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[WestyLife]

Love is a bit much! Brad is a ok backup doing ok

Fair. I just mean we agree/disagree who cares its not personal. I kinda like girds who I don't think I've agreed with on much but he brings a lot of football talk to his arguments which is fun.

 

[WestyLife]

He doesn’t deserve to be the fall guy However convenient.

There are certain other players on much more money just not delivering. I’m not going to call them out I’ll leave that to others.

He's not a fall guy for me either I just don't rate him. The form of the team doesn't increase/decrease on Schneider. We have far too many rep players for that.

 

[Pomoz]

Tago being a bad defender is just the facts. It probably does get harped on a little much but we're here to talk about what's happening.

Also nice way to just dismiss fellow Panthers fans across the internet because they criticised a player's form.

But its not fact. Where is your evidence? None of the statistics recorded for defence, try cause and line break cause support what you are saying. Why is there such a focus on Tago when he misses a tackle when so many others miss more? He has made more tackles than any other outside back and other than McLean, has the best tackle percentage. He makes more tackles per game than any other outside back. He deserves criticism for his error rate. He makes far too many 31 in 23 games. Luai has 27 in 21 games. Turuva and Edwrads cause more tries than Tago on a per game basis. To'o, Alamoti and Turuva cause more line breaks. Alamoti line break cause % is double that of Tago. Double.

Even when the data doesn't support your argument you and Chins continue to single him out. If you are are going to continue to make derogatory comments about him, at least produce some facts to support your opinion, otherwise it just looks like your are making personal attacks on a player you don't like.

I don't understand it, we are all Panther fans.

 

[WestyLife]

But its not fact. Where is your evidence? None of the statistics recorded for defence, try cause and line break cause support what you are saying. Why is there such a focus on Tago when he misses a tackle when so many others miss more? He has made more tackles than any other outside back and other than McLean, has the best tackle percentage. He makes more tackles per game than any other outside back. He deserves criticism for his error rate. He makes far too many 31 in 23 games. Luai has 27 in 21 games. Turuva and Edwrads cause more tries than Tago on a per game basis. To'o, Alamoti and Turuva cause more line breaks. Alamoti line break cause % is double that of Tago. Double.

Even when the data doesn't support your argument you and Chins continue to single him out. If you are are going to continue to make derogatory comments about him, at least produce some facts to support your opinion, otherwise it just looks like your are making personal attacks on a player you don't like.

I don't understand it, we are all Panther fans.

I don't dislike him personally and have praised him when I think he deserved it, he looked to be gaining form a few weeks ago and i love that he looks quick though I wish they could make use of it more but that's on Nathan being out more than anything. that ankle tap was perfect and it was pure luck it didnt come off.

He's making more tackles because teams are attacking him more. He's a perceived weakness not just to us but to our own coaches and opposition coaches. There's something there even if the constant talk is making it sound more dramatic than it should.

 

[Chins get the wins]

But its not fact. Where is your evidence? None of the statistics recorded for defence, try cause and line break cause support what you are saying. Why is there such a focus on Tago when he misses a tackle when so many others miss more? He has made more tackles than any other outside back and other than McLean, has the best tackle percentage. He makes more tackles per game than any other outside back. He deserves criticism for his error rate. He makes far too many 31 in 23 games. Luai has 27 in 21 games. Turuva and Edwrads cause more tries than Tago on a per game basis. To'o, Alamoti and Turuva cause more line breaks. Alamoti line break cause % is double that of Tago. Double.

Even when the data doesn't support your argument you and Chins continue to single him out. If you are are going to continue to make derogatory comments about him, at least produce some facts to support your opinion, otherwise it just looks like your are making personal attacks on a player you don't like.

I don't understand it, we are all Panther fans.

If you have eyeballs and understand the game a bit it's very clear the Tago's decision making is awful. He can't read what's infront of him

 

[Iamback]

But its not fact. Where is your evidence? None of the statistics recorded for defence, try cause and line break cause support what you are saying. Why is there such a focus on Tago when he misses a tackle when so many others miss more? He has made more tackles than any other outside back and other than McLean, has the best tackle percentage. He makes more tackles per game than any other outside back. He deserves criticism for his error rate. He makes far too many 31 in 23 games. Luai has 27 in 21 games. Turuva and Edwrads cause more tries than Tago on a per game basis. To'o, Alamoti and Turuva cause more line breaks. Alamoti line break cause % is double that of Tago. Double.

