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Is it unpatriotic to say I don’t really care at all about an Olympic medal for Rugby 7s ? Suppose they are opening up the Olympics for all sorts these days, but it doesn’t feel Olympic for me. I love cricket as well but will feel the same with that at the 2028 Olympics
 

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Is it unpatriotic to say I don’t really care at all about an Olympic medal for Rugby 7s ? Suppose they are opening up the Olympics for all sorts these days, but it doesn’t feel Olympic for me. I love cricket as well but will feel the same with that at the 2028 Olympics
We're supposed to win our medals sitting down, it's the NZ way.

The mens team were so awful in the one game I watched (which they won) that I'm glad I don't care for 7s. But in all honesty I don't really care about the Olympics, we have the TV's at work to channel 9 so I'm seeing more of this years version but I usually only watch the 100m.
 

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'Sweet Caroline' is at the Olympics too. Is it getting thrashed to death?

On another note the Aussie coverage is murder, as discussed. It's always at its worst in the first week, during the swimming. They've always done it but the commentators refer to the Aussie competitors by their first names. Like they're our friends or family.
 

JJ

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Is it unpatriotic to say I don’t really care at all about an Olympic medal for Rugby 7s ? Suppose they are opening up the Olympics for all sorts these days, but it doesn’t feel Olympic for me. I love cricket as well but will feel the same with that at the 2028 Olympics
No, I agree, it’s not the same imo. But those girls are terrific.

felt a bit for Sam Gaze, and really hope Wilde can get up tonight….
 

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Sevens doesn't feel like an Olympic sport to me, either...but my girls worship the Black Ferns so I am right into it. I can't believe cricket is in 2028, that's rank. And breakdancing, please.

However...I absolutely bloody love the Olympics. Obsessed with it. I'm a person who loves stories, people and moments, and the Olympics does it. Just finished watching Wilde's race, gutted I didn't stay up. What a champion bloke. Incredible, the commentator actually called gold for NZ before Yee kicked and got him. And I love Erika Fairweather's attitude, 20 years old, almost medaled in the 400m in a power-packed field.

Bring on the athletics from tonight, I think it is.

And if anyone wants an intriguing watch, the Simone Biles doco on Netflix about her issues in Tokyo is gripping.
 

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Sevens doesn't feel like an Olympic sport to me, either...but my girls worship the Black Ferns so I am right into it. I can't believe cricket is in 2028, that's rank. And breakdancing, please.

yeah definitely too many sports in there for me now
 

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Great win by the Sevens side, for a country our size we really should celebrate any gold medal, even if it turns out to be the only one we win.

Halberg and Snell were freaks in a small window before greater runners from Africa etc emerged who arguably used the Lydiard method (the controversy is that African runners do the Lydiard method naturally in terms of stamina and Arthur's world influence had nothing to do with that).

That aside there is no debate that Arthur Lydiard created NZs greatest runners we all know Lydiard revolutionized running by making endurance the base of all running sports in the middle distance sphere. Which is why countries like Finland credit Lydiard for his influence.



The New Zealand attitude and tall poppy mentality around Olympics goes like this:

Anything less than gold is a failure.

Any narrative that does not tie into this idea of punching well above our weight is a fail.

All NZ Olympians have to meet the national cultural identity by being humble and complete supplicants to the NZ media machine.

Ergo Snell was driven out of NZ as a private person by the media circus and constant public scrutiny.

Arthur Lydiard buggered off when NZ expectations demanded that he repeat his once in a century miracles every Olympics. This is a guy that was a revolutionary in world running coaches, a literal genius ahead of the rest of the planet, yet our culture sent him offshore.

John Walker hated the NZ media because as an outspoken confident personality he was labelled arrogant (I was close friends with Johns sister Margaret, a theater Nurse at Middlemore).

Then along came Danyon Loader the greatest NZ Olympian ever.

But the NZ narrative will not tell you that, the NZ narrative will say the middle distance runners Snell and Halberg are the best this country has eve produced.

That is absolute rubbish.

Loader won gold in the premier event in world swimming free style, he broke the world record in the two hundred then broke the world record in the four hundred, proving he was the sprint king and endurance king of the sexy events in the pool.

Loader is the only fastest New Zealander in the pool in any event, and he did it in two freestyle races. He was such an incredible athlete that he won Silver in the Butterfly, that would be equivalent to Snell and Halberg winning Silver in the hurdles (a completely different discipline).

Unfortunately for Loader he was on the Autistic spectrum, and at that time Paul Holmes was the voice of New Zealand.

Loader refused multiple Holmes show interview requests, which Holmes weaponized to call him arrogant, the same accusation that drove Snell to become an American college lecturer.

When Loader finally took that Holmes show interview Holmes attacked him.

So yeah, from my insights into the Olympics, New Zealand is a appalling country to try to be an Olympian because it is one of the only countries in the world that attacks its own athletes.

Something Australia never does, they circle the wagons and have the biggest and greatest ever bandwagon exceptionalism cheer leader squad in the Southern Hemisphere.

Loader is the GOAT because swimming is like running in the two hundred and four hundred with long periods where you are not allowed to breath during your Sprint.

Stuff all track sprinters would survive that war against water that Swimmers live in.

