Our Finals Chances.

[MrBlack]

Good teams find a way to win.

We have been playing terrible footy but still finding a way to win.

Cant believe the negativity when we have won 9 of our last 11....

 

[betcats]

There are some very old fashioned views on leadership in this forum. If Griffin has the sense to get help from Gus and Brandy it shows excellent leadership and fine coaching ability. Once a leader starts thinking they know everything they are in serious trouble. The leader as a demi-god who knows everything is not realistic and will lead to failure.

I find it interesting that if we make the eight two years in a row some people regard that as a terrible performance by the team. Its great that we now have high expectations for our club, there was a time when mediocrity was accepted. However, we need to have realistic expectations and thinking that a team with 19 year old halfback and a 1st season rookie fullback is going to lead us to top four is fanciful at best. Remember we started with TMM and Cleary in the halves, a completely untried green combination. Again, why would we think that a spine with no experience would lead us to top four? As Hook said, in response to our pre-season favouritism "you don't know football if you thought that".

If he needed help last season why not continue with what we did over the back half of the season into this year instead of completely changing it up to start this year and then having to go back to the drawing board half way through the season? Also the fact that it takes him half a year to realise he needs help(if you are sure it wasn't forced on him? I haven't seen it said anywhere that he asked for help) isn't impressive. I cant believe you just tried to spin that shit as good coaching lol please.

As for the bold last line, Gus is on record after our 2/7 start saying we will still make the top four, he said it on his podcast but I guess he doesn't know footy right? Do you know the amount of experts that tipped us to be a top four side? I'm not just talking about the odds I mean every man and his dog had us in the top four, people who have achieved more in Rugby league in one season than Griffin has his entire career but yeah Griffin knows way more about footy than any of them, what bullshit. The guys performance was being questioned(rightfully) from all angles and he fired back with some bullshit to try and take the heat off him.

 

[franklin2323]

I agree with both of these.

On the 2nd one. Even on The Footy Show on Sunday Moylan sounded like a hesitant half. So I dare say he played where he wanted to play

 

[Westernised Panther]

Good teams find a way to win.

We have been playing terrible footy but still finding a way to win.

Cant believe the negativity when we have won 9 of our last 11....

It's probably the manner in which we lost the two games that is questionable.

That being said, 9 out of 11 is bloody good strike rate

 

[billypilgrimnz]

On the 2nd one. Even on The Footy Show on Sunday Moylan sounded like a hesitant half. So I dare say he played where he wanted to play

Even if that were true, it's still on the coach to choose the best team. Edwards is a much better fullback on evidence so far.

 

[Pomoz]

betcats you make every effort to put a negative spin on Hook. "He may not have asked for help". "It may have been forced on him". Then just in case you could be wrong you finish off by saying "why did he wait so long?". None of us know the answer to the forced or not, but what I do know is asking for help is a good leadership trait not a bad one.

As to the timing of asking, that is subjective. Bearing in mind the TMM change and trying to get two rookies to work together. The experiment ended for whatever reason (wasn't working, TMM issues, again who knows) but he did at least try.

As for Gus, he represents the club, so he will have to talk us up, if our own GM doesn't talk us up who will? But it doesn't matter what Gus said or anybody who is a footy expert. We have rookie halves, it was a long shot to suggest we could finish the top four and win the premiership.

 

[franklin2323]

Even if that were true, it's still on the coach to choose the best team. Edwards is a much better fullback on evidence so far.

Edwards wasn't FB in the 2015 NYC team. He struggled and was on the wing in 15. Improved last year granted. Certainly was nothing to say he demanded to be picked while a test 5/8th was at the club

 

[Kilkenny]

Even if that were true, it's still on the coach to choose the best team. Edwards is a much better fullback on evidence so far.

They are entirely different type of fullbacks.

I still think Moylans best position is fullback but you cannot leave out a talent such as Edwards so given the current playing roster you have to find a spot for both.

 

[betcats]

betcats you make every effort to put a negative spin on Hook. "He may not have asked for help". "It may have been forced on him". Then just in case you could be wrong you finish off by saying "why did he wait so long?". None of us know the answer to the forced or not, but what I do know is asking for help is a good leadership trait not a bad one..

That is complete bullshit. I have simply stated that there may have another reason for the intervention other than him asking for help. You on the other hand have just assumed he did ask for help twice which of course paints Griffin in the best light, you even went on to praise him for asking for help. At least I have acknowledged that we don't know instead of just assuming the best case for my argument is the truth like you have.

As to the timing of asking, that is subjective. Bearing in mind the TMM change and trying to get two rookies to work together. The experiment ended for whatever reason (wasn't working, TMM issues, again who knows) but he did at least try.

As for Gus, he represents the club, so he will have to talk us up, if our own GM doesn't talk us up who will? But it doesn't matter what Gus said or anybody who is a footy expert. We have rookie halves, it was a long shot to suggest we could finish the top four and win the premiership.

And if Griffin wont defend himself who will? He said that because he was under immense pressure, im not buying it at all.

Gus didn't say it as panther GM he said in his role in the media on his podcast and It wasn't just Gus who had us top four. There were many other experts who tipped us to be in the top four. That's a complete cop out and revisionist history to start saying we aren't a top four squad now because of young halves. Everyone knew who our spine options were when they thought we were favourites and a real top four side.

 

[Pomoz]

Edwards wasn't FB in the 2015 NYC team. He struggled and was on the wing in 15. Improved last year granted. Certainly was nothing to say he demanded to be picked while a test 5/8th was at the club

Your comment just shows why it is so difficult to predict who will make it and who won't.

