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OT: Parra Stadium sharing

bartman

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The A-League may not be around in 5 years when/if Lowy cuts the cord, it's a loss-making enterprise. The AFL also seem to have temporarily retreated from their Greater West Sydney location at Blacktown, and primarily based that side out of Homebush.

Any case for a Parramatta (or Penrith) Stadium upgrade needs to be be based on planning around future population demongraphics, and with its record of sustainability the NRL has to play the main role in pushing the case for funding to create a major Western Sydney stadium.

Hopefully it can be at Parramatta - it just makes sense. Penrith can have an upgrade 15 years later :D.
 

Suitman

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Richard Hinds finally gets it right.

Particularly this bit.

Now the important part. Ensuring government interest incited partly by the rise of the Western Sydney Wanderers and the NRL’s improved lobbying is not squandered.
And, remember, that has happened before. Allowing the AFL to hijack the development of the Olympic stadium and create a venue that does not cater adequately for the week-to-week demands of the NRL is a stain on Sydney’s sporting history.
So how do we ensure the next great opportunity to rebuild Sydney’s sporting landscape is not wasted?
Stadium Group Australia wants $250 million in taxpayer funds for a $350 million redevelopment of ANZ Stadium. They shouldn’t get $2.50 unless they can guarantee they are not just putting lipstick on a pig.
That means proving that a redeveloped ANZ Stadium would provide a far more intimate atmosphere for NRL — and, potentially, A-League and Super Rugby — games with crowds of between 20,000 and 35,000; and that it would not just continue to be a fitting stage for special events watched by sold out crowds such as the NRL grand final, Bledisloe Cup and World Cup qualifiers.
And this.....

If that means a reconfiguration that would exclude the Swans who are no longer filling the venue for their occasional home and away games and finals, so be it.
I doubt you would get much complaint from their inner-eastern and lower north-shore supporters who are relishing the comfort of the expanded and refurbished SCG.
But if there is no guarantee ANZ Stadium would be a substantially more atmospheric and attractive venue for club football, all eyes should turn to nearby Parramatta.
Pirtek Stadium is set for a paltry $29 million upgrade that will increase capacity marginally and give the popular but run-down ground a minor facelift. So instead of Botox let’s give the place plastic surgery.
The Wanderers, with their growing and wonderfully eclectic supporter base, are suddenly a potent political force in the west.
Wisely the Eels are riding on their coat-tails in a joint effort to have Pirtek Stadium rebuilt — a venture the NRL should back to the hilt, particularly if it is not convinced ANZ Stadium will become an attractive alternative for home and away games.
But building a stadium is a once-in-a-generation opportunity that must allow for the growth in attendance a new venue itself would accelerate.
To be worthwhile New Parramatta Stadium must cater for up to 40,000 fans in comfort with extensive corporate hospitality areas replacing the current tinny-in-an-Esky boxes.

Some believe the current location is not big enough for a new stadium and the associated infrastructure. Yet it would be an enormous mistake to abandon the central Parramatta hub and take Wanderland to a waste land.
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The Wanderers’ growing fan base puts Pirtek Stadium in a good position to secure upgrade funding. Pic: Mark Evans Source: News Limited

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/foo...for-common-sense/story-fnk9a3dc-1227131693979
 
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I'd be very surprised if there wasn't sufficient room for a 35,000 seat stadium. After all, you only have to increase the diameter of a circle a little bit to massively increase its volume. How many mathematicians do we have on this board? Perhaps they can tell us.
 

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I'd be very surprised if there wasn't sufficient room for a 35,000 seat stadium. After all, you only have to increase the diameter of a circle a little bit to massively increase its volume. How many mathematicians do we have on this board? Perhaps they can tell us.

I've said it before. Just relocate the pool and its car park and there is more than enough space for a decent stadium there. It wouldn't even require a complete rebuild.

St James Park, Newcastle United. Hardly any space with listed residential surrounding, yet 53000 capacity.
It can be done, with the will.

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Tony Bongo

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Someone needs to educate David Smith with regards to the contracts signed with ANZ prior to its construction.
Parra Stadium cannot be larger than 35000.
Allianz cannot be larger than 48000.

http://www.treasury.nsw.gov.au/__da...ralia_updated_contracts_summary_June_2002.pdf

See page 19.

There are so many options for ANZ to scuttle these developments, including amazingly, something as simple as an extra 5% more cover for seats at Allianz. Therefore - no roof there.
If Dave Smith's wishes happened, there would be a massive compensation payout to ANZ. His dreams ain't gonna happen.

The Wanderers and Parra just need to keep pressing for a bigger upgrade than what has currently had funds allocated for. We should be looking at at least 30000. Considering this will be the last upgrade to the stadium for 30-50 years, we should be pushing for the 35000 allowed under the ANZ contract.
BTW, the ANZ contract is in effect until 2031.

