OT: Daniel Anderson

[Hanscholo]

The sad thing is not so much that Anderson wasn't given longer, which he should have been, but the reflex and populist fashion that they went about securing his replacement. Kearney was all the rage so they had to have him. Other clubs took a longer look, rather than just Melbourne Storm PR. Those other clubs are doing better, and a couple have unearthed really good first grade quality coaches.

It goes back to the hiring of Paul Osborne imo. I nearly lol'd the day you guys appointed that fool, his reputation for having a massive ego, a big mouth and for being a total incompetent was well known to most.

 

[Wise Old Eel]

The sad thing is not so much that Anderson wasn't given longer, which he should have been, but the reflex and populist fashion that they went about securing his replacement. Kearney was all the rage so they had to have him. Other clubs took a longer look, rather than just Melbourne Storm PR. Those other clubs are doing better, and a couple have unearthed really good first grade quality coaches.

It goes back to the hiring of Paul Osborne imo. I nearly lol'd the day you guys appointed that fool, his reputation for having a massive ego, a big mouth and for being a total incompetent was well known to most.

That post makes sense to me. Yes, Daniel Anderson is gone & we must move on but how long before the powers that be realise they f#cked up?

As much as certain people on this forum will now paint me as a Fitzy Loyalist (or some such crap), there will come a time (hopefully sooner rather than later) that this administration/board will have to pay the price for the position they have put us in (in reference to the NRL side, that is). You can talk structures and processes all you like but the simple fact of the matter is that we have gone backwards. Putting such faith in an inexerienced coach and a heavy emphasis on our juniors to pave the way to success is a big gamble. The "juniors only" thing did not work in the late 80's & early 90's. There is no guarantee it will work now. On top of that, the longer we struggle on the field, the more we are going to have to pay elite players to come here.

I really hope I am proven to be wrong but I see nothing but darks days ahead if nothing changes soon.

WOE

 

[Suitman]

That post makes sense to me. Yes, Daniel Anderson is gone & we must move on but how long before the powers that be realise they f#cked up?

That's the thing. Have they f**ked up though? I think you'll find that most people defending Kearney are saying that it's too early to call for his sacking, not that he is a great coach, yet.

I really hope I am proven to be wrong but I see nothing but darks days ahead if nothing changes soon.

WOE

LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Way too early to tell after only 2 failed seasons. Maybe at the end of next season we will be able to make a clearer judgement.

 

[Gronk]

That's the thing. Have they f**ked up though? I think you'll find that most people defending Kearney are saying that it's too early to call for his sacking, not that he is a great coach, yet.



LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

That's true. They're meeting in a phone booth in O'Connell Street right now if you want to ask them. ;-)

 

[Utey]

That's the thing. Have they f**ked up though? I think you'll find that most people defending Kearney are saying that it's too early to call for his sacking, not that he is a great coach, yet.



LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

LOL one of your best.

 

[Eels Dude]

Way too early to tell after only 2 failed seasons. Maybe at the end of next season we will be able to make a clearer judgement.

The thing is the longer we keep this goose the bigger hole the club digs itself into. Our performances over the past season and a half look like it's affecting our recruitment which makes the process to rebuild longer, and no doubt if we stay cemented to the bottom of the table that's going to affect crowds and also the club's membership drive for next year.

 

[Wise Old Eel]

That's the thing. Have they f**ked up though? I think you'll find that most people defending Kearney are saying that it's too early to call for his sacking, not that he is a great coach, yet.



LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

:lol: Well, I can't have myself being associated with those deathriders, can I now? :sarcasm:

In all seriousness, yes, I do not have any faith in Mr Kearney but if he was to turn it all around and build us into a force, I would be very happy. I have been a Parramatta Eels fan longer than many of the posters around here have been alive and all I want is to see my team in a position to challenge for the title the majority of the time.

If SK does hang around & we see this happening under his reign, then I will doff my hat to you, Poupou & those who believed. I am just of the opinion that you are going to be disappointed.

Go the Eels!

WOE

 

[Casper The Ghost]

That's the thing. Have they f**ked up though? I think you'll find that most people defending Kearney are saying that it's too early to call for his sacking, not that he is a great coach, yet.



LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

He's being sincere while you're presently showing up as a smart arse.

 

[strider]

LOL. The great get out clause.

Suity

you gotta love a good "i hope i'm proven wrong" :lol: :lol:

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I hope we continue along as we are.

 

[Eels Dude]

We're not that far from where we want to be. Only two more wins and we'll be equal second last.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That post makes sense to me. Yes, Daniel Anderson is gone & we must move on but how long before the powers that be realise they f#cked up?

Maybe they haven't? Some of us see a bright future for the club, and maybe the board do too.

The "juniors only" thing did not work in the late 80's & early 90's. There is no guarantee it will work now.

The difference is we are now scouting juniors from outside the immediate area, and we can afford to pay the best young talent to come and play for us.

 

[strider]

ok - SOO is over - lets get back to shit fightin about parra!! wooooooooooooo!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The thing is the longer we keep this goose the bigger hole the club digs itself into. Our performances over the past season and a half look like it's affecting our recruitment

It didn't hurt our recruitment last year, and there's still loads of uncontracted players.

How many of our off-contract players have signed with other clubs? Likewise, most uncontracted players at other clubs haven't signed anywhere yet either.

The big money, big name players are all locked up but we've already got Sandow and Hayne, with Hopoate on the way. We don't need more salary cap smashers. If our kids keep developing we won't even need many new first graders.

