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[Iamback]

Good luck restricting wages on a grade system.

Salary caps are already legally dubious.

Setting maximums based on grades would get laughed out of court.

Take this year

Tom Turbo won the Dally M, played 10 games this year. His 2023 grading would be low

 

[Kilkenny]

Good luck restricting wages on a grade system.

Salary caps are already legally dubious.

Setting maximums based on grades would get laughed out of court.

There should be a draft. May be not necessarily benefit us but for the overall benefit of the game it has merit. The current system only really accommodates the best players going to the best sides or the higher profile sides.

 

[Munky]

There should be a draft. May be not necessarily benefit us but for the overall benefit of the game it has merit. The current system only really accommodates the best players going to the best sides or the higher profile sides.

The draft already went to court and failed.

 

[Pomoz]

I think it is a really intersection discussion point. On what basis do you think the cap is broken?

I really don't think it is. The poorly performing clubs are just an indication of life in general, people make bad decisions that impacts their finances and health. The NRL is a business and the bottom clubs are lousy at business. Even with a market that is doctored to even out competitiveness, they still stuff it up.

The list of poor decisions is quite long. Overpaying contracts, not developing juniors, not securing sponsors, not understanding their customers, giving jobs to old boys, not investing in health and fitness, appointing boards with no experience, appointing CEO's with no experience.

Nothing to do with the salary cap. Everything to do with stupidity, nepotism and ignorance.

The Panthers have been guilty of all of that at certain times, so no smugness or gloating on my part.

 

[WestyLife]

Just finished the tigers game. Tamou getting fired up

 

[Murraymob1]

A draft would not solve anything as the good players may not want to go to weaker clubs and stay where they are
The flip side is a team running bear last may throw games to get top picks in the draft

 

[BxTom]

Big spenders like Uncle Nick and Laundry (and to some extent us) can get lots of third party deals done. Laundry though his pubs and Nick through his hundreds of companies can hide their involvement. If they want the salary cap to work they have to stop third party deals. I know they published something a while ago saying otherwise, but that was only data out of thin air as per the quality of RL journalism. Either all clubs have the same money to spend or scrap the salary cap. Third party deals favour the rich and/or successful clubs. Totally undermines the salary cap concept as is being seen at present.

 

[Kilkenny]

Big spenders like Uncle Nick and Laundry (and to some extent us) can get lots of third party deals done. Laundry though his pubs and Nick through his hundreds of companies can hide their involvement. If they want the salary cap to work they have to stop third party deals. I know they published something a while ago saying otherwise, but that was only data out of thin air as per the quality of RL journalism. Either all clubs have the same money to spend or scrap the salary cap. Third party deals favour the rich and/or successful clubs. Totally undermines the salary cap concept as is being seen at present.

I agree 100% get rid of the third party deals. Just have a cap and be done with it Or as I believe let’s introduce a draft. It works in the AFL no reason why it can’t work in our game, Melbourne won the AFL last year after goodness knows long which was evidence of how the draft can work.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Good luck restricting wages on a grade system.

Salary caps are already legally dubious.

Setting maximums based on grades would get laughed out of court.

But you wouldn’t neccasssatily need to restrict wages, just have both a points based and $base cap running side by side.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Take this year

Tom Turbo won the Dally M, played 10 games this year. His 2023 grading would be low

You could make the allocation of points multi-yeared, while you could also grandfather a players points at the point they sign a contract.

Medical retirements only get half their points back. No TPAs (or as soon as an additional TPA is paid the player instantly either goes to the higher of the existing or current points). Won’t re register a player while an existing deal is in place (ie a player can’t agitate for a more or a club can’t move them on).

If they wanted to they could solve for a system that does the duel goals of keeping the clubs solvent and finding a more equitable distribution of talent.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

I think it is a really intersection discussion point. On what basis do you think the cap is broken?

I really don't think it is. The poorly performing clubs are just an indication of life in general, people make bad decisions that impacts their finances and health. The NRL is a business and the bottom clubs are lousy at business. Even with a market that is doctored to even out competitiveness, they still stuff it up.

The list of poor decisions is quite long. Overpaying contracts, not developing juniors, not securing sponsors, not understanding their customers, giving jobs to old boys, not investing in health and fitness, appointing boards with no experience, appointing CEO's with no experience.

Nothing to do with the salary cap. Everything to do with stupidity, nepotism and ignorance.

The Panthers have been guilty of all of that at certain times, so no smugness or gloating on my part.

This is a good point. This year the Cows and Broncos appear to have broken into the top 8; both appear on the way up and should be challenging again next year. Talent will flow from the Storm, Eels and Panthers (in particular) to the Dolphins, Dogs and Tigers (and Roosters).