And Loader is the GOAT because in swimming every single event is decided in the hundreths of a second metric which means every single movement of your body has to be perfect in every single stroke. No Runner like Halberg, Snell, or Walker had to hold their breath for half the race and make every single stride technically perfect while crossing the finish line with four or five runners one half of one second apart from you.
 
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JJ

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Gee I don't want to sound like a tosser on this topic like am some kinda expert, but by virtue of pure genetic lottery Olympians are many in my family. Nothing I ever did or earned has anything to do with that fact, rather a freak of coincidence and circumstance has some how weirdly left a nobody like me with Olympic connections and family roots.

A great great uncle first started the family Olympic thing in the 1920's running for NZ. Then me cousins the Kendals made waves in my life time, and another cousin swum for our country got the NZ record in the pool as a teen and raced in a couple of Olympics.

I know I have posted rants before about being a parent of a kid on an Olympic track, but I don't do it to take any kind of lime light or silly soccer dad Ballet mum credit, rather I hope I am shedding light on the life style that creates these incredible athletes and the stark contrast between the Olympic model and the Rugby codes.

Great win by the Sevens side, for a country our size we really should celebrate any gold medal, even if it turns out to be the only one we win.

Halberg and Snell were freaks in a small window before greater runners from Africa etc emerged who arguably used the Lydiard method (the controversy is that African runners do the Lydiard method naturally in terms of stamina and Arthur's world influence had nothing to do with that).

That aside there is no debate that Arthur Lydiard created NZs greatest runners we all know Lydiard revolutionized running by making endurance the base of all running sports in the middle distance sphere. Which is why countries like Finland credit Lydiard for his influence.

I was fortunate through work to be Arthur's wife's friend, so through her I got to know him personally.

Any rant from me is coming with some argument and criticism so here goes....

The New Zealand attitude and tall poppy mentality around Olympics goes like this:

Anything less than gold is a failure.

Any narrative that does not tie into this idea of punching well above our weight is a fail.

All NZ Olympians have to meet the national cultural identity by being humble and complete supplicants to the NZ media machine.

Ergo Snell was driven out of NZ as a private person by the media circus and constant public scrutiny.

Arthur Lydiard buggered off when NZ expectations demanded that he repeat his once in a century miracles every Olympics. This is a guy that was a revolutionary in world running coaches, a literal genius ahead of the rest of the planet, yet our culture sent him offshore.

John Walker hated the NZ media because as an outspoken confident personality he was labelled arrogant (I was close friends with Johns sister Margaret, a theater Nurse at Middlemore).

Then along came Danyon Loader the greatest NZ Olympian ever.

But the NZ narrative will not tell you that, the NZ narrative will say the middle distance runners Snell and Halberg are the best this country has eve produced.

That is absolute rubbish.

Loader won gold in the premier event in world swimming free style, he broke the world record in the two hundred then broke the world record in the four hundred, proving he was the sprint king and endurance king of the sexy events in the pool.

Loader is the only fastest New Zealander in the pool in any event, and he did it in two freestyle races. He was such an incredible athlete that he won Silver in the Butterfly, that would be equivalent to Snell and Halberg winning Silver in the hurdles (a completely different discipline).

Unfortunately for Loader he was on the Autistic spectrum, and at that time Paul Holmes was the voice of New Zealand.

Loader refused multiple Holmes show interview requests, which Holmes weaponized to call him arrogant, the same accusation that drove Snell to become an American college lecturer.

When Loader finally took that Holmes show interview Holmes attacked him.

So yeah, from my insights into the Olympics, New Zealand is a appalling country to try to be an Olympian because it is one of the only countries in the world that attacks its own athletes.

Something Australia never does, they circle the wagons and have the biggest and greatest ever bandwagon exceptionalism cheer leader squad in the Southern Hemisphere.

Loader is the GOAT because swimming is like running in the two hundred and four hundred with long periods where you are not allowed to breath during your Sprint.

Stuff all track sprinters would survive that war against water that Swimmers live in.

And Loader is the GOAT because in swimming every single event is decided in the hundreths of a second metric which means every single movement of your body has to be perfect in every single stroke. No Runner like Halberg, Snell, or Walker had to hold their breath for half the race and make every single stride technically perfect while crossing the finish line with four or five runners one half of one second apart from you.
I think Loader’s records were in the short pools, not the 50m pools?

as to the greatest Olympian, he’s in the mix, but it’s very debatable…. I won’t bother with a list, but several obvious other candidates including Snell, you’re “absolute rubbish “ claim is a bit OTT there
 
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The rowers remain exceptional, speaking of greatest ever Hamish Bond was up there
Going into this, there wasn’t much talk of a lot of Hope about this rowing squad, over delivering again

The twins can probably get a mention in that greatest chat as well
 
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Blair

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I'm even watching golf and I hate golf!

Lydia is always a chance at the Olympics. She just seems to lift.
 

sup42

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I think Loader’s records were in the short pools, not the 50m pools?

as to the greatest Olympian, he’s in the mix, but it’s very debatable…. I won’t bother with a list, but several obvious other candidates including Snell, you’re “absolute rubbish “ claim is a bit OTT there

The Rubbish I am referring to is that Loader is not part of the conversation with the two most celebrated Olympians in New Zealand history, I am not saying that Snell or Halberg do not deserve their status.
 

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