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Mojo

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I know I was possitively commenting :)

This may be the dumbest thing by Scomo. Don't invest in technology, don't invest in up and coming businesses(despite LNP being business friendly) and don't do the hard work to make housing affordable but use people's retirement money to buy houses, great policy.
Yep! A policy of such significance created in a thought-bubble during an election campaign to try to counter a good opposition policy. Dismal.
 
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Student debt is way out of control, unis are ripping students off.

We need to use technology to make service delivery cheaper.

And Gronky, I’d insist all lecturers do at least a dipEd so they know how to teach. A lot of flips out there. Id exempt some researchers.
 

strider

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Well you did say "give you 40%", but anyway.
Well they are giving you 40% of your house with no need to ever pay it back until you want to move out.

And I entirely agree with you about the Libs policy to use your super. I think its gonna cause issues down the track.

Im very surprised the Libs are gonna let you use your super. It is very much against their past position. They have always been pro super for retirement.

I also think both will result in potential bad situations for people with govt holding something over you.
 

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Well you did say "give you 40%", but anyway.

If you are saying that more people participating in the market will have an inflationary effect on prices, well yes. But using that logic it there would never be a good time to do that unless the arse fell out of the market.

Circling back and with the current Morrison thought bubble aside, what gives with the libs and their anti super stance ?



Don’t be fooled for a minute into thinking what is building into the biggest attack on superannuation for decades by the government has anything to do with policy.

If it did, Josh Frydenberg wouldn’t have leaked parts of the retirement incomes review, by a panel led by former senior Liberal staffer and Treasury official Mike Callaghan, to friendly journalists at the Financial Review and The Australian ahead of its release last week, or held a media event to discuss it 40 minutes before the release of the actual report on Friday.

Few people on any side come to the debate about superannuation with genuine disinterestedness. Some independent, highly regarded economists — Brendan Coates at the Grattan Institute, and now Saul Eslake — argue against further rises on the basis that they are unnecessary and will detract from wages growth.

Everyone else, pretty much, has a vested interest. And the interest doesn’t come bigger and uglier than that of the Liberal Party.

As Crikey has explained for a long time, the Liberals spent years trying to tilt the super system against industry super funds and in favour of retail funds that used to be owned by the big banks.

That was driven by the huge donations they received from the banks, and by a hatred of industry super funds.

But as their attempts to help retail super funds blew up in their faces, the Liberals’ hatred of industry super hardened into something even more toxic: a growing resentment of the entire superannuation system and the way that it reroutes power away from them and into the hands of large super funds — industry, retail, corporate and public sector.

The Liberals are terrified of the growing power of super funds and the way funds of all stripes have used it to pursue policies like net-zero emissions targets — contrary to its own business model of taking donations from large corporations in exchange for influencing policy.

The Liberal policy on retirement incomes is therefore pretty simple: kill super. It’s only a slightly more sophisticated version of the Nationals threatening to destabilise the entire financial system because banks are refusing to lend to their coal industry donor mates.


Not all super would be targeted, of course: every Liberal MP attacking super has a 15.4% super contribution rate. Don’t expect them to cut their super contributions back to 9.5% any time soon.

The Liberal plan to kill super has two parts: first, stop increases in compulsory super payments, possibly including the increase to 10% scheduled for just seven months’ time. Then, “open up” super so that members can draw down on their balances — which has proven highly successful in the context of the pandemic.

Both will be sold as being all about the interests of members. The removal of further increases in compulsory super will be all about wages growth and the good of the economy post-COVID. Opening up super will be sold as giving Australians greater freedom and allowing young Australians to get into the housing market.

In both cases, the arguments presented are missing key pieces of information. The wage stagnation that Australian workers have endured for years has nothing to do with super rises, but much to do with government policies. It is this government that has demonised unions, refused to support minimum pay rises, supported penalty rate cuts, turned a blind eye to the epidemic of wage theft for years, and slashed its one direct, powerful tool for increasing wages — public service pay rises.

The wage price index for the year to September was just 1.4%, a new record low. The Reserve Bank doesn’t expect wages growth to reach 2% again until at least 2023.

Halting further compulsory super rises won’t do a thing to restore even the tepid wages growth of recent years. Instead, it will effectively transfer income from workers’ retirement accounts to businesses, because there’ll be no magical compensating wage rise if super is kept at 9.5%.

If the government really cared about wages growth, it would dump its new (and mostly ignored by the media) linking of public sector wages to private sector growth, which guarantees overall wages growth will be significantly lower in coming years (the average difference between private and public wages growth since 2016 has been 0.3 points a year). And it would support minimum wage rises.

And helping Australians raid their super will just pump more money into the housing market, driving up prices accordingly — and leaving young people with no retirement incomes to show for it. But that would be good for News Corp, which owns 61% of realestate.com.au, and Nine Entertainment, which owns 58% of Domain.

If the government really wanted to improve affordability, it could axe negative gearing. But that assumes the Liberals are interested in policy outcomes. The only outcome the Liberals want is to destroy super.

The review also laments the cost of super tax concessions, which are “projected to grow as a proportion of GDP and exceed that of age pension expenditure by around 2050. This is due to earnings tax concessions. The increase in the SG rate to 12% will increase the fiscal cost of the system over the long term”.

The costliest ever change to super tax treatment was by Peter Costello in 2007, when he removed tax on super earnings for people over 60 and the superannuation surcharge. Mike Callaghan was Costello’s chief of staff when those changes commenced in 2007. Too bad Mike didn’t say something then.


