OT: Wooden spoon betting

[Parra Steve]

Maybe the guys who got jailed in 02 for the dogs are working for the storm now

 

[MarkInTheStands]

From that Article Gronk, the Storm have had breaches of the Salary cap every year from 2000 - 2004 and again in 2008, totalling $446,500. Now they could be hit again.

No one doubts the need for the Storm, but it looks like for a long time they have not be playing by the rules, and this puts there 2009 premiership in doubt.

I want to highlight, that if they were found out before the finals, it is not a forgone conclusion we would have won it, indeed it would have made for a completely different finals series, so no one knows how that would have went.

 

[Jake the snake]

Todd Lowrie took them over the cap......

 

[eel01s]

Did the Bulldogs lose the "good behaviour bond" from 2008 in 2009? If not, why not.

Also, what's the bet (pardon the pun) that if the Storm are over the cap, they will only be fined and not lose any points.

 

[Suitman]

Todd Lowrie took them over the cap......

How's that possible. He's paying them, isn't he?? :lol:

Suity

 

[Gronk]

From that Article Gronk, the Storm have had breaches of the Salary cap every year from 2000 - 2004 and again in 2008, totalling $446,500. Now they could be hit again.

No one doubts the need for the Storm, but it looks like for a long time they have not be playing by the rules, and this puts there 2009 premiership in doubt.

I want to highlight, that if they were found out before the finals, it is not a forgone conclusion we would have won it, indeed it would have made for a completely different finals series, so no one knows how that would have went.

In the Olympics, you lose the gold if you have found to have cheated. Marion Jones had to hand hers back in 2007, many years after 2000.

 

[fish eel]

In the Olympics, you lose the gold if you have found to have cheated. Marion Jones had to hand hers back in 2007, many years after 2000.

Inter Milan were awarded a serie A title in Italy when points were deducted the previous year from Juventus and AC Milan.

Have to say though, if they strip it from Melbourne and declare Parramatta the premiers, would feel a bit hollow.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

In the Olympics, you lose the gold if you have found to have cheated. Marion Jones had to hand hers back in 2007, many years after 2000.

Yes and if I am not mistaken the gold goes to the person in 2nd and so on and so forth.

Still, that won't happen here.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Inter Milan were awarded a serie A title in Italy when points were deducted the previous year from Juventus and AC Milan.

Have to say though, if they strip it from Melbourne and declare Parramatta the premiers, would feel a bit hollow.

yeah but that is a first past the post system isn't it. In that case if it was St George then I could handle them awarding the JJ Giltinan elsewhere but after the final series kicks off then no one knows who is going to be the "Runner Up" if the eventual winner is taken out.

The First Week of the Finals would have looked quite different.

St George Vs Wests Tigers.
Bulldogs Vs Eels
Gold Coast Vs Newcastle
Manly Vs Brisbane.

From there who knows what would have happened.

 

[fish eel]

yeah but that is a first past the post system isn't it. In that case if it was St George then I could handle them awarding the JJ Giltinan elsewhere but after the final series kicks off then no one knows who is going to be the "Runner Up" if the eventual winner is taken out.

The First Week of the Finals would have looked quite different.

St George Vs Wests Tigers.
Bulldogs Vs Eels
Gold Coast Vs Newcastle
Manly Vs Brisbane.

From there who knows what would have happened.

yeah, it is.

But if Melbourne were to be stripped of titles, the runner up should get it (not that I think it would happen)

 

[Gronk]

Yes and if I am not mistaken the gold goes to the person in 2nd and so on and so forth.

Still, that won't happen here.

That's right it won't happen here as the NRL would not shoot itself in the foot because of the negative publicity. With the TV rights just around the corner, they would not dream of this.

Still, if the scope of the breach is significant then serial breachers (sp) need to be discouraged. If the breach occurred in both 2009 & 10, then they should be stripped of the false success that they have achieved in 2009 and punished in 2010.

 

[mickdo]

yeah but that is a first past the post system isn't it. In that case if it was St George then I could handle them awarding the JJ Giltinan elsewhere but after the final series kicks off then no one knows who is going to be the "Runner Up" if the eventual winner is taken out.

The First Week of the Finals would have looked quite different.

St George Vs Wests Tigers.
Bulldogs Vs Eels
Gold Coast Vs Newcastle
Manly Vs Brisbane.

From there who knows what would have happened.

