloaders now!

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah sure mate.

Marxism is evil. I'd much prefer Ramism.

 

[Gary Gutful]

If only Albanese could be as precise and succinct as this. It really is that simple.
He has been appalling at selling the Yes campaign.

For the record, I have no qualms in voting Yes, and will be.

The day this proposed referendum turned to shite was the day Dutton turned it political and made it an us vs them issue, not a "Voice" issue. Basically, Labor Yes and Coalition No.
That is what is dividing the nation at the moment.

Dutton is not on his own with the devisive bullshit scare tactics, but otherwise agree 100%. Voting yes is not the 'ooga booga' that many are making out.

 

[Chipmunk]

Basically, Labor Yes and Coalition No.
That is what is dividing the nation at the moment

The poll numbers I seen this week indicated that only 61% of Labor voters are voting Yes.

That's Labor's issue right there.

 

[Gronk]

The poll numbers I seen this week indicated that only 61% of Labor voters are voting Yes.

That's Labor's issue right there.

It’s not labor’s issue at all. You make it sound like this referendum is about short term politics. Do you think that Albo is taking this risk because he thinks it would be advantageous ? Let’s be serious, if it was all about political purchase, he’d give it a wide birth.

From time to time there are things that leaders feel that they need to do, or even attempt, even if it is ultimately to their personal detriment. He could have very easily dropped or deferred this for reasons. He leads in the polls and really doesn’t need this shit on his plate right now.

However like the NDIS and the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Sexual Assault with Gillard, somethings can’t be left undone.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

 

[Gronk]

Remember when Trump lost a defamation case against a woman he sexually assaulted, then walked out of the court and called her a liar and a wack job ? I wonder if will do it a second time ? Will he learn ?

 

[Stagger eel]

If only Albanese could be as precise and succinct as this. It really is that simple.
He has been appalling at selling the Yes campaign.

For the record, I have no qualms in voting Yes, and will be.

The day this proposed referendum turned to shite was the day Dutton turned it political and made it an us vs them issue, not a "Voice" issue. Basically, Labor Yes and Coalition No.
That is what is dividing the nation at the moment.

well Turnbull has gone the YES route probably out of spite of his ole mates.