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[bazza]

Alex Jones should stop lying and gaslighting people if he doesn't like losing money

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

speaking of qantas (hello feels fans)

 

[TheRam]

Alex Jones should stop lying and gaslighting people if he doesn't like losing money

Come home evil brother. Come home. A nice hot toenail(hoof) soup is waiting for you. Clipped fresh from the Devil you worship.

Come my brother God saves.

 

[bazza]

Come home evil brother. Come home. A nice hot toenail(hoof) soup is waiting for you. Clipped fresh from the Devil you worship.

Come my brother God saves.

you seem upset - just like Alex Jones

 

[Gronk]

For people that don't quite know how preposterous this is, just look at the damages awarded in the Jones case for him using his right to freedom of speech to initially state that the Sandy Hook shooting may have been a false flag, which he then retracted and reversed his OPINION and said that it was real from what he can tell.

This is whitewashing the facts.

Jones’s Sandy Hook commentary went on for years. Parents were harassed, kids at school alienated for years.

Sandy Hook was in 2012. Jones was still gaslighting 5 years later. The fallout, the public mistrust of the families who still to this day are told they are paid actors, that their sons and daughters never existed, still pays a toll.

One of the Dads took his life in 2019, because of the ongoing trauma and victimisation.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dad-sandy-hook-school-shooting-victim-dies-apparent/story?id=61926331

Free speech: You can't say whatever you like. You can't yell FIRE in a theatre. You can't say you have a BOMB on a plane. So let's not pretend that free speech is some sort of passport to say anything including opinions.

You can say an opinion - BUT - if it defames someone and damages their reputation, then you're f**ked.

USA (varies from state to state, however in general) ---> To prove prima facie defamation, you must prove to the court 4 things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the reputation of the person or entity who is the subject of the statement.


Here is a small sampling of what he said:

• “My gut is, with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged. And you know I’ve been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings, and then magically, it happens.”
• “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.”
• “We’re sorry for everybody’s losses, whatever. We’re investigating this, though.”
• “It’s as phony as a $3 bill.”
• “You’ve got parents laughing — ‘hahaha’ — and then they walk over to the camera and go ‘boo hoo hoo,’ and not just one but a bunch of parents doing this and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died? I mean, they think we’re so dumb.”
• “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?”
• “I watched the footage, and it looks like a drill.”

After Robbie Parker, whose daughter Emilie died at Sandy Hook, gave a news conference the night after the shooting, Mr. Jones said:

• “You know, after you lose your daughter, they put you on some antidepressants or something, but I thought those take a month to kick in. I mean, it’s like a look of absolute satisfaction, like he’s about to accept an Oscar.”
• “It looks like he’s saying, ‘OK, do I read off the card?’ He’s laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying.”

Here’s what Jones has said about Sandy Hook. (Published 2022)

Alex Jones spent years accusing the family members of Sandy Hook shooting victims of being actors in a hoax and suggesting that their children were still alive.

www.nytimes.com

 

[the phantom menace]

So the NSW LNP that decided to demolish Willow Grove (and keep all of its heritage "pieces" in storage) failed to allocate funds for their intended reconstruction?



Another sign the LNP was never serious about heritage conservation in the first place.

#forkedtongues

 

[Suitman]

Right, so the government that was campaigning against losing heritage has now taken steps to lose that heritage.
Relocation of heritage buildings is not something rare or "wrong". Various historic buildings in Sydney have been moved from their original location.

I can't believe how many fools (well, one actually) are falling for this new term "fake heritage".
Thousands of buildings around the world have been re-located and rebuilt.
Let's take Marble Arch in London as an example.
Originally built as the entrance to Buckingham Palace in 1827 and moved to its present location when the palace was extensively expanded/remodeled. This must qualify as fake heritage eh?
Um, no.




What about the spires of St Mary's Cathedral in the city, only added in the 2000's?
More fake heritage I suppose.



How about this one?

Abu Simbel in

Abu Simbel: The Temples That Moved​

References
By Owen Jarus
published June 13, 2018

The Abu Simbel temples sit on the west bank of the Nile River.
The site of Abu Simbel is one of the most recognizable ancient sites in Egypt. For 3,000 years, it sat on the west bank of the Nile River, between the first and second cataracts of the Nile. However, in a remarkable feat of engineering, the temple complex was dismantled and rebuilt on a higher hill to make way for the Aswan High Dam in the 1960s.

Abu Simbel: The Temples That Moved

Besides their grandeur, the Abu Simbel temples are notable because they were moved in 1964 to make way for the High Aswan Dam.

www.livescience.com

Labor screamed to high heaven when Willow Grove was carefully demolished for a re-build elsewhere.
Well now was their chance to right the supposed wrongs of the previous govt but they are being political arseholes about it.
I'd suggest that a vast majority of the Parramatta community would love to see Willow Grove re-built. I certainly would.
This is epic toys-throwing. Didn’t get the outcome on Willow they wanted, so now no-one gets it?

