OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Which is why the Yes campaign tried to make it about white colonisation. But immigrants are smart enough to know they also benefit from it. Attempts to roll back colonisation hurt them too.

Yes, it’s a live thesis.

A lot of indigenous people I know are not very keen on immigration at all. I’d suggest this is a broader view amongst First Nations people.

It is one of the underlying tensions in society no one really wants to talk about.

You can’t really support large immigration programs on the one hand and then tell indigenous people their land etc is sacred on the other.

You can only really Morris dance around the issue.

Economists tell us we need large immigration programs. I don’t pretend to understand that rationale.

 

[Gary Gutful]

She is pretty much the only tyrant left ... almost all the other politicians, health merkins, police merkins have run for the hills ... move on to your next cushy gig before what you did is shown up as f**ked

Good chance Labour won’t win the QLD election next year imo. I won’t be voting for them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Scope
- “Matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples” is a broad statement and doesn’t really provide any useful information whatsoever.

I would suggest that the very broad/vague nature of this statement is extremely useful. To the right people.

 

[Gronk]

You’re either willing to make sacrifices or you expect other people to make them for you. Rich people in favour of carbon tax are only in favour of costs they can afford. Whether others can afford them is a non issue for these merkins. Let them eat cake.

You seem to know all the rich people, what their individual carbon footprints are and their financial contributions towards sustainability initiatives. Very clever.

Like pushing minority issues to pit the working class against each other?

Agree. The wedge politics was very nasty.

Widjabul Wia-bal leader of key advocacy group slams Dutton's "divisiveness and political wedges" on Voice​

https://nit.com.au/12-01-2023/4706/widjabul-wia-bal-leader-of-key-advocacy-group-slams-duttons-divisiveness-and-political-wedges-on-voice

 

[Bandwagon]

Economists tell us we need large immigration programs. I don’t pretend to understand that rationale.

If you're an economist, growth is everything. ( there are exceptions but whatever )

Growth requires your population being replaced when they no longer are productive. That means you need productive people to replace people when they become non productive ( get old ), either you make more people ( babies ), or you import them.

But that's not where it stops, used to be that you worked, and then you died shortly after, so for the most part you could replace one for one and not lose out, nowadays, because boomers refuse to f**king die, they continue to consume, but do not produce for a very long time. So you need to both replace their production, and add to production to compensate.

And we don't make enough babies.

TLDR: Like most shit nowadays it's the boomers fault.

 

[Gronk]

Map of Voice referendum results by electorate

ref Map of Voice referendum results by electorate 2023

abc.net.au

 

[the phantom menace]

Howard's (aspirational...) "battlers" strike again?

 

[Chipmunk]

Good chance Labour won’t win the QLD election next year imo. I won’t be voting for them.

I think LNP are specials, Labor has probably run their course for this term. Crucifuli (however you spell it) at least seems capable.

 

[Chipmunk]

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Map of Voice referendum results by electorate

ref Map of Voice referendum results by electorate 2023

abc.net.au

I'm lost with why they bother bringing electorates into a referendum. They're really pointless for the purpose.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I'm lost with why they bother bringing electorates into a referendum. They're really pointless for the purpose.

More detailed than the voice !

 

[Chipmunk]

If you're an economist, growth is everything. ( there are exceptions but whatever )

Growth requires your population being replaced when they no longer are productive. That means you need productive people to replace people when they become non productive ( get old ), either you make more people ( babies ), or you import them.

But that's not where it stops, used to be that you worked, and then you died shortly after, so for the most part you could replace one for one and not lose out, nowadays, because boomers refuse to f**king die, they continue to consume, but do not produce for a very long time. So you need to both replace their production, and add to production to compensate.

And we don't make enough babies.

TLDR: Like most shit nowadays it's the boomers fault.

Aka The Australian National Ponzi Scheme.

For what it's worth I have no issue with a truckload of immigration, but we need better infrastructure to cope with it.

 

[hindy111]

Where would i be without you to tell me what i think and how i got there.

I can guarantee you i give literally zero f**ks what Dutton says and never paid any attention to what he said through all this ... he is pointless dead weight ...... i think Albo f**ked up cos HE went off half cocked with stars in his eyes thinking how awesome its gonna be without thinking it through

Up shit Creek without a paddle

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

States can introduce their own voices I guess.

Victoria has a kind of mandate now to do so.

I wonder if they need a state referendum to change their charter?


Will there be bus loads of indigenous folk setting up a new home in Mexico?

 

[hindy111]

Why don't they just start giving them back some of the good spots in Sydney. Start with Redfern which was ordinary how they kicked them all out.....

 

[Gronk]

I think LNP are specials, Labor has probably run their course for this term. Crucifuli (however you spell it) at least seems capable.

There might be a labor spill before then.

 

[Gronk]

Why don't they just start giving them back some of the good spots in Sydney. Start with Redfern which was ordinary how they kicked them all out.....

Do you know anything about “the block” aka Caroline , Hugo Streets etc ?

Do you know anything about the redevelopment and who benefited?

The Pemulwuy Project

The Pemulwuy Project is the redevelopment of the land known as “the Block” in Redfern, owned by the Aboriginal Housing Company Ltd

pemulwuyproject.org.au

 

[Eelogical]

The No vote didn’t need any campaigners up here. Yes was about as popular as a fart in an elevator.

Are there actually any elevators in FNQ?

 

[Chipmunk]

States can introduce their own voices I guess.

Victoria has a kind of mandate now to do so.

I wonder if they need a state referendum to change their charter?


Will there be bus loads of indigenous folk setting up a new home in Mexico?

I find it interesting States introduce something that is not their responsibility under the Constitution.

Similar to wank fest inner city councils. Stick to your roads, rates and rubbish FFS.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think there’s an argument that in a better economy, it would have got over the line.

People are nervous and untrusting these days.

Has albo done anything for working people?

And this is the whole point. Commitments to minority issues allow the elites to avoid bigger questions of inequality, where the answers would require them to make actual sacrifices. It’s why the most privileged people voted Yes. “Stop complaining about housing and everything else! Don’t you see how bad the aboriginals have it?! Shame on you!!!”

 

[Eelogical]

I am a white guy who is in a way reasonably wealthy I guess compared to many. Often I feel a bit horrible about my pleasures or eating at fancy restaurants or going on holidays considering how poor we where going up. A guilty feeling.
And yes its unfair I got lucky with my choices where some friends in similar situations just didn't. It leaves me with a feeling of exactly that. Timing and luck is a huge part in life.

Don’t feel guilty, mate. Most likely you worked hard and used common sense to get where you are now. Enjoy the fruits of your decisions and working ethics.