Even when the data doesn't support your argument you and Chins continue to single him out. If you are are going to continue to make derogatory comments about him, at least produce some facts to support your opinion, otherwise it just looks like your are making personal attacks on a player you don't like.

I don't understand it, we are all Panther fans.

When Tago rushes out of the line and leaves a gap it doesn't count as a missed tackle. Look at the ineffective tackles

Stats have us at 55% of tries scored on the right

Try causes is weighted against wingers/fullbacks because a try off a kick etc goes against them. So looks bad on them

So you need to sort that data to position wise and across the league still slightly skewed because Staines played a game in centres so is on the list but of the regular centres

Meaney 19
Tago 18
Pensini 17
Staggs 16

I am also not sure of the way it is marked. Manly game at home perfect example where Talau was scoring down that side atleast 1 was in between Turuva and Tago.

I will say this. Turuva has been back 2 weeks and on the left and no tries have been let in

 

[Chins get the wins]

When Tago rushes out of the line and leaves a gap it doesn't count as a missed tackle. Look at the ineffective tackles

Stats have us at 55% of tries scored on the right

Try causes is weighted against wingers/fullbacks because a try off a kick etc goes against them. So looks bad on them

So you need to sort that data to position wise and across the league still slightly skewed because Staines played a game in centres so is on the list but of the regular centres

Meaney 19
Tago 18
Pensini 17
Staggs 16

I am also not sure of the way it is marked. Manly game at home perfect example where Talau was scoring down that side atleast 1 was in between Turuva and Tago.

I will say this. Turuva has been back 2 weeks and on the left and no tries have been let in

Always appreciate the work you do with stats.
All my opinions are basically just watching the game but both come to the same point. He's bad and has been for a good while

 

[Pomoz]

I don't dislike him personally and have praised him when I think he deserved it, he looked to be gaining form a few weeks ago and i love that he looks quick though I wish they could make use of it more but that's on Nathan being out more than anything. that ankle tap was perfect and it was pure luck it didnt come off.

He's making more tackles because teams are attacking him more. He's a perceived weakness not just to us but to our own coaches and opposition coaches. There's something there even if the constant talk is making it sound more dramatic than it should.

Fair enough, I think he does go looking for defensive work as well which contributes to his higher tackle rate.

If you look at his prior seasons output 22,23, 24 he has made 15.7, 14.8 and 17.7 tackle per game respectively. Stephen Crichton when he played for us in 22 and 23, made 14 and 11.75 tackles per game. Incidentally, Crichton's effective tackle percentage was lower as well. He made fewer tackles, missed more tackles and made less runs than Tago.

I think it is the error rate, that separates the two. I cannot get data for prior years on errors, so I can only say that last year Tago wasn't in the top 50 list for errors made, this year he is the 18th worst in errors per game in the NRL (players who played 10 games or more).

I should add, Tago is incurring a lot of penalties this year as well. Kenny, Luai and Leota are also penalty machines. In fact, the team is the second worst in the NRL for conceding penalties, with the Roosters first (By margin of 1.3 more per game). Our error rate is not too bad though and we are 13th in the NRL for errors made, better than all the teams left in the finals.

For the sake of the team, if Tago and Luai can reduce their error rates, and if Tago, Kenny and Luai can reduce the penalties, we will significantly improve our share of possession.

 

[Iamback]

Always appreciate the work you do with stats.
All my opinions are basically just watching the game but both come to the same point. He's bad and has been for a good while

As always stats are only as good as those entering the data but in that Try stats it is not good reading for the right.

Alamoti played v Cows on that right wing and 3 of their tries was on that side. So even that skewes Alamoti's numbers

But if we are doing a rough table

Left side

To'o - most of the year 10 try causes

May/Alamoti/McLean 16 - Although Alamoti played wing a few games

Luai - 8.

Cole has 1 but not sure what side so lets put it here.

Sorensen 3 Try Causes

Mav/Garner played a bit of both sides but have 0 try causes anyway.

