OT: Gillard's deal with Wilkie may impact our club earnings

[Suitman]

i like the policy. sure it's not going to solve everything, but why not take that first step?

the only people who lose are the companies that are making a killing on it, and the businesses who have lazily come to rely on pokies.

denis was very unpopular here some time ago for sticking up for the pokies at our club, and for sticking up for the club industry agendas in general...

What's that got to do with anything? :?
Not one person who has replied to this thread has stuck up for the pokie industry.
This is nothing more than a cheap grab at power from Gillard.
Now, I'm off to the club to put a few bucks into the pokies.

Suity

 

[HevyDevy]

It does not address the problem. If you have an addictive personality, you need to address your addictive personality issues.

More importantly, it is yet another example of hurting the majority to help the minority (and ironically failing to do even that).

The problem that a lot of problem gamblers have is that they blame poker machines, or the casino or the bookies or whoever else for letting them gamble when in-fact they themselves are the only ones that can take the necessary steps to stop.

A government throwing barriers up will make it difficult for those that enjoy gambling but don't have any problem with it, while the problem gamblers will go in search of ways around the barriers.

 

[Stewie]

I think this policy will hurt everyone except problem Gamblers which have many more gambling options. I am 32 and have played them 3 times but do realise what they provide the communities with eg; youth sport sponsorship,entertainment and affordable dining etc. I often take my wife and kids to the club because it's a relaxing affordable place to have a meal and a few beers. Having the pokies keeps the cost down.I currently work and have lived in W.A.There's no pokies there and I believe there's a lack of things to do of an evening unless you go to the City or Fremantle.Hasn't stopped W.A from having problem gamblers. When my mates from Perth come here they are all blown away by clubs and all say they would love to have them there. I reckon what they provide far outweighs the negatives and the government should focus on larger social issues like drug abuse and crime which cost tax payers billions instead of pokies that create billions in revenue. The TAB will be rubbing their hands together.

 

[fish eel]

I dont understand how it can 'hurt' anyone.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Just on a side note. I noticed somewhere that Luke Edge is the Gaming General Manager at the club. If this is the same Luke Edge who I used to work with at Star City they have got a very good operater. He is the best in the business.

 

[bartman]

What's that got to do with anything? :?

why are you so bothered that i wrote it?

This is nothing more than a cheap grab at power from Gillard.

as fish explained, it's good policy not just a grab. a shame that it's taken an independent and a hung parliament to get labor to have some balls and take on this parasitic part of the gaming industry, imo.

wasn't impressed with the 3rd floor beverage queues last time (still, despite promises), so i'm not off to the club today.

 

[Stewie]

I dont understand how it can 'hurt' anyone.

The NSW Government is already struggling, Imagine taking off them what they recieve from clubs. Revenue that is included in their budgets every year.We will all have to make up the shortfall with increased taxes. All because some people can't control how much money they put into a machine.

 

[fish eel]

The NSW Government is already struggling, Imagine taking off them what they recieve from clubs. Revenue that is included in their budgets every year.We will all have to make up the shortfall with increased taxes.

weaning state governments off gambling revenues is a good thing.

In anycase, poker machine revenue makes up less than 4% of the NSW Government's budget revenue, so it's not like there would be a massive hit

As I mentioned earlier, Victoria had already announced they were doing the pre committment thing and there are I believe trial programs ups and running in SA and possibly qld.

All because some people can't control how much money they put into a machine.

the state will be better off in the long run.

A victorian study (vic dept of justice) found a direct link between poker machine addiction (not general gambling, pokie specific) and crime, in fact it found that poker machines were the second biggest driver of crime behind drugs.

 

[HevyDevy]

why are you so bothered that i wrote it?


as fish explained, it's good policy not just a grab. a shame that it's taken an independent and a hung parliament to get labor to have some balls and take on this parasitic part of the gaming industry, imo.

wasn't impressed with the 3rd floor beverage queues last time (still, despite promises), so i'm not off to the club today.

It's not good policy at all because, quite simply, it does not address the problem.

 

[HevyDevy]

A victorian study (vic dept of justice) found a direct link between poker machine addiction (not general gambling, pokie specific) and crime, in fact it found that poker machines were the second biggest driver of crime behind drugs.

Absolutely, but you do realise that it's the gamblers that are the problem Fishy, not the poker machines. Any solution needs to target the gamblers, not the entire community.

 

[fish eel]

Absolutely, but you do realise that it's the gamblers that are the problem Fishy, not the poker machines. Any solution needs to target the gamblers, not the entire community.

But, my point remains there are specific problems around pokies. People whose gambling problems are directly related to their issues with poker machines. People that dont jump online on the spur of the moment but have that addiction around sitting like a zombie in front on a pokie. That Victorian study I mentioned found a direct correlation between poker machines specifically and crime.

 

[HevyDevy]

But, my point remains there are specific problems around pokies. People whose gambling problems are directly related to their issues with poker machines. People that dont jump online on the spur of the moment but have that addiction around sitting like a zombie in front on a pokie. That Victorian study I mentioned found a direct correlation between poker machines specifically and crime.

