OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

Bit like if you ask any questions about the Voice which is going to totally transform the country the better supposedly.

No it’s not. Nothing will noticeably will happen for you and me. Only when policy is being formed that directly impacts the indigenous people, they will be consulted. It gives them a direct conduit to the cabinet. So rather than knocking on doors and hoping that they open, they will be heard this time around.

 

[TheRam]

I have already found this information. If you had read and understood my post you would know that I'm looking for more than "proposed" changes and so much more than the extremely vague and highly ambiguous wording of the 3rd point of that proposition.

Vote NO unless you are in the habit of signing any document that is presented to you without knowing what is in it.

Grifters never give you details that matter or are real.

 

[TheRam]

I also no nothing about benefits they get. I just hear lots of people whinge about it.

I'll be conservative and say about $30B a year on total on all programs.

It's never a money problem. It's a distribution and corruption problem. The money will never get to the everyday aboriginal people that deserve it.

Just like the YES vote is not for the benefit of the regular everyday aboriginal people.

 

[Bandwagon]

Bit like if you ask any questions about the Voice which is going to totally transform the country the better supposedly.

I don't believe it will. With any luck it'll help ATSIC peoples to help themselves, but that'll be about it.

 

[Gronk]

The money will never get to the everyday aboriginal people that deserve it.

Just like the YES vote is not for the benefit of the regular everyday aboriginal people.

You have zero basis for being such a know it all absolutist about this. I have never understood these Uncle Frank statements, as if you have experience on the ground in indigenous affairs or even in NGOs anywhere in the world. You're just waving you hand flippantly, and dismissing the whole thing based on your predetermined political stance. Happy to be proven wrong. Indeed, if you have any evidence that an indigenous voice having direct access to those who form policy will make no difference, then I would love to read about it. Cos I woukd be ropeable.

I just need a little more than "mark my words, idiot".

 

[TheRam]

Nah, it's just moved on. Thankfully the worst of it appears behind us.

As an aside, have you ever stopped to think that maybe the response to covid saved a shit ton of lives, and that's why you can look back and think meh, not so bad?

Or it didn't and that's why they are gearing up in the States to go another round and telling everyone that you are not protected even if you have been previously vaccinated.

Oh and by the way more people are dying today in vaccinated countries by over 10% statistically then normal and governments are now putting out campaigns telling everyone that strokes and heart attacks are normal for people under 50 years of age.

Yep they saved lives. Hahahahahahaha...........

You love ignoring Governments own websites statistics of injuries and mortalities. Even VERS has started to collate adverse reactions now I believe I heard, but haven't verified. But if true, WOW!

Hey you know what? You should get on your Bandwagon and rush out and get the next booster shot. It saves.

Lead the way champ. The more the safer right?

 

[hineyrulz]

No it’s not. Nothing will noticeably will happen for you and me. Only when policy is being formed that directly impacts the indigenous people, they will be consulted. It gives them a direct conduit to the cabinet. So rather than knocking on doors and hoping that they open, they will be heard this time around.

So having a say will end the rorting, corruption and greed that’s happening at the moment?? And the people who will be heard hopefully these aren’t the same people who are now involved in all the rorting corruption and greed?? That’s the main problem with all of this what really will change?? Will it really do much to help the betterment of Aboriginal people?? Doubt it which is pretty sad.

 

[hineyrulz]

I don't believe it will. With any luck it'll help ATSIC peoples to help themselves, but that'll be about it.

Yep, hopefully that’s the case. But the worry is the same incompetent, greedy rorters will be involved what will change?? Hopefully anyone involved now gets cleaned out with a big broom. Unless thar happens what really can change?

 

[King-Gutho94]

It's funny how people who want to vote yes seem to be able to say it freely. But if someone was to vote NO they kind of get shamed and frowned on. I honestly haven't put much thought into the whole thing but it's the impression I've gotten from the whole thing.

I feel we have become a very judge-mental society.

So those who aren't as passionate about this but plan on voting no ain't going to come out and sprout about it while risking being called out as racist.

At the end of the day your not racist if you vote no. I am sure everyone has there own reasons for yes or no.

You shouldn't be frowned upon for voting either.

 

[TheRam]

I only fired potshots due to my frustration at people (mainly you) directing me to info that I clearly implied I had already read and was not satisfied with and was therefore seeking further clarification only for you to ignore that and parrot what the PM press release said.
As far as the recent page or so goes I'm holding my own there IMO.

Rest assured I will f**k off back there soon enough. If you would like to expedite that, stop responding.
Are we arguing about nothing? If we are, why are you so opinionated about it and so dogged in your commentary about it not only to me but all others with questions before me? ...

This is what they do. They come at you and harass you with nonsense and bullsh*t msm data points and sound bites or Government sanctioned on point political releases to the point that frustrates you enough to simply give up an walk away.

Anything you post isn't real or isn't or won't ever really happen and is just a thought bubble at think tank maybe floating but never intends to action.

But then a few years down the line....hello here comes Johnny!

