Our Finals Chances.

[mxlegend99]

I cant really see why Franklin is getting shut down so much. I think 8/10 coaches would of given first opportunity to TMM (given we had Moylan at fullback) this year, irrespective of how Edwards trained.

We finished strong last year, Why would a coach change half our spine (and potentially weaken fullback) instead of just changing our 6 (to an exceptional talent), while keeping the rest of the spine in tact? I think nearly everyone on here wanted TMM somewhere in the squad and most wanted him at 6.

People talk about TMM as if he's a run of the mill 5/8th. Kid has amazing potential, will be one of the dominant halves for the next decade.

Or have I missed the point of the arguement?

Why would he change our centres? Drop guys like Akauolo etc. Who were absolutely crucial to the finals? He made a lot of unnecessary changes for inferior players.

Moylan to 6 was a move that suited his skillset better. Peachey back to the bench just limited his ability to break a game open. Blake out to the wing held back the progress he had made. Akouolo being dropped for Browne was just ridiculous. Griffin went away from what worked last year in many dumb ways. Moylan to 6 was the best move he had made since Peachey to centre. But it was a move 90% of people knew would happen. Yet still people think its stupid despite Edwards killing it at fullback and Moylan being more effective at 6 then 1. Stats prove that.

 

[umina panther]

TMM has some potential sure but Moylan has always been clearly a 6 to 99% of people who watch the game. He is also an international and played very well at 5/8 for NSW. Matt is simply better than TMM.

Edwards is also looking the better player.

The opportunity we wasted to play Moylan alongside Sowie is ridiculous

 

[Kilkenny]

Were really going around in circles here guys. Peoples opinions differ that is clear.

At the end of the day, going back to original starting of this thread which is actually our chance of making the finals I think this weekend will have a major bearing on our chances.

Not only to we need the two points, but we need a solid convincing win and I don't think for one minute this is a gimme two points.

No Merrin, no Latu and most likely no Moylan & JFH. We are going to need the fringe players to stand up.

It goes without saying this a must win going into the Cowboys game.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

What are you talking about? The Sharks could easily win it again, and the Roosters are in with a strong shout as well. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Anyway I've now blocked you(ignored or whatever?).Really not in the mood to keep putting up with your asshole like personality, yet weak and whenever someone calls you out on how much you drive whatever you post as a fact, you backtrack and label it as just your 'opinion' and for people to respect it.The difference between you and I though is what I said in the original post, I'm sticking with.Just as strong stance too.No team but Melbourne or peak Penrith will win the comp this year.You think that's completely wrong?Cool.I easily could have done what you do and say "it's my opinion, don't bash me for it", despite how strongly it came out, but I won't.This leads me to this.Another difference is how I won't try to bag off any member that has a different opinion from me.The funny thing is that I agree with a lot of what you say on here, but you're nothing but an asshole to people who say anything that contradicts with what you post.I don't care that you think what I said is wrong.But the way you came about your response goes against everything of what is great about forums.Debating points and saying why you feel differently.Trying to make people view it from your angle.Making your point known with logical discussion.But nope."Where do you get this stuff from?".Nicely put mate.Definitely can see where you are coming from now.

I'm not sure how many people you have deterred from returning to this forum through what I best can describe as bullying tactics, but I'm not going to keep up this charade which will lead to me eventually joining that list.Ignored/blocked(whatever).There's good people on this forum, there's good posts.Great potential for engaging discussion, which was amazing to find.

I don't care if anyone sees differently or thinks what I say or what I say will happen is dead wrong.I don't care how people judge what I say about referees/who will win the comp or whatever.We're all Penrith supporters and we should respect each other as people with their own thoughts/views/takes.Not try to cut each other down because someone else is saying something we flat out think is wrong, just so we can feel like bigger people/better posters.But if you're just going to be a prick, then you're going to be taken out of view.Goodbye.