Going back to my initial point the issue for me is you get to this point of the season and (this year 7) teams have absolutely nothing to play for and it shows in their results. Would the Tigers have leant out a few players if the team that comes last is relegated from the competition?

 

[Iamback]

You could make the allocation of points multi-yeared, while you could also grandfather a players points at the point they sign a contract.

Medical retirements only get half their points back. No TPAs (or as soon as an additional TPA is paid the player instantly either goes to the higher of the existing or current points). Won’t re register a player while an existing deal is in place (ie a player can’t agitate for a more or a club can’t move them on).

If they wanted to they could solve for a system that does the duel goals of keeping the clubs solvent and finding a more equitable distribution of talent.

I have seen it used in semi professional, Not sure how it would work in this system

An issue we have now, Crichton has now played Origin.

A fit Wighton, Tom Turbo and Latrell will get picked over him for the foreseeable future. He'd be allocated Origin player points, despite not being one.

Players like that are littered across the league

 

[Pomoz]

The salary cap reduces the potential earnings of the players. It is unfair and discriminatory and I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. To then remove third party deals is completely inequitable and beyond comprehension.

This is not working in an office, filling out spreadsheets, this is manual labour undertaken with a high level of risk. Bones are broken. Joints are destroyed. Careers are ended early. There is a potential to be paralysed or suffer brain damage. The average number of career games for an NRL player is thirty. We absolutely should encourage these players to earn every dollar they can. I really don't care if it means some clubs have more money available than others, it is up to teams to counteract that by getting better at development or offering other incentives like training for jobs outside league, to attract players. Roosters can offer more potential third party deals than most, but the Titans offer a resort lifestyle. Sydney traffic, Gold Coast surf, what would you choose?

Clubs like the Sharks can offer players a lifestyle by the beach, do we make them relocate to Mt Druitt so they don't have an advantage? Manly to Blacktown, Newcastle to Gunnedah? All that scrapping third party deals does is punish the players because clubs are poor at making decisions.

All the clubs at the bottom need to do is to make better business decisions. Get the right leaders in place who know what they are doing. The advent of cable TV and streaming has changed the game significantly in the last 25 years. There is a lot of money involved and the average club is a large business with enormous sums of money involved. Unfortunately, some clubs have continued to conduct themselves like they are still running meat raffles down the bowlo and the chairman's brother gets on the board because he has experience running a Pie Face franchise.

Don't hire 32 year old ex-players as CEO's (our stupid mistake), don't hire ex-players as CEO's who have 1 years experience as a business development manager (The Knights). This is just stupidity of the highest order that would get you sacked if you did it for a public company. Don't play your games all over Sydney, confusing your fans and leaving the main part of them out in the cold (the Tigers). Don't stack your board with ex-players with no experience in business (too many teams to name). Don't pay $1.2 million for a back rower (the Titans). Don't hire coaches who don't watch the lower grades because "it's not his job to find players" (the Panthers).

It's not rocket surgery. Or is it?

 

[Kilkenny]

I think all of the points you have made somehow or another lead back to Gus Gould and how he rather turned around the fortunes of our club.

 

[Smug Panther]

A draft in this sport is absolutely laughable, even if it could be enforced (it can't) the kids will just walk and play rugby in Europe for a few years.

 

[Iamback]

A draft in this sport is absolutely laughable, even if it could be enforced (it can't) the kids will just walk and play rugby in Europe for a few years.

There will be no kids.

Teams will tank, that will include developing for the future. No point if someone else takes the kids.

Just need to incentivise Junior development more

 

[Kilkenny]

A draft in this sport is absolutely laughable, even if it could be enforced (it can't) the kids will just walk and play rugby in Europe for a few years.

why is a draft such a bad thing, I don’t get it. We just lost Katoa and two our our other best youngsters without a draft so I just don’t see it. The best youngsters aren’t going to forfeit a potential NRL career for Union. It’s not going to happen.

 

[Smug Panther]

why is a draft such a bad thing, I don’t get it. We just lost Katoa and two our our other best youngsters without a draft so I just don’t see it. The best youngsters aren’t going to forfeit a potential NRL career for Union. It’s not going to happen.

Go ruin your career at the Tigers or go the Super League or Euro Rugby for more money....

 

[Kilkenny]

Go ruin your career at the Tigers or go the Super League or Euro Rugby for more money....

It’s a myth about the money in the ESL. It really is. NRL players either go there at the back end of there career or players who can’t get a starting position here. There may be one or two elite players who earn good money in the ESL but for the most part they are earning far less than they would earn here if they were good enough. I’ve no idea about union but again there aren’t many quality players plying there trade in Union who could still cut in the NRL.

 

[Iamback]

Go ruin your career at the Tigers or go the Super League or Euro Rugby for more money....

Or Rugby 7's