At the Olympics they have events where there are playoffs and semi-finals (Boxing, Football, Waterpolo etc) and they still give the gold to the 2nd placed finisher if 1st place is disqualified later

 

[Snoochies]

Doubt Parra will be the 2009 Premiers.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ary-cap-breaches/story-e6frep5o-1225856812862



NRL poised to strip Melbourne Storm of points over salary cap breaches

• Karl deKroo and Paul Malone
• From: The Courier-Mail

STORMY days . . . Melbourne is under investigation over salary cap matters. Source: The Courier-Mail



PREMIERS Melbourne Storm are braced to lose NRL premiership points as a result of salary cap violations.


Storm officials are in Sydney today for discussions over the outcome of NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert's investigation into player deals.
Leading sports bookmakers Sportingbet Australia this morning suspended wooden spoon betting after a series of bets on the premiers at $251 to finish last.
Rumours swept league circles today that the Storm would lose their premiership points and face a hefty fine.
It is understood any fine or sanction won't be retrospective, so Melbourne's 2009 premiership is not threatened by the findings.
The fine is likely to be at least a large six-figure amount, with rumours it could go as high as $1 million.

Asked by The Courier-Mail this morning if the Storm has been stripped of their eight premiership points, NRL chief executive David Gallop said: "There hasn't been that decision. There hasn't been (a decision on a fine).

"I can't really comment on anything that is going on with the storm at the moment. I have said before we are investigating a number of issues. it's the same position.


"I'm working on it as quickly as I can."
A loss of eight premiership points would not end Melbourne's chances of making the final eight, but even the mental strength of a team which has made the past four grand finals, winning two, would be tested.
Canterbury were stripped 37 premiership points in 2002 and were also fined $500,000.
The Warriors were the most recent violators of the salary cap, starting the 2006 season with a four-point deficit and having to operate under a reduced salary cap, as well as pay a $430,000 fine.
Sportingbet Australia chief executive Michael Sullivan said the wooden-spoon bets set off alarm bells as the Storm were favourites for the premiership.
"We took three bets to win $10,000 and another to win $8000 on the Storm for the Wooden Spoon all within 10 minutes of each other this morning," Sullivan said.
"You don't take a series of bets like that unless someone knows something or think they know something and we have suspended betting on the wooden spoon as a result."
Melbourne skipper Cameron Smith was implicated last month in a possible salary cap breach by the Storm over a television appearance deal.

 

[strider]

If Melbourne cop an 8 point fine, IMO they'll still make the finals and be hard to beat.

Punishment, if it's a big enough offence and the NRL can identify which players benefited, should involve deregistering a contract, and preventing Melbourne from signing anyone.

yeah but when that happened with the dogs, they kept all their illegally gotten players on th back of the boo-hoo sob story that it wouldn't be fair for the fans crazy and players

now the player part I can understand (to some extent), cos how does that player then get another worthy contract somewhere else when teams have already spent their cap money .... they could make the breaching club pay his salary still, but then another club effectively gets him free

 

[Eelementary]

Just so we maintain consistency in the punishments, for the record:-



We can now revert to the above when the scope of the Storm breach has been made public to ensure that the punishment fits the crime.

I know we were guilty of it in 2000 according to that info, but FMD - the Storm have been caught like 6 times...What a disgrace. And they're the Premiers.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

[Gronk]

yeah but when that happened with the dogs, they kept all their illegally gotten players on th back of the boo-hoo sob story that it wouldn't be fair for the fans crazy and players

now the player part I can understand (to some extent), cos how does that player then get another worthy contract somewhere else when teams have already spent their cap money .... they could make the breaching club pay his salary still, but then another club effectively gets him free

Fair dinkum you you can suffer more by having 14 players on the field for 60 seconds of a game compared to a pre-meditated breach of the cap !

 

[Parra Steve]

Just been reported on Twitter thorugh NRL that David Gallop will be holding a press confrence at 4pm today.

 

[fish eel]

Fair dinkum you you can suffer more by having 14 players on the field for 60 seconds of a game compared to a pre-meditated breach of the cap !

Bans on new signings, heavy points deduction, fines and in some instances deregistering contracts (and the club still has to pay the bloke who sits out the rest of the year, but stiff sh*t) is what needs to happen

 

[Kornstar]

Don't worry, the NRL will dock them 8 points to make it look like they are doing something and then they will make sure they win the premiership so that they can talk them up even more about how great they are that they could still win under all that adversity.......what a headline for them......

 

[parra-matters]

so if they didn' pick this up til say round 22 and the storm were on 30pts they would lose 30pts but because it is round 6 and they only lose 8 pts cause that is all they have?
So then the payments that put them over the cap what happens to them? they player/players in question would still want their money.