 

[betcats]

Why would he change our centres? Drop guys like Akauolo etc. Who were absolutely crucial to the finals? He made a lot of unnecessary changes for inferior players.

Moylan to 6 was a move that suited his skillset better. Peachey back to the bench just limited his ability to break a game open. Blake out to the wing held back the progress he had made. Akouolo being dropped for Browne was just ridiculous. Griffin went away from what worked last year in many dumb ways. Moylan to 6 was the best move he had made since Peachey to centre. But it was a move 90% of people knew would happen. Yet still people think its stupid despite Edwards killing it at fullback and Moylan being more effective at 6 then 1. Stats prove that.

Exactly, Griffin made a shit load of unnecessary changes this season. Why did we change the centres who were killing it? Why did we change our entire style?

TMM was also change from a winning formula. We finished strongly last season because Moylan was carving teams up, he finished with at least 3 motm performances in a row, we then take the ball out of his hands and throw young half out there that he has to let get involved and develop.

Trying to play two young halves with a playmaker like Moylan at fb and introducing this new attacking structure which limits a playmakers time and options was an incredibly dumb move the results to start the year show that. Many of us questioned the wisdom of playing two young halves together before the season started. I went on about for the entire back half of last season after seeing the tigers pair bomb.

Also just assuming a twenty one year old who has barely established himself in the top grade will be dominant for ten years is so ridiculous. People were annoiting luke brooks the nsw saviour after his rookie year at 19.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Anyway I've now blocked you(ignored or whatever?).Really not in the mood to keep putting up with your asshole like personality, yet weak and whenever someone calls you out on how much you drive whatever you post as a fact, you backtrack and label it as just your 'opinion' and for people to respect it..

Let the record state that I have literally never done this. I think he got me confused with someone else. Except the asshole part, that sounds accurate.

Still, I'm amused at how many posters dislike terse disagreement but at the same time are more than willing to dive straight into personal attacks. Weird.

EDIT: And just to complete my defense, I just want to show that TheEroticGamer is as guilty as I am of being an asshole. Not that I really care about him in particular, but I know there will be a handful on here who will believe him to be a complete innocent that I have mercilessly "attacked" on an internet forum about rugby league. In none of the following scenes was I in a conversation with TEG:

Scene 1:

We got the rub of the green overall ref-wise, I thought.

Nice try Satan.

Scene 2:

You [umina panther] are now officially the most negative poster on this forum. 99% negative posts throughout this season and this tips you over the line to 100% negative posts.

Somewhere in a poorly assembled tent near Nepean River, BillyPilgrimmz is losing his shit reading this post.

Scene 3:

So many sensitive folk around here. Occasionally our players do f**k up and it is worth pointing out; it's not always a refereeing conspiracy. I mean, he bats that ball away, and all the moaning about the refs being out to get the Panthers (I mean, come the f**k on) is rendered moot.

I'm not for a second saying he should be dropped or anything stupid like that. Mansour earns his money a million times over in other ways. But I hate the victim card of all of our losses being out of our control and because of injuries or bad calls or the weather or whatever. That f**k up was clear as day and no-one mentions it.

Yes, you're right.Let's be realists for a second and have a logical discussion for once.All 17 players were awful, the shit c**ts should all be dropped to reserve grade.

The refereeing was perfect and in no way handicapped us to an extent where we were thrown into a position where we had to have flawless defence to repel a thousand straight sets on our line.

Anyone that mentions the refereeing wears a tinfoil hat.They were amazing and beautiful and we were absolutely dog shit.

Scene 4:

We won't [towel Canberra – which we didn’t].

Well aren't you just a positive specimen.

Yes, I acted like a dick towards him as well. Naturally. Mostly about his bizarre belief that the refs in every single game are out to get the Panthers. But please don't pretend he wasn't as guilty himself, no matter what his little "I've blocked you" tirade suggests.

 

[OldPanther]

Exactly, Griffin made a shit load of unnecessary changes this season. Why did we change the centres who were killing it? Why did we change our entire style?