Suity

So in 17 years (about the same time as the current upgrade will be finished) we can increase Parra Stadium's capacity beyond 35000. I'm sure 35000 should suffice until then.
BTW - Great to see the Swans ditch ANZ! That puts a massive dent in ANZ's plans for further upgrades.:D
 
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Tomorrow's daily stadium news report......

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-sw...iums-redevelopment-hopes-20141124-11swea.html

Sydney Swans SCG deal may hurt ANZ Stadium's redevelopment hopes

Date November 24, 2014 - 9:09PM

The Sydney Swans have emerged as beneficiaries in the battle between the SCG and ANZ Stadium on the eve of a major stadium funding announcement by the NSW government.
News of the Swans' new 30-year agreement with the SCG comes as the Baird Government prepares to release details of its $600 million long-term stadium strategy for Sydney's major sporting venues.
It is expected ANZ Stadium will receive a sizeable sum of taxpayer dollars though short of the $250 million it had been requesting to help fund its $350 million redevelopment plan.
But there is also growing belief ANZ Stadium will come under fierce competition from Allianz Stadium, with plans to turn the Moore Park ground into a 60,000 capacity venue, an upgrade of Parramatta's Pirtek Stadium and the construction of another ground in western Sydney.
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The Swans' deal has also reignited tensions between the SCG Trust and ANZ Stadium.
Privately, officials at Moore Park believe they are not in competition with their Homebush counterparts. They believe ANZ Stadium's true competitors lie further west.
The Swans' 15-year association with the Olympic venue will end in 2016 after it was announced on Monday that it had signed a 30-year agreement with the SCG Trust to play all its home games and finals at the venue from 2017.
While ANZ Stadium released a statement wishing the Swans well, there is a belief the timing of the announcement was designed to hurt the venue's bid for $250 million from the Baird government to help build a retractable roof and turn the venue into a rectangular ground. But it's believed the deal was finalised only late last week.
The new agreement with the Swans, who draw the largest average home crowds of any football team in Sydney, is tipped to lead to future refurbishment at the SCG for the Brewongle and Churchill stands.
There could also be ramifications for cricket with the SCG Trust leaving the door ajar for the introduction of a drop-in pitch, of which former chairman Rodney Cavalier was a steadfast opponent.
But it appears the current board, led by Tony Shepherd, who is chairman of AFL club Greater Western Sydney, has a more sympathetic view.
"There's a great old saying those people who remember their history last a lot longer than those that don't. We've done our very best here to keep everybody's memories clear about the heritage," said the Trust's deputy chairman Rod McGeoch.
"I don't think the Trust will ever give up on that but we are in the 21st century, we're obliged to give our hirers the best experience we can possibly give them and somewhere in there we're going to have to land on an answer but it hasn't hit our board or the Trust yet."
The Swans hierarchy told Trust management during negotiations of their wish for a drop-in wicket, as that would eliminate the prospect of glue pots in the event of heavy rain during the football season.
The fact the Trust is entertaining the idea is symbolic of the greater pull the Swans now have with the venue.
One of the reasons the club decided to play some of their home games at the Olympic stadium was to improve its bargaining position with the Trust.
The Swans made the long-term decision after conducting "extensive market research" with their membership base, "particularly focusing on players in the west and Hills district where we have many, many members", said club chairman Andrew Pridham.
Pridham said the club had no concerns fans would be locked out of the 48,000 capacity SCG during finals. The club drew 48,029 for its preliminary final against North Melbourne this year and two years ago attracted 57,156 when it beat Collingwood for a berth in the 2012 grand final.
"If we can fill this venue to capacity, the atmosphere this creates to fan experience is unbelievable," Pridham said.
"That then drives membership going forward. We're very, very comfortable with the size of this stadium. The trend globally is for stadiums this size as opposed to larger stadiums."
 

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So, a projected $600 million for state stadium upgrades. Surely we could snag $100 million of that for a 10 000 capacity increase?

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Suitman

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So, the $600 million figure keeps coming up......

http://www.ultimatealeague.com/fixtures.php?season=2012-13&round=1

Mike Baird’s holy Allianz: $1.2 billion for stadium upgrades and light rail link








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THE Baird government will spend $600 million on Sydney’s stadiums, with Moore Park’s Allianz Stadium the big winner in a more-than-doubled $1.2 billion Sports and Cultural Fund bankrolled by the sale of the electricity networks.

About $300 million is expected to be spent on Allianz — raising the hopes of NRL chief executive David Smith who wants a 65,000-seat main rugby league stadium there — with the remainder to be divided between ANZ Stadium at Homebush and Parramatta Stadium.