So many youngsters can't step up because of physical limitations that only show at adult level or, attitude or through injury. Remember Harry Sjeika and Masada Iosefa? Guns as juniors but never could kick on. What about that big winger who went to Canterbury? He smashed them in u20's but just could never make it as a senior.

 

[Kilkenny]

betcats you make every effort to put a negative spin on Hook. "He may not have asked for help". "It may have been forced on him". Then just in case you could be wrong you finish off by saying "why did he wait so long?". None of us know the answer to the forced or not, but what I do know is asking for help is a good leadership trait not a bad one.

As to the timing of asking, that is subjective. Bearing in mind the TMM change and trying to get two rookies to work together. The experiment ended for whatever reason (wasn't working, TMM issues, again who knows) but he did at least try.

As for Gus, he represents the club, so he will have to talk us up, if our own GM doesn't talk us up who will? But it doesn't matter what Gus said or anybody who is a footy expert. We have rookie halves, it was a long shot to suggest we could finish the top four and win the premiership.

I agree there are some on here who simply cannot accept anything positive from our head coach and to a lesser degree our GM. I have been as frustrated as most by some of Griffins decisions, playing style etc etc but some of the comments and negativity towards him is over the top.

 

[betcats]

Edwards absolutely killed the offseason by all reports, Wallace even said "he has had the best offseason by anyone I can remember" that's plenty of evidence that he could handle FG.

 

[franklin2323]

Your comment just shows why it is so difficult to predict who will make it and who won't.

So many youngsters can't step up because of physical limitations that only show at adult level or, attitude or through injury. Remember Harry Sjeika and Masada Iosefa? Guns as juniors but never could kick on. What about that big winger who went to Canterbury? He smashed them in u20's but just could never make it as a senior.

Baidon Burns also was ordinary that year too. He and Edwards both took time to adapt as many others are and will do so. In a few years there will be some other junior we are asking why they didn't get a game

It is why this Moylan should of moved sooner talk is just garbage. Even when our 9's team was announced no one knew Edwards. He went well in that. Went well in a the rest of the pre season. We still had test 5/8th in TMM and Test FB at the club so it wasn't as easy as just playing him. Personally I would of played him over Hiku early on but I don't get paid to make those decisons.

 

[franklin2323]

Edwards absolutely killed the offseason by all reports, Wallace even said "he has had the best offseason by anyone I can remember" that's plenty of evidence that he could handle FG.

ahh yes so lets drop a Test FB and test 5/8th because someone was great at training.

 

[PANTHERMIKE]

As for the bold last line, Gus is on record after our 2/7 start saying we will still make the top four, he said it on his podcast but I guess he doesn't know footy right? Do you know the amount of experts that tipped us to be a top four side? I'm not just talking about the odds I mean every man and his dog had us in the top four, people who have achieved more in Rugby league in one season than Griffin has his entire career but yeah Griffin knows way more about footy than any of them, what bullshit. The guys performance was being questioned(rightfully) from all angles and he fired back with some bullshit to try and take the heat off him.

That said, Raiders, Warriors and Cowboys were all flaunted as being top 4 this year too...

 

[betcats]

ahh yes so lets drop a Test FB and test 5/8th because someone was great at training.

Ahh yes because moving Moylan to the halves is really dropping him.

 

[betcats]

That said, Raiders, Warriors and Cowboys were all flaunted as being top 4 this year too...

All three have squads capable of doing it at the start of the year. The bold two are suffering from similar inconsistencies as we are(hmm I wonder why?) and the cowboys would be top four for certain IMO if they didn't lose JT.

 

[Pomoz]

That is complete bullshit. I have simply stated that there may have another reason for the intervention other than him asking for help. You on the other hand have just assumed he did ask for help twice which of course paints Griffin in the best light, you even went on to praise him for asking for help. At least I have acknowledged that we don't know instead of just assuming the best case for my argument is the truth like you have.

And if Griffin wont defend himself who will? He said that because he was under immense pressure, im not buying it at all.

Gus didn't say it as panther GM he said in his role in the media on his podcast and It wasn't just Gus who had us top four. There were many other experts who tipped us to be in the top four. That's a complete cop out and revisionist history to start saying we aren't a top four squad now because of young halves. Everyone knew who our spine options were when they thought we were favourites and a real top four side.

Betcats you could start a fight in telephone box with only you in it (you are Travis Burns, do I win a prize?). You attribute statements to me that are simply not true. I said "IF Hook had the good sense..then it shows good leadership". I used the word "if", because we simply don't know. My comments were aimed at those criticising him for getting help, like that in itself is poor leadership.

You may think it was obvious we had the roster for top four and I admit I got carried away with the hype too. Hooks comments have proven to be spot on. Our halves have not gelled and we have struggled to score points even when dominating field position. All, with the benefit of hindsight, entirely predictable when you look at the cold hard facts. Every team above us has a rep player either at halfback Cronk, DCE, Thurston, Pearce, Hunt or five eigth Widdop, Maloney, Morgan, Milford or an experienced player - Norman 140 games. The Storm, the Broncos and the Cowboys have two rep halves. The Storm has three if you count Smith, he is better than just about any halfback there is!

 

[franklin2323]

Ahh yes because moving Moylan to the halves is really dropping him.

Still it's like saying sorry Moylan while you were away someone trained well. So you have to move positions btw will you tell TMM he is good enough to play for his country but not for us.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

. So you have to move positions btw will you tell TMM he is good enough to play for his country but not for us.

Funny, you didn't extend this attitude to Hiku.