Yes Fishy I'm not arguing with you on any of the points you raise there. I'm simply saying that limiting the amount that people gamble on poker machines has two big drawbacks:

1) And this is the key point in all of this - it doesn't stop these people from using them. If someone has a problem with pokies, they need help to stop altogether. This doesn't provide that.

2) It punishes people that enjoy playing the pokies, can afford to do so and like to bet big.

 

[Suitman]

denis was very unpopular here some time ago for sticking up for the pokies at our club, and for sticking up for the club industry agendas in general...

What's that got to do with anything? :?

Suity

why are you so bothered that i wrote it?

Not bothered, but as I asked, I'm just wondering why that particular comment had anything to do with the discussion at hand. Please answer, rather than just be dismissive

as fish explained, it's good policy not just a grab. a shame that it's taken an independent and a hung parliament to get labor to have some balls and take on this parasitic part of the gaming industry, imo.

........and Fish and I and HJ had a fairly reasoned discussion about it all on Saturday afternoon at Sterlo's, before the game. Shame you weren't there for a chat as well. It's been a while since we've caught up.

wasn't impressed with the 3rd floor beverage queues last time (still, despite promises), so i'm not off to the club today.

That's a shame as well. There weren't any queue's like there has been before, all afternoon, and that's not to do with crowd numbers. Extra bar staff seemed to have quelled the problem. I only hope that they continue that excellent service in the future. Plastic cups or not.




Suity

 

[bartman]

Not bothered, but as I asked, I'm just wondering why that particular comment had anything to do with the discussion at hand. Please answer, rather than just be dismissive

It seemed relevant to me.... Reading this thread reminded me instantly of past similar discussions, and so a comment on the past discussions seemed appropriate. When it's a forum discussion, I don't think any comment someone chooses to make is irrelevant - if I don't like a sentence, I just read on and let it go.

........and Fish and I and HJ had a fairly reasoned discussion about it all on Saturday afternoon at Sterlo's, before the game. Shame you weren't there for a chat as well. It's been a while since we've caught up.

Indeed Suit. I chatted with HJ before the previous home game, Fish and I haven't been in the club at the same time this year.

That's a shame as well. There weren't any queue's like there has been before, all afternoon, and that's not to do with crowd numbers. Extra bar staff seemed to have quelled the problem. I only hope that they continue that excellent service in the future. Plastic cups or not.

Good to hear. I'd call it improved service rather than excellent though, the queues the game before were prohibitive, and I reckon the club lost (potential) money that day with people there simply deciding not to have a drink.

Plastic cups don't bother me at all, but they didn't help that day (which was a sell out in advance - extra staff is definitely the go.

 

[Tank30]

Yes Fishy I'm not arguing with you on any of the points you raise there. I'm simply saying that limiting the amount that people gamble on poker machines has two big drawbacks:

1) And this is the key point in all of this - it doesn't stop these people from using them. If someone has a problem with pokies, they need help to stop altogether. This doesn't provide that.

2) It punishes people that enjoy playing the pokies, can afford to do so and like to bet big.

I agree 100%. This is why all illegal drugs like heroin, coke and ecstasy should be legal. It really doesn't matter how many lives they destroy, just so that people who can afford to can get high when they want to.

There are a lot of problem gamblers whose addiction, for whatever reason, if pokie specific. I think it is because of the instant gratification involved and this does not translate to online or offline poker, horses, sports betting or any other kind. This is why these machines should be slowed down or, in my opinion, reduced in number by about 80%. You ever notice that the last place in a pub or club that is open is the pokies area? you wonder why that is??

And to say that problem gamblers will turn to online gaming is crap, look at the highest gambling areas in sydney and then look at the lowest socio-economic areas of sydney. See the places match up? Most problem, pokies, gamblers I know (and I know a heap) don't have computers or internet connections as they can't afford either one.

 

[Gronk]

The Harry Jenkins / Peter Slipper Speaker deal will have a significant effect in the Wilkie pokie reforms. In essence Julia has an extra seat (vote) now and can tell Wilikie to f**k orf. That's the way i see it anyway.

 

[mickdo]

The Harry Jenkins / Peter Slipper Speaker deal will have a significant effect in the Wilkie pokie reforms. In essence Julia has an extra seat (vote) now and can tell Wilikie to f**k orf. That's the way i see it anyway.

While that's true, it also means that now they only need one less independent's vote to get it thru the lower house, which actually makes it easier to pass the pokie legislation

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Lucky we are not reliant on the pokies now.

 

[ParraAds]

Just on a side note. I noticed somewhere that Luke Edge is the Gaming General Manager at the club. If this is the same Luke Edge who I used to work with at Star City they have got a very good operater. He is the best in the business.

I think his name is Luke Walker. Don't know him from a bar of soap though.

 

[Gronk]

Lucky we are not reliant on the pokies now.

Exactly. Thankfully we are the family club now. :sarcasm:

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