I had to take 20k out of my superannuation due to cornavirus and those silly lockdowns just to make ends meet. Couldn't work, work was dead. Etc
First thing I did was put in 2 x split air cons. I keep cool in summer and warm in Winter.
 
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I had to take 20k out of my superannuation due to cornavirus and those silly lockdowns just to are ends meet.

I appreciate your honesty Hindy.

Tbh I just forgot that I could stick the snout into the trough earlier and I limped on with the base pay.

I probably should have withdrawn it and got a decent used rav4.

As you know, It was good times on the roads with an essential service pass. I only got pulled over once at Mt Druitt. In my defence, everyone near me with a boy racer Japanese car was also getting nailed. I struck a good cop and was summarily waved on to the Chinese take away. No escort but.


So I’ve got my $20k early super and arrive at the sellers house, low and behold:

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hindy111

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I just got a call from little Johnny Howard. He told me Albo doesnt have the cred. I told him to, f**k of, but he just kept talking. He was quite rude, wouldnt answer me, just blah, blah, blah.

Sound alike Howard analed you with jibber
 

Gronk

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Finland and Sweden have quickly opted to join Nato.

Even Switzerland is considering joining.

 
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Finland and Sweden have quickly opted to join Nato.

Even Switzerland is considering joining.


A move that will keep ratcheting up the pressure and tension, boxing Russia in further = more threat, death and destruction.

It’s all well intended but not thought through.
 
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Gronk

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The merkins threatened to nuke the UK and turn it into a dust bowl the other day.


Yes, because the UK’s gone troppo with its sending of arms etc to the Ukkies. Way over the top.

More fuel on the fire.

We need a diplomatic solution to the crisis, not a military one.

Russia is a rogue State at the moment acting illegally, so it needs to be dealt with carefully.
 
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Gronk

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Turkey has put paid to this membership request.
Thank goodness.

Looking at its growth, Turkey is future junior super power in its own right. A bright future.
Thank goodness ? Why do you object to Sweden and Finland joining Nato ?

Turkey just has a bee in their bonnet over some argy bargy relations going back years. There is more to this and to put it simply, the Turks have blamed the Kurds for the coup and many see that as political. Also the Swedes and Finns have an issue with any extradition of a person who will face death penalties, like we do.

Turkey are holding this over the northern countries for political gain, simply because to join NATO it requires a unanimous vote.


Ankara first raised objections to Finnish and Swedish membership on Friday, citing their history of hosting members of Kurdish militant groups and Sweden’s suspension of arms sales to Turkey since 2019 over Ankara’s military operation in Syria.

The justice ministry said on Monday that over the past five years the two countries had failed to respond positively to extradition requests for 33 people Turkey says are linked to groups it deems terrorist, namely the Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK) and followers of Fethullah Gülen. Nato would become “a hatchery” for terrorists if the two countries joined, Erdoğan told a news conference on Monday.
 
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Thank goodness ? Why do you object to Sweden and Finland joining Nato ?

Turkey just has a bee in their bonnet over some argy bargy relations going back years. There is more to this and to put it simply, the Turks have blamed the Kurds for the coup and many see that as political. Also the Swedes and Finns have an issue with any extradition of a person who will face death penalties, like we do.

Turkey are holding this over the northern countries for political gain, simply because to join NATO it requires a unanimous vote.


Ankara first raised objections to Finnish and Swedish membership on Friday, citing their history of hosting members of Kurdish militant groups and Sweden’s suspension of arms sales to Turkey since 2019 over Ankara’s military operation in Syria.

The justice ministry said on Monday that over the past five years the two countries had failed to respond positively to extradition requests for 33 people Turkey says are linked to groups it deems terrorist, namely the Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK) and followers of Fethullah Gülen. Nato would become “a hatchery” for terrorists if the two countries joined, Erdoğan told a news conference on Monday.

With respect, you should be looking at the bigger picture.

Russia has not threatened either Finland or Sweden in any way at all.

By joining an alliance that is anti-Russian, that simply adds more instability to the region and makes them targets.

That simply serves to legitimise Putins representations to his own people and the world that Russia is even more vulnerable to the west and then serves to justify more militarism and potential catastrophe, conventional or nuclear.

The reasons Turkey provided are much less important than the outcome.

That is an outcome that serves to contain the conflict, and promotes the opportunity for peace for Ukraine.

I repeat my point that Russia is a rogue state acting illegally and it’s measures against the Ukraine are clearly misconceived.

But cool heads are needed, now more than ever.

It’s time for everyone to stand down and reach a compromise.

How many more people do we need to see killed.

The Russians can destroy the Ukraine with conventional weapons quite easily and obliterate the world, or parts thereof, beyond that.

You push your enemy into a corner, you make their daily lives unliveable, they conclude they have nothing to lose and they usually fight back.

If we miss a nuclear strike here, then we will get the nuclear winter within the year.

The west should take all opportunities to reduce the tension and restore peace in the region.

The Putin era is not forever and people need to appreciate that.

Many countries have tolerated a few years or decades of hardship and occupation of the whole or regions and have bounced back.

Stop the killing, end the war.
 

strider

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A move that will keep ratcheting up the pressure and tension, boxing Russia in further = more threat, death and destruction.

It’s all well intended but not thought through.
is it well intended? ..... these countries are suddenly desperate to join, but not before ..... I think there is alot of poking the bear going on - someone wants trouble - and I dare say someone is the USA, but they don't want to do it on their own cos they don't have an explicit legit reason to
 
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