 

[the phantom menace]

 

[Twizzle]

Well initially Alex Jones was made bankrupt to silence his freedom of speech.

bankrupt people still have the right to speak

you really are not making much sense lately

 

[Suitman]

Wow. That's all you have got Bart?
Are you this much of a dickhead in real life?
Actually, don't bother replying. I already know the answer.

 

[the phantom menace]

Wow. That's all you have got Bart?
Are you this much of a dickhead in real life?
Actually, don't bother replying. I already know the answer.

It's there because the answer to everything in your post was already in my post that you were replying to. That is...:

So the NSW LNP that decided to demolish Willow Grove (and keep all of its heritage "pieces" in storage) failed to allocate funds for their intended reconstruction?

You really don't like your pet pollies to be questioned at all, do you ?

 

[Gary Gutful]

bankrupt people still have the right to speak

you really are not making much sense lately

There should be consequences for peddling hurtful lies but I agree with @TheRam that a $1B or $2.75T lawsuit is a bit f**ken ridiculous.

 

[TheRam]

bankrupt people still have the right to speak

you really are not making much sense lately

Oh my, have you taken Spud Carroll pills today?

 

[Suitman]

My pet pollies? Lol.
I just want the best party to run our state and I don't care which side of politics it comes from.
How about you discuss the actual issue and reply to the evidence that I have provided? That re-inventing heritage isn't anything unusual? Not like state labor are doing and using this issue as a cheap political gain and being hypocritical re saving heritage. First they wanted it, now they have canned it and played the blame game. If they really were for saving heritage, this is the easiest way to prove it and actually do something about it.
Again, reply to the multiple examples I have provided around the world of heritage removal and restoration and how successful it has been. Instead of just ignoring the evidence and taking cheap shots at me.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Oh my, have you taken Spud Carroll pills today?

Are Spud Carroll pills TPA approved?

 

[the phantom menace]

That re-inventing heritage isn't anything unusual?

It's outdated. Things have moved on since the stale examples of that practice you've cited. Simple as, and was in the first article previously posted on this decision.

You might not agree, that's your choice. I won't name/name call you about it.

Again, reply to the multiple examples I have provided around the world of heritage removal and restoration and how successful it has been. Instead of just ignoring the evidence and taking cheap shots at me.

Again, see and understand the previous comments, instead of just stamping your feet louder, and getting more uptight...

The concept of authenticity in heritage pertaining to relocated cultural heritage is complex. Need an academic article to step that out for you, where you aren't tempted at condemning the messenger? Here's one:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1550190620904798

 

[Bandwagon]

There should be consequences for peddling hurtful lies but I agree with @TheRam that a $1B or $2.75T lawsuit is a bit f**ken ridiculous.

It doesn't matter, the amount is just symbolic of the egregiousness of his actions. He doesn't have a billion dollars, let alone a trillion, that's a lot of brain-pill grifting to gormless rubes that is. Whatever, it'll never be paid, and the court would obviously know this.

@TheRam is focusing on that aspect purely as an attempt to denigrate the decision of the court that he is indeed liable for his actions.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It doesn't matter, the amount is just symbolic of the egregiousness of his actions. He doesn't have a billion dollars, let alone a trillion, that's a lot of brain-pill grifting to gormless rubes that is. Whatever, it'll never be paid, and the court would obviously know this.

@TheRam is focusing on that aspect purely as an attempt to denigrate the decision of the court that he is indeed liable for his actions.

Look. I agree, it’s a distraction from the fact that he was found liable for his disgraceful comments.

Just find it a bit ridiculous when it’s clear he can never pay that.

 

[Bandwagon]

Look. I agree, it’s a distraction from the fact that he was found liable for his disgraceful comments.

Just find it a bit ridiculous when it’s clear he can never pay that.

It's not at all uncommon though, I mean sure the amount sounds extraordinary, but it's not about whether he can ever pay it or not, it's about putting a price on the cumulative damages he's caused.

Remembering that it extends to a fairly large number of people, this is not a single settlement to a single plaintiff, it is multiple plaintiffs all seeking damages, each one is still a helluva lot of coin, but viewed individually it no longer has the air of ridiculousness the combined amount infers.

Here is what the jury awarded each of the plaintiffs in the case against Alex Jones:

• Bill Aldenberg: $90 million
• Jacqueline Barden: $28.8 million
• Mark Barden: $57.6 million
• Jennifer Hensel: $52 million
• Ian Hockley: $81.6 million
• Nicole Hockley: $73.6 million
• Erica Lafferty: $76 million
• Robert Parker: $120 million
• William Sherlach: $36 million
• Carlee Soto Parisi: $66 million
• Donna Soto: $48 million
• Jillian Soto Marino: $68.8 million
• Matthew Soto: $57.6 million
• David Wheeler: $55 million
• Francine Wheeler: $54 million

Alex Jones Ordered to Pay Each Plaintiff This Much in Sandy Hook Case

A Waterbury, Connecticut jury has ordered "Infowars" host Alex Jones to pay a certain amount to each plaintiff.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

 

[Gary Gutful]

It's not at all uncommon though,

Perhaps not. I haven’t really seen other examples but I’m sure they exist. Cbf’d looking it up though when there is so much Japanese porn to explore.