 

[strider]

still wondering who the kids are that are gonna step up .... in the past there were younsters who were deadset certainties to step up, I am just struggling to see who atm

 

[emjaycee]

still wondering who the kids are that are gonna step up .... in the past there were younsters who were deadset certainties to step up, I am just struggling to see who atm

I think our youngsters are already starting to step up.
Against the Sharks at our last start, we played well and took the points and everyone in here was saying how good we looked.
A quick look at the various 17 players we have used this year shows little difference between our “best game” – the Sharks in round 13 and our two worst games (Round 3 v Nth Qld – lost 42-6 and Round 9 v Bulldogs – lost 46-12). In fact, there are only 4 different players in Round 13 compared to our round 1 game versus the Broncos.

Difference from Round 1 to Round 13 – In: Hayne, Ryan, Smith, Paulo. Out: E Tonga, Lasalo, Horo, McGuire
Difference from Round 3 to Round 13 – In: Hayne, Ryan, Smith, Paulo, Out: W Tonga, Lasalo, McGuire, O’Hanlon
Difference from Round 9 to Round 13 – In: Blair, Smith. Out: W Tonga, McGuire
So the key differences are the return of Hayne and Smith from injury, the inclusion of two youngsters in Ryan and Paulo and more experience gained by Sio and Blair who were there in Round 1.

For next year we need to lock these 4 youngsters in (already done) and look at replacing the experience we are losing with players of similar or better skills and experience in order to support the further development of these youngsters (and others). Just because we haven’t announced any signings (except Kelly) doesn’t mean they aren’t made or aren’t being made.

We need to have some patience and trust in Nolan and his ability to recruit and retain and not continuously look to be all doom and gloom when we don't know the real story - yet.

And like others, I am happy to be proven right and will admit it if proven wrong over time.

 

[Wise Old Eel]

I think our youngsters are already starting to step up.
Against the Sharks at our last start, we played well and took the points and everyone in here was saying how good we looked.
A quick look at the various 17 players we have used this year shows little difference between our “best game” – the Sharks in round 13 and our two worst games (Round 3 v Nth Qld – lost 42-6 and Round 9 v Bulldogs – lost 46-12). In fact, there are only 4 different players in Round 13 compared to our round 1 game versus the Broncos.

Difference from Round 1 to Round 13 – In: Hayne, Ryan, Smith, Paulo. Out: E Tonga, Lasalo, Horo, McGuire
Difference from Round 3 to Round 13 – In: Hayne, Ryan, Smith, Paulo, Out: W Tonga, Lasalo, McGuire, O’Hanlon
Difference from Round 9 to Round 13 – In: Blair, Smith. Out: W Tonga, McGuire
So the key differences are the return of Hayne and Smith from injury, the inclusion of two youngsters in Ryan and Paulo and more experience gained by Sio and Blair who were there in Round 1.

For next year we need to lock these 4 youngsters in (already done) and look at replacing the experience we are losing with players of similar or better skills and experience in order to support the further development of these youngsters (and others). Just because we haven’t announced any signings (except Kelly) doesn’t mean they aren’t made or aren’t being made.

We need to have some patience and trust in Nolan and his ability to recruit and retain and not continuously look to be all doom and gloom when we don't know the real story - yet.

And like others, I am happy to be proven right and will admit it if proven wrong over time.

I have no problem putting some faith in someone who has been there and done it before. Having faith in Stephen Kearney is an entirely different matter. None of these measures where in place for any of the other coaches prior to Kearney, yet all of them got better results.

Regarding the future, how many juniors are going to want to come & join our club when offered the carrot "develop in our system and get to play under Stephen Kearney" (going on what we have seen so far)? And how many good NRL players are going to come to our club for a reasonable amount now?

Having patience is one thing but, at some point, you need to establish whether or not you are likely to reach your goal - and if how long that will actually take is worth the cost.

WOE

 

[Eels Dude]

I have no problem putting some faith in someone who has been there and done it before. Having faith in Stephen Kearney is an entirely different matter. None of these measures where in place for any of the other coaches prior to Kearney, yet all of them got better results.

Regarding the future, how many juniors are going to want to come & join our club when offered the carrot "develop in our system and get to play under Stephen Kearney" (going on what we have seen so far)? And how many good NRL players are going to come to our club for a reasonable amount now?

Having patience is one thing but, at some point, you need to establish whether or not you are likely to reach your goal - and if how long that will actually take is worth the cost.

WOE

You're probably the most logical poster in the forums WOE, always look forward to reading your posts.

I don't think there's anyone who lacks confidence in Nolan. He comes across very professional and knows his stuff. Unfortunately he's not going to get much success with the goose we have as head coach at the moment. No point in recruiting the best youngsters if you don't have someone on charge who can get the best out of them on a regular basis.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I have no problem putting some faith in someone who has been there and done it before. Having faith in Stephen Kearney is an entirely different matter. None of these measures where in place for any of the other coaches prior to Kearney, yet all of them got better results.

They all got better results because they were all going for the short-term, bandaid solution.

They also all had two genuine points of attack in Hayne and Mateo, and they all had a couple of rep-class outside backs amongst a very experienced edge defence.

Hindy and Fui were both younger as well. Both were superstars in their younger days.

Regarding the future, how many juniors are going to want to come & join our club when offered the carrot "develop in our system and get to play under Stephen Kearney" (going on what we have seen so far)? And how many good NRL players are going to come to our club for a reasonable amount now?

We'll know in the coming months. But our recruitment was good for this year despite performing poorly last year. I think you underestimate how much players are motivated by money - have a look at all the 'Kiwis' who are now 'Aussies' because they want the cash from playing Origin. Look at all the guys who went to the Titans this year, or to the Bulldogs when they sucked.

If we have to pay 'overs' then so be it. We've proven we'll only pay overs for players we really need, and we've got the spine covered. We can afford to splash out where it's needed because our focus on juniors gives us cheap depth.