Right side

Turuva - 19
Tago - 18
Schneider/Cleary - 11
Martin - 5

Henry has 2 but not sure if they were when he play

So even with allocating all of Alamoti's to the right there is a decent difference.

This is allowing for McLean and Mav debuting. Alamoti and May new to that centre role here.

As opposed to the experienced and virtually unchanged right.

So data is there to match that

 

[Pomoz]

When Tago rushes out of the line and leaves a gap it doesn't count as a missed tackle. Look at the ineffective tackles

Stats have us at 55% of tries scored on the right

Try causes is weighted against wingers/fullbacks because a try off a kick etc goes against them. So looks bad on them

So you need to sort that data to position wise and across the league still slightly skewed because Staines played a game in centres so is on the list but of the regular centres

Meaney 19
Tago 18
Pensini 17
Staggs 16

I am also not sure of the way it is marked. Manly game at home perfect example where Talau was scoring down that side atleast 1 was in between Turuva and Tago.

I will say this. Turuva has been back 2 weeks and on the left and no tries have been let in

You have to look at the causes per game, not just the total list. Some players have played a handful of games. Wighton, Talagi, Fidow, Brimson, Mariner, Jennings, Cobbo are all worse. As for line break causes, there are literally twenty plus players in the centres worse than Tago including Crichton, Averillo and Meaney.

Sadly, Blaize Talagi is top for try causes and line break causes. Gulp.......

FYI the missed tackle percentage includes ineffective tackles. Effective tackle percentage = Tackles/(Tackles + missed tackles + ineffective tackles).

Tago is a better defender than all the outside backs at the Panthers except McLean (small sample size though). He is 13th in the NRL for tackles made at centre, although a few in the list are back rowers who played one game in the centres which skews the results.

 

[Chins get the wins]

You have to look at the causes per game, not just the total list. Some players have played a handful of games. Wighton, Talagi, Fidow, Brimson, Mariner, Jennings, Cobbo are all worse. As for line break causes, there are literally twenty plus players in the centres worse than Tago including Crichton, Averillo and Meaney.

Sadly, Blaize Talagi is top for try causes and line break causes. Gulp.......

FYI the missed tackle percentage includes ineffective tackles. Effective tackle percentage = Tackles/(Tackles + missed tackles + ineffective tackles).

Tago is a better defender than all the outside backs at the Panthers except McLean (small sample size though). He is 13th in the NRL for tackles made at centre, although a few in the list are back rowers who played one game in the centres which skews the results.

If you actually believe that I'm amazed.

He makes that many tackles because the whole comp runs the ball at him, because.........it leads to tries

 

[MugaB]

That's just a f**ked comment. Be better.

Nah.... f#€ƙ parra

 

[Pomoz]

As always stats are only as good as those entering the data but in that Try stats it is not good reading for the right.

Alamoti played v Cows on that right wing and 3 of their tries was on that side. So even that skewes Alamoti's numbers

But if we are doing a rough table

Left side

To'o - most of the year 10 try causes

May/Alamoti/McLean 16 - Although Alamoti played wing a few games

Luai - 8.

Cole has 1 but not sure what side so lets put it here.

Sorensen 3 Try Causes

Mav/Garner played a bit of both sides but have 0 try causes anyway.

Right side

Turuva - 19
Tago - 18
Schneider/Cleary - 11
Martin - 5

Henry has 2 but not sure if they were when he play

So even with allocating all of Alamoti's to the right there is a decent difference.

This is allowing for McLean and Mav debuting. Alamoti and May new to that centre role here.

As opposed to the experienced and virtually unchanged right.

So data is there to match that

The right hand side in 10 of the 17 NRL sides, concedes the most points. In fact, on average over the last six years the right hand side concede the most tries in 12 of the 17 NRL sides. The Panthers six year average is 43% right vs 32% left. Players are mostly right handed and favour passing to their left, thereby attacking the right so it makes sense.

But as you point out, we do concede more tries on our right side with 55% vs left side 29% or 36 tries vs 19 tries. If we can tighten this area and reduce the penalty count we will go a long way to winning number four.

We should also note that the right hand side has contributed the most to attack, with Tago 4th and Turuva 5th for try involvements. Tries scored on our right side was 39 vs 29 on the left. Tago and Turuva are 2nd and 3rd for line breaks as well.

