OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

Look up Stepan Bandera.

Your point is what ? That you found a fascist?

 

[Avenger]

Your point is what ? That you found a fascist?

Watch that documentary you ignorant piece of shit. Bandera is mentioned early. Perhaps you could learn something and have a different perspective or God forbid, see another side of the argument. Yet you call me pigheaded. Have a great day.

 

[Gary Gutful]

He doesn’t really want you to have a great day @Gronk

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Bandera is now celebrated in Ukraine just like Ante Pavelić in some parts of Croatia. But hey it’s just all propaganda you left leaning know it all piece of garbage!

Not really.....there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support this...he doesn't seem to have majority mainstream support, and most of his supporters are far right wing groups.

Happy to be corrected, if there is further evidence other than what Stone is claiming.


"Bandera remains a highly controversial figure in Ukraine.[9] Many Ukrainians hail him as a role model hero,[10][11] or as a martyred liberation fighter,[12] while other Ukrainians, particularly in the south and east, condemn him as a fascist,[13] or Nazi collaborator,[10]whose followers, called Banderites, were responsible for massacres of Polish and Jewish civilians during World War II."

"On 22 January 2010, Viktor Yushchenko, the then president of Ukraine, awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine, which was widely condemned."

Stepan Bandera - Wikipedia

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"About 100 supporters of Shukhevych and Bandera gathered in Kyiv on August 2 in front of the court house to show their support for the two men to be allowed to maintain their official hero status."

Refworld | Ukrainian court rejects 'hero' status for nationalist leaders

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"There are few topics in contemporary European modern history which are so divisive and [contentious] as the status of Stepan Bandera," says historian Per Rudling of the University of Lund in Sweden."




"On that day, Ukrainian far-right activists march through the streets of Kyiv to celebrate the birth of Stepan Bandera (1909-1959)"

Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian anti-hero glorified following the Russian invasion

The Ukrainian ultranationalist who allied with Nazi Germany during WWII has experienced a resurgence in popularity because of his struggle against Russia and the Soviet Union.

www.lemonde.fr

"There are few figures in Ukrainian history as controversial as Stepan Bandera, and fewer still are able to influence so profoundly modern politics more than six decades after their death.

Bandera, who died in 1959 after being poisoned by Soviet agents, is seen as a national hero who fought for Ukrainian independence during the 1930s and 1940s. To others, he is a war criminal whose nationalist forces carried out atrocities against Jews and Poles during WW2."

In Ukraine, Stepan Bandera’s legacy is a political football... again

Six decades after Bandera's murder at the hands of Soviet agents in Munich, his life remains a key electoral issue in Ukraine. #UncoveringEurope

www.euronews.com

 

[Delboy]

Interesting just been told by salesman Minns to not use electricity between 3 pm and 8pm because the solar stops working and the grid worsens in output. Funny thing is winter when there is not a lot of solar , the need will be heating.

We sit on the brink of ongoing blackouts until there is acceptance that on call 24 hour despatchable electricity is a fundamental to our lives. Gas is being vilified by the Greens and Bowen, even a bio fuel , no emissions electricity generator is being stalled because it’s not wind or solar, somehow a resource rich country is being pushed into a worse standard of living, while China, India etc build coal fired power generation to support the currently unreliable renewables.

This may well become an election conversation with the split between inner city elites and everyone else.

 

[Avenger]

They won’t listen, @Delboy. Facing reality isn’t in their DNA. They’d rather cling to delusions, thinking smoke, mirrors, and rainbow unicorns will magically fix everything.

 

[Twizzle]

it's becoming like America in here, everything is US and THEM, and of course, the "other side" is always delusional

we've had this thread for 6 years and it has never been so divided

 

[Delboy]

They won’t listen, @Delboy. Facing reality isn’t in their DNA. They’d rather cling to delusions, thinking smoke, mirrors, and rainbow unicorns will magically fix everything.

The fact that Bowen is in charge of anything important is a stain on the Labor party, as for Chalmers spin where govt handouts are the only thing minimising inflation is further proof of people in jobs beyond their ability.

In a sense I’m more qualified than Chalmers, at least by tertiary qualifications is a BEc, not some crap about Keating. Yes, my degree was almost written on a stone tablet give how long ago it was, but if you can’t see through the spin and nonsense of Chalmers pushing things off budget etc then there’s no hope.

 

[Delboy]

it's becoming like America in here, everything is US and THEM, and of course, the "other side" is always delusional

we've had this thread for 6 years and it has never been so divided

There wasn’t an us and them when Hawke and Keating were in charge, there was balance in their politics which was sensible, this move to the left recently isn’t sustainable as evidenced around the rest of the world.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Interesting just been told by salesman Minns to not use electricity between 3 pm and 8pm because the solar stops working and the grid worsens in output. Funny thing is winter when there is not a lot of solar , the need will be heating.