TMM was also change from a winning formula. We finished strongly last season because Moylan was carving teams up, he finished with at least 3 motm performances in a row, we then take the ball out of his hands and throw young half out there that he has to let get involved and develop.

Trying to play two young halves with a playmaker like Moylan at fb and introducing this new attacking structure which limits a playmakers time and options was an incredibly dumb move the results to start the year show that. Many of us questioned the wisdom of playing two young halves together before the season started. I went on about for the entire back half of last season after seeing the tigers pair bomb.

Also just assuming a twenty one year old who has barely established himself in the top grade will be dominant for ten years is so ridiculous. People were annoiting luke brooks the nsw saviour after his rookie year at 19.

Well I don't think it's a coinsidence we are 8/10 when we got our team structure from last year back with only a few differences (one of which was an improvement in Moylan/Edwards)

 

[franklin2323]

I cant really see why Franklin is getting shut down so much. I think 8/10 coaches would of given first opportunity to TMM (given we had Moylan at fullback) this year, irrespective of how Edwards trained.

We finished strong last year, Why would a coach change half our spine (and potentially weaken fullback) instead of just changing our 6 (to an exceptional talent), while keeping the rest of the spine in tact? I think nearly everyone on here wanted TMM somewhere in the squad and most wanted him at 6.

People talk about TMM as if he's a run of the mill 5/8th. Kid has amazing potential, will be one of the dominant halves for the next decade.

Or have I missed the point of the arguement?

It suits their anti Griffin agenda. Facts have no place here

 

[franklin2323]

Exactly, Griffin made a shit load of unnecessary changes this season. Why did we change the centres who were killing it? Why did we change our entire style?

TMM was also change from a winning formula. We finished strongly last season because Moylan was carving teams up, he finished with at least 3 motm performances in a row, we then take the ball out of his hands and throw young half out there that he has to let get involved and develop.

Trying to play two young halves with a playmaker like Moylan at fb and introducing this new attacking structure which limits a playmakers time and options was an incredibly dumb move the results to start the year show that. Many of us questioned the wisdom of playing two young halves together before the season started. I went on about for the entire back half of last season after seeing the tigers pair bomb.

Also just assuming a twenty one year old who has barely established himself in the top grade will be dominant for ten years is so ridiculous. People were annoiting luke brooks the nsw saviour after his rookie year at 19.

Those MOTM were at FB though. From all reports Moylan was luke warm on the move. TMM only was in good form before being injured why not use him?

 

[franklin2323]

Exactly, Griffin made a shit load of unnecessary changes this season. Why did we change the centres who were killing it? Why did we change our entire style?

TMM was also change from a winning formula. We finished strongly last season because Moylan was carving teams up, he finished with at least 3 motm performances in a row, we then take the ball out of his hands and throw young half out there that he has to let get involved and develop.

Trying to play two young halves with a playmaker like Moylan at fb and introducing this new attacking structure which limits a playmakers time and options was an incredibly dumb move the results to start the year show that. Many of us questioned the wisdom of playing two young halves together before the season started. I went on about for the entire back half of last season after seeing the tigers pair bomb.

Also just assuming a twenty one year old who has barely established himself in the top grade will be dominant for ten years is so ridiculous. People were annoiting luke brooks the nsw saviour after his rookie year at 19.

Imagine if every coach changed a team on a good few months of form. Whare was a proven FGer if he did the same work pre season as others. Why should he not get the start? Afterall no one had any form as it was pre season. Mid season returns are different

 

[betcats]

Those MOTM were at FB though. From all reports Moylan was luke warm on the move. TMM only was in good form before being injured why not use him?

He was wearing one but he was playing like a half mate. He was at first receiver as much as Cleary and a lot more than Carty during that period.