I was surprised at the right side attack dominance because Luai is the main playmaker this year and has kept mainly to the left, so I had a look a bit closer.

In 21 games, Luai has 13 try assists and 12 linebreak assists. In only 10 games Cleary had 10 try assists and 10 line break assists. When Cleary has played he has been unbelievably productive in attack. He has more line engagements than any player in our team and sits 11th in the NRL, all in only 10 games. If you add in Cleary's ability to tactically kick and put teams under pressure for the kick chase, you can understand why people think he is the best player in the NRL. I didn't realise just how good he has become, because this year we have seen so little of him. We are a different level when he plays.

The corollary of this is Luai, who lets be honest has been really quiet the last few weeks, is not yet really an elite main man. Good, but not elite. Maybe in a new environment at the Tigers he can get to the next level but this talk of he has taken over when Cleary was out isn't really supported by the facts. I wish he was staying and wish him well, but I think he will be shocked at how hard it is to be the main playmaker in a struggling team. That said, he has managed to help us finished 2nd, so he has done his job.

While we are on stats, Yeo is 17th in the NRL for line engagements. He is more effective at getting to the line and passing than many of the halves in the NRL. He is very unappreciated in the NRL by the journalists and commentators. They wanted to sack him from the Blues, they passed him over as the captain. Do they even watch him play? The man is a legend.

 

[CCJohnC]

If the refs did't blow the whistle so much?

 

[WestyLife]

The right hand side in 10 of the 17 NRL sides, concedes the most points. In fact, on average over the last six years the right hand side concede the most tries in 12 of the 17 NRL sides. The Panthers six year average is 43% right vs 32% left. Players are mostly right handed and favour passing to their left, thereby attacking the right so it makes sense.

But as you point out, we do concede more tries on our right side with 55% vs left side 29% or 36 tries vs 19 tries. If we can tighten this area and reduce the penalty count we will go a long way to winning number four.

We should also note that the right hand side has contributed the most to attack, with Tago 4th and Turuva 5th for try involvements. Tries scored on our right side was 39 vs 29 on the left. Tago and Turuva are 2nd and 3rd for line breaks as well.

I was surprised at the right side attack dominance because Luai is the main playmaker this year and has kept mainly to the left, so I had a look a bit closer.

In 21 games, Luai has 13 try assists and 12 linebreak assists. In only 10 games Cleary had 10 try assists and 10 line break assists. When Cleary has played he has been unbelievably productive in attack. He has more line engagements than any player in our team and sits 11th in the NRL, all in only 10 games. If you add in Cleary's ability to tactically kick and put teams under pressure for the kick chase, you can understand why people think he is the best player in the NRL. I didn't realise just how good he has become, because this year we have seen so little of him. We are a different level when he plays.

The corollary of this is Luai, who lets be honest has been really quiet the last few weeks, is not yet really an elite main man. Good, but not elite. Maybe in a new environment at the Tigers he can get to the next level but this talk of he has taken over when Cleary was out isn't really supported by the facts. I wish he was staying and wish him well, but I think he will be shocked at how hard it is to be the main playmaker in a struggling team. That said, he has managed to help us finished 2nd, so he has done his job.

While we are on stats, Yeo is 17th in the NRL for line engagements. He is more effective at getting to the line and passing than many of the halves in the NRL. He is very unappreciated in the NRL by the journalists and commentators. They wanted to sack him from the Blues, they passed him over as the captain. Do they even watch him play? The man is a legend.

Love Nathan already see him as the best halfback but that is pretty nuts. You have to risk him for finals with that.

 

[WestyLife]

Sharks losing this more than storm winning.

 

[Iamback]

Sharks losing this more than storm winning.

That is the Sharks in finals footy right there

 

[WestyLife]

That is the Sharks in finals footy right there

Can't believe they're still backing nycho though half the team are really dumb. No footy I.Q

 

[Fangs]

Game on.

Melbourne clocked off. The Sharks are well below their best and they are in this game

 

[Iamback]

Can't believe they're still backing nycho though half the team are really dumb. No footy I.Q

Nicho is a 1. A 6 at a push but a very dumb team