We sit on the brink of ongoing blackouts until there is acceptance that on call 24 hour despatchable electricity is a fundamental to our lives. Gas is being vilified by the Greens and Bowen, even a bio fuel , no emissions electricity generator is being stalled because it’s not wind or solar, somehow a resource rich country is being pushed into a worse standard of living, while China, India etc build coal fired power generation to support the currently unreliable renewables.

This may well become an election conversation with the split between inner city elites and everyone else.

I am sure you were complaining back when this was also an issue when the Libs were in power at state and federal level....

https://dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/electricity-crisis-premier-gladys-berejiklian-cant-rule-out-summer-blackouts/news-story/53a9e7ed30283a14756b59d2ee5dde0a

 

[Twizzle]

There wasn’t an us and them when Hawke and Keating were in charge, there was balance in their politics which was sensible, this move to the left recently isn’t sustainable as evidenced around the rest of the world.

Right, thanks for clueing me in

I guess there is no chance that it could be caused by the right moving further to the right.

Its always the other guy's fault.

 

[Gronk]

Let's not let the truth get in the way of a cool story.

" The energy market operator called on the energy industry to cancel maintenance work amid a spate of unexpected outages at coal units."

Blackout risk lingers in NSW as coal outages hit

The tight electricity supply in the state follows an unusually large number of unexpected outages at coal power units.

www.afr.com

Who closed Liddell Power Station ? The government ? No, AGL because there's no money in burning coal. They are transitioning the site to the Hunter Energy Hub.

https://www.agl.com.au/about-agl/operations/agl-in-the-hunter?srsltid=AfmBOooEQp9U_a4p6jL8krw-YWMustJwWf1gIUOCWVdL7WUwBu9WQ_Kb

 

[Avenger]

There wasn’t an us and them when Hawke and Keating were in charge, there was balance in their politics which was sensible, this move to the left recently isn’t sustainable as evidenced around the rest of the world.

Those Labor leaders were proper reformists and a credit to their party and ideology. This current mob is as bad as the Turnbull led government that represented our side.

 

[Delboy]

Right, thanks for clueing me in

I guess there is no chance that it could be caused by the right moving further to the right.

It’s always the other guy's fault.

Maybe it’s caused by the left moving further to the left, given politicians like Wong and Albanese come from the far left faction, Gronk will continue to massage his leftish views through, after all this blog became an electoral platform for the hopeless Kamala, basically I'm not as far right as most on here think. I fear for the direction we are heading in, with the current lot in charge. ScoMo missed a chance , Turnbull was hopeless and here we are.

Not really worth putting a view that is right of centre as it seems you’re a target for the progressive socialists to aim at, nothing further to add until hopefully these almost Marxists are shown the door.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

SMH which is a Right leaning paper is saying that the power outages is from the aging coal fire power stations needing to be shut down for maintaince.

Blackout risk: State on alert due to hot weather, coal plant outages

The energy market operator’s warning exposes weaknesses in the grid’s reliability as Labor and the Coalition escalate their climate wars.

www.smh.com.au

 

[MarkInTheStands]

BTW a 3rd of NSW coal fire power stations being down for maintainance (4 out of 12 if I heard right on the news this morning) at one time is a managment issue, but since the electricty grid was sold off the goverment don't own it and as such can't make these decisions.

This is a corporate failure of a grand order but they will try to push it as a political problem to avert the blame.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

BTW a 3rd of NSW coal fire power stations being down for maintainance (4 out of 12 if I heard right on the news this morning) at one time is a managment issue, but since the electricty grid was sold off the goverment don't own it and as such can't make these decisions.

This is a corporate failure of a grand order but they will try to push it as a political problem to avert the blame.

Just to backup my claim

Sydney risks blackouts as heat soars and coal power plants falter

Sydneysiders have been asked to lower energy use after 3pm to avoid blackouts as the hottest November day since 2020 offers a stark demonstration of the unreliability of ageing coal power stations.

www.smh.com.au

Four of the 12 power-generation units at the state’s coal power plants are offline for maintenance and breakdowns, while demand is soaring because of the high demand for air-conditioning as the temperature is set to hit 34 degrees in the east of the city and 39 degrees in the west.

 

[Delboy]

You do,p realise that the intention of Bowen and his acolytes is to close all coal generation as soon as possible, the current issue outlines what is in our future.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

You do,p realise that the intention of Bowen and his acolytes is to close all coal generation as soon as possible, the current issue outlines what is in our future.

Nice try mate but again we have enough power stations and we generate enough power but they are down for "Maintaince" all at the same time.

1/3 of the power stations are down at the same time. MANAGMENT FAILURE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

 

[strider]

FMD you have a massive chip on your shoulder.

Smiths? Twistie? Dorito? ... i hope its nacho cheese