I am not knocking TMM, there is no reason "to not use him" or however you put it. But as I just stated there was always concerns about playing a 19yo and 21yo together and expecting them to gel with Moylan also. We've seen Moylan and Cleary struggling to find a balance, add another rookie half into that equation and it gets messy. TMM wasn't playing poorly when he got dropped this year but you just need more experience in the halves than we had. The reason is simply Moylan was always a better option.

 

[betcats]

Imagine if every coach changed a team on a good few months of form. Whare was a proven FGer if he did the same work pre season as others. Why should he not get the start? Afterall no one had any form as it was pre season. Mid season returns are different

Because Whare has never produced the kind of destructive form that Peachey and Waqa did over tha back half of last season and he had barely played for two years. Why shouldn't he work his was back into contention from reserve grade.

Waqa was moved from left to right and back again, both centre and wing. The guy has so much potential and we f**ked him around so much this season, he has been a non factor.

Besides positional and set up play Peachey shits all over Whare as a centre, theres no argument. Watch Whares early hit ups this week, we are losing so much just in that area.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Moylan and Edwards are in their right places. That's all that matters now. We might be able to start a season with a positive record for a change next year.

 

[betcats]

Moylan and Edwards are in their right places. That's all that matters now. We might be able to start a season with a positive record for a change next year.

It will be nice not to have to make massive changes to our spine again. Two years running supercoach failing to make the right call on the spine to start the season has set us back.

 

[OldPanther]

It suits their anti Griffin agenda. Facts have no place here

That's just not true. As stated he changed our team massively for a negative result.

Those MOTM were at FB though. From all reports Moylan was luke warm on the move. TMM only was in good form before being injured why not use him?

Playing as our dominant half. The number on his back was irrelevant. He came out and changed his stance after a massive push from fans because he was backing his coach.

 

[mxlegend99]

Imagine if every coach changed a team on a good few months of form. Whare was a proven FGer if he did the same work pre season as others. Why should he not get the start? Afterall no one had any form as it was pre season. Mid season returns are different

Barely plays a game in 2 years... and he deserves to get a start over the centres that were in terrific form in our finals charge last year?

He was a great centre in 2014. It's 2017 now... he has had some serious injuries and is nowhere near the quality he used to be. Especially defensively... he was a beast in defence and now rates on par with Peachey defensively.

He cops shit for hid defence yet Whare doesn't... and he has been carved up as many times as Peachey if not more.

 

[mxlegend99]

Moylan and Edwards are in their right places. That's all that matters now. We might be able to start a season with a positive record for a change next year.

Exactly. If we made these changes when we all wanted it. We would have a settled spine.

Cartwright at 6 was never a longterm option. Moylan was. It was a terrible decision which held back both players development. When TMM was injured Moylan was the obvious choice. We had plenty of fullback options just as capable at fullback as Carty was at 6.

No idea how anyone can possible disagree with Moylan at 6 and Edwards at 1. Edwards is a better fullback. Plain and simple. Moylan has been more effective at 6 this year than he was at 1. It strengthened both positions.

 

[betcats]

It suits their anti Griffin agenda. Facts have no place here

What facts are you talking about? The fact that both Moylan and Edwards are having better seasons than TMM? Lol facts...this whole discussion is just opinions.

 

[franklin2323]

What facts are you talking about? The fact that both Moylan and Edwards are having better seasons than TMM? Lol facts...this whole discussion is just opinions.

No the opinion here is the coach has no idea. Dare someone actually mention reasons why he might have some idea. TMM is going very well still was motm the 2 weeks ago...Just not for us

 

[franklin2323]

Barely plays a game in 2 years... and he deserves to get a start over the centres that were in terrific form in our finals charge last year?

He was a great centre in 2014. It's 2017 now... he has had some serious injuries and is nowhere near the quality he used to be. Especially defensively... he was a beast in defence and now rates on par with Peachey defensively.

He cops shit for hid defence yet Whare doesn't... and he has been carved up as many times as Peachey if not more.

Yet when the coach when to the 5/8th that had us playing well it was a bad option? But not when a proven FGer is picked to play over a rookie?