But don't worry that's not an axe he's holding, He's just looking for a cuddle. What's wrong with ya? You like cuddles doncha?

 

[Gronk]

So having a say will end the rorting, corruption and greed that’s happening at the moment?? And the people who will be heard hopefully these aren’t the same people who are now involved in all the rorting corruption and greed?? That’s the main problem with all of this what really will change?? Will it really do much to help the betterment of Aboriginal people?? Doubt it which is pretty sad.

There does seem to be a problem with cash finding it's way to the grass roots, however what you are seeking are guarantees and if not then it's a NO ? That's what I don't understand with the "it won't change anything so it's a NO." It can change things if the government is prepared to listen.

Ignoring the noise of the politics, doesn't this carry weight ?

 

[TheRam]

You have zero basis for being such a know it all absolutist about this. I have never understood these Uncle Frank statements, as if you have experience on the ground in indigenous affairs or even in NGOs anywhere in the world. You're just waving you hand flippantly, and dismissing the whole thing based on your predetermined political stance. Happy to be proven wrong. Indeed, if you have any evidence that an indigenous voice having direct access to those who form policy will make no difference, then I would love to read about it. Cos I woukd be ropeable.

I just need a little more than "mark my words, idiot".

Straw man argument that can't ever be settled until after the fact if ever at all due to partisan bias.

Have you been part of this world at all?

Since when have any of these measures that separate the people from one another ever brought them together and united them?

Lefty politics is all about divide and conquer. Cloward and Piven has been a great and affective strategy.

Ropable that you have been shown up and found out.

 

[Gronk]

The NO campaign have been saying that the YES will result in immediate changes that will impact our lives.

1. A treaty. This was part of Peta Credlin's 25 page thing (which it wasn't) which secretly revealed that the real agenda was a treaty.
2. Change the date on Australia Day.

The YES campaign are saying that's crap, simply because the voice committee are consulted on policy. They don't come up with policy and lobby.

Anywho, from this weekend....

 

[Gronk]

Straw man argument that can't ever be settled until after the fact if ever at all due to partisan bias.

Have you been part of this world at all?

Since when have any of these measures that separate the people from one another ever brought them together and united them?

Lefty politics is all about divide and conquer. Cloward and Piven has been a great and affective strategy.

Ropable that you have been shown up and found out.

Thanks for those 70+ words, but you didn't really say anything or explain yourself.

 

[TheRam]

So having a say will end the rorting, corruption and greed that’s happening at the moment?? And the people who will be heard hopefully these aren’t the same people who are now involved in all the rorting corruption and greed?? That’s the main problem with all of this what really will change?? Will it really do much to help the betterment of Aboriginal people?? Doubt it which is pretty sad.

It will just give more power to the Corps and Governments of the day that will then be able to bribe and maneuver their way into gaining access to land and or resource contracts for pittance that wouldn't have been possible to do so under normal circumstances, or close down access to large deposits and or land when needed to cause scarcity.

The will have greater leverage to do as they see fit. Turn on the spigot or turn off the spigot and Governments will claim they have no power or say in the matter so they will play Pontius Pilate with clean hands to the people.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Twizzle]

Sorry about the format of this post but i can't figure how to fix it.

you're using an add blocker so you don't have the full functionality of the forums software

 

[TheRam]

Yep, hopefully that’s the case. But the worry is the same incompetent, greedy rorters will be involved what will change?? Hopefully anyone involved now gets cleaned out with a big broom. Unless thar happens what really can change?

Not a chance. The wolves and jackals know and smell a juicy fat carcass when they see one.

Feeding frenzy coming up baby and they are delirious with avarice intent.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It's never a money problem. It's a distribution and corruption problem.

Some truth to this. Have seen first hand how difficult it can be to make sure the support is distributed in the right way.

 

[Chipmunk]

These sort of socially progressive policies are important to me, as was SSM, and I understand that to others this topic may very well be of little importance to their lives.

Nothing will noticeably will happen for ... me.

Why is it important to you if really it will have no impact on you?

I can understand why people would be ambivalent and agnostic about something that doesn't really impact them, but I don't understand why it is that important to them.

 

[TheRam]

@Gary Gutful look I just cam across this TNT Radio interview and it covered basically all and then some of what you asked me to elaborate on the other day. The only difference is I don't think we have a snowballs chance in Hell in getting out of this to be honest. To late now, America is gone and even if the people were to somehow miraculously rise and try to gain control again, the greedy evil will just go to war. If they can't have it all, then no one will. Hell we are heading there anyway. Look at the missiles the Brits just gave the Ukrainians, they shot them into a Russian city and the US is giving them more. So we have already lit the fuse. It is only how long is that fuse before the first nukes strike happens.

Anyway listen to the download and if you feel like, tell me what you think?

Mel K on The Charlie Robinson Show - 17 September 2023 | TNT Radio

On today's show, Mel K discusses the weaponised American Justice Department. GUEST OVERVIEW: Mel K is a devoted lover of truth, facts, history, God, and America. After graduating with honors from NYU, she spent twenty years in media, film, and investigative journalism in Hollywood before moving...

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