STATE’S $1 BILLION RAIL PROMISE FOR THE WEST

ANZ STADIUM’S $350M REDEVELOPMENT PLAN


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An artist’s impression of the hi-tech plan for Allianz Stadium / Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied






The government will certainly spend money on Parramatta Stadium — up to the $300 million mooted there to build a 40,000-seat stadium. However, it is likely to spend less than what ANZ Stadium wants on the Homebush facility, despite its owners releasing plans for a $350 million upgrade, which would ­include a retractable roof and would bring fans closer to the action.
The $600 million package will be the government response to the State Infrastructure Strategy to be announced as early as today. It would be part of $20 billion the government says it will ­secure if it gets a mandate to sell-off the electricity networks by winning next March’s state election.
A final decision on how much money Parramatta and Homebush will get is expected during the election ­campaign. The marginal Liberal seats of Parramatta, Granville, Prospect and Strathfield are all expected to be ­affected by that announcement.




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The news of a possible snub to Homebush comes with the Sydney Swans announcing yesterday that they will stop playing at the stadium at the end of 2016. It also follows The Daily Telegraph’s revelations that Mr Smith wanted Allianz to be the prime stadium with Parramatta to be upgraded. A Daily Telegraph online poll yesterday showed the most favoured option for rugby league fans was a revamp at ANZ.
Increasing the Sports and Cultural Fund from $500 million to $1.2 billion is also set to allow upgrades of the Opera House and Art Gallery, which the premier foreshadowed to The Daily Telegraph last month.
The announcement will reveal that the government will reserve $1.2 ­billion for sports and cultural infrastructure, up from $500 million in May.
The government says “of this amount, $600 million is reserved for stadiums, the focus of this investment will be on Moore Park and Western Sydney, the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust will be tasked with finalising upgrade plans for Allianz Stadium.


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Allianz Stadium and the Sydney Cricket Ground / Picture: Gregg Porteous Source: News Corp Australia






“The government will assess ­options for rectangular stadiums at Parramatta/Sydney Olympic Park.”
The State Infrastructure Strategy is the five-year plan to be presented to the government by Infrastructure NSW.
“Rebuilding NSW will ensure that, as our community and economy grow, NSW residents have the best in water, transport, education, health, sports and arts infrastructure,” Premier Mike Baird said yesterday.
The government has already pledged funds from the $20 billion to be reaped from the 49 per cent lease of the electricity poles and wires to a second harbour rail tunnel and north and south extensions to the West Connex motorway. A third of the $20 billion will be spent on regional areas.

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DOES Mike Baird want to be portrayed as the ­Olympic stadium wrecker?
That’s the risk now facing the Premier, with the latest State Infrastructure Strategy expected to pit Sydney Olympic Park against Parramatta Stadium in the race for funding.
The report will set aside $600 million to be spent between Allianz, the Olympic Park’s ANZ Stadium and Parramatta.
While Premier Baird is committing his government to devoting a significant portion of that money to redevelop Moore Park’s Allianz, he wants to do a cost-benefit analysis on whether money should be spent on ANZ or building a new Parramatta stadium for A-League heavyweights, Western Sydney Wanderers.
If ANZ misses out on significant funds, it will be the beginning of the end for the Olympic stadium.
The government could be forced to buy back the lease from the private operator and would then either run it at a huge loss for a handful of events a year or knock it down and turn it into apartments.
For now the Premier wants another study, ­delaying the decision, but hopefully not until after the March election.
The government already has a stadium report — written in 2012 and recommending taxpayers’ money be focused towards Sydney’s most important stadiums, Allianz and ANZ. Sport Minister Stuart Ayres said months ago this was his focus.
The Premier should make a decision and get on with it — $250 million each to Allianz and ANZ and $100 million to bring the existing Parramatta Stadium up to 30,000 seats. We want our Premier to score some goals, not play for time
 
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T.S Quint

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A Daily Telegraph online poll yesterday showed the most favoured option for rugby league fans was a revamp at ANZ.

I'm guessing a lot of Souths and Canterbury supporters voted in this poll.
 

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The government could be forced to buy back the lease from the private operator and would then either run it at a huge loss for a handful of events a year or knock it down and turn it into apartments.

How can someone be forced to buy back a lease?
Sorry, but I'm not sure how that works. The private owners lease it to try and make a profit. If it stops making a profit then they can just offload it? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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I think part of the ANZ contract relates to Allianz, and so the upgrade to 60,000 at Allianz breaks that contract, meaning the givt. either has to be pay compensation or buy back the lease.
 

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Vote for me and I'll upgrade your stadium. F**k you d!ckhead, do it now and then I'll vote for you when I see the bulldozers break soil.
 

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wait a second are you saying ANZ can dictate the size of other competing stadiums which idiot signed this contract?

Can't remember whether it was the Fahey Govt, or the Labour govt that followed them, who signed the contracts, but yes, ANZ CAN dictate the size of competitive stadiums, otherwise, they are in for a massive compenstation payout.


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