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[AlwaysGreen]

Only 6,000 tickets sold for the Kangaroos 1st game against PNG:lol:


Dead rubber Bledisloe Cup match got 70,000(Aussies lost 10 in a row to the Kiwis as well):lol:

Thankyou uniontrain for highlighting that Australian rugby's premier event of 2010 failed to sell out by 10000.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Since when was a dead rubber match(series already decided) Australian rugby's premier event? LOL genius.

 

[carncowboys]

Since when was a dead rubber match(series already decided) Australian rugby's premier event? LOL genius.

ahah dude your such a Kook.

 

[thorson1987]

Since when was a dead rubber match(series already decided) Australian rugby's premier event? LOL genius.

What would you say was Aus Rugby's premier event. The Shute Shield GF. dumbass.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Since when was a dead rubber match(series already decided) Australian rugby's premier event? LOL genius.

Maybe the fact that it was the Bledisloe cup being played in Sydney's biggest stadium and is traditionally recognised as such in a non WC year? A little tip uniontrain, if you want to hitch a ride on what you believe is the latest fad know something about the topic first.

 

[mrpwnd]

If we had a lingerie league like the States do with NFL and the lingerie football league i'm sure we could get some bigger crowds for the game overall.
I'm sure a fair amount of people, myself included, would enjoy that.

 

[duck_dodgers]

If we had a lingerie league like the States do with NFL and the lingerie football league i'm sure we could get some bigger crowds for the game overall.
I'm sure a fair amount of people, myself included, would enjoy that.

next years GF half time entertainment FTW

 

[duck_dodgers]

oh and just to weigh into the Union v RL debate ...

to put things into perspective , how about comparing like for like ...

2003 RUWC in Australia ... 48 matches , overall attendance 1,837,547 , avge 38,282 per game

2008 RLWC in Australia ... 18 matches , overall attendance 293,965 , avge 16,331 per game

and when the RUWC was here it wasn't just the big nations drawing huge crowds to bump the averages up ... some less high profile game's attendances were ...

22,641 to Italy v Wales in Canberra
21,309 to France v Japan in Townsville
19,653 to Japan v USA in Gosford
15,457 to Namibia v Romania in Launceston

comparably at the same venues for the RLWC

9,287 to France v Scotland in Canberra
16,239 to AUSTRALIA v PNG in Townsville
9,720 to Scotland v Fiji in Gosford

the 2003 RUWC returned a profit of $100M
the 2008 RLWC returned a profit of $5M

:sarcasm:

 

[thorson1987]

If we had a lingerie league like the States do with NFL and the lingerie football league i'm sure we could get some bigger crowds for the game overall.
I'm sure a fair amount of people, myself included, would enjoy that.

next years GF half time entertainment FTW

Provided they are lookers. Not the ones that you see running around in the womens league.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

oh and just to weigh into the Union v RL debate ...

to put things into perspective , how about comparing like for like ...

2003 RUWC in Australia ... 48 matches , overall attendance 1,837,547 , avge 38,282 per game

2008 RLWC in Australia ... 18 matches , overall attendance 293,965 , avge 16,331 per game

and when the RUWC was here it wasn't just the big nations drawing huge crowds to bump the averages up ... some less high profile game's attendances were ...

22,641 to Italy v Wales in Canberra
21,309 to France v Japan in Townsville
19,653 to Japan v USA in Gosford
15,457 to Namibia v Romania in Launceston

comparably at the same venues for the RLWC

9,287 to France v Scotland in Canberra
16,239 to AUSTRALIA v PNG in Townsville
9,720 to Scotland v Fiji in Gosford

the 2003 RUWC returned a profit of $100M
the 2008 RLWC returned a profit of $5M

:sarcasm:

Good post champ

 

[AlwaysGreen]

oh and just to weigh into the Union v RL debate ...

to put things into perspective , how about comparing like for like ...

2003 RUWC in Australia ... 48 matches , overall attendance 1,837,547 , avge 38,282 per game

2008 RLWC in Australia ... 18 matches , overall attendance 293,965 , avge 16,331 per game

and when the RUWC was here it wasn't just the big nations drawing huge crowds to bump the averages up ... some less high profile game's attendances were ...

22,641 to Italy v Wales in Canberra
21,309 to France v Japan in Townsville
19,653 to Japan v USA in Gosford
15,457 to Namibia v Romania in Launceston

comparably at the same venues for the RLWC

9,287 to France v Scotland in Canberra
16,239 to AUSTRALIA v PNG in Townsville
9,720 to Scotland v Fiji in Gosford

the 2003 RUWC returned a profit of $100M
the 2008 RLWC returned a profit of $5M

:sarcasm:

Nice figures. And yet rugby league sh8ts all over rugby in this country. Your figure are therefore moot.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Nice figures. And yet rugby league sh8ts all over rugby in this country. Your figure are therefore moot.

You're a drongo

 

[BunniesMan]

Rugby union is sh*t. Soccer is sh*t. I only like NRL and AFL, so they and only they are good and everything and everyone else sucks. That is all.

 

[docbrown]

AFL thought Rugby League was dead in 1997 - so they were planning on playing 12 games a year at Stadium Australia to capaitalise on it - and in their own words - finally "win Sydney".

John O'Neill said in 2003 that Rugby Union would be Australia's number one football code after the world cup because of their $100 million windfall and Rugby League would be a feeder comp.

13 & 7 years later respectively, both "visions" have failed to come to light.

The fact is all four codes are in for a long, hard, grind and in 50 years some Union supremo will be talking up a new World Cup and saying how the next year Union will be the country's number one code...

 

[AlwaysGreen]

You're a drongo

Child, please.

 

[BunniesMan]

AFL thought Rugby League was dead in 1997 - so they were planning on playing 12 games a year at Stadium Australia to capaitalise on it - and in their own words - finally "win Sydney".

John O'Neill said in 2003 that Rugby Union would be Australia's number one football code after the world cup because of their $100 million windfall and Rugby League would be a feeder comp.

13 & 7 years later respectively, both "visions" have failed to come to light.

The fact is all four codes are in for a long, hard, grind and in 50 years some Union supremo will be talking up a new World Cup and saying how the next year Union will be the country's number one code...

All 4 codes have a long hard grind. But at the same time only 2 of them are growing and only 2 of them are about to sign billion dollar tv contracts. Rugby and Soccer have various major long term problems in this country. They're not in the same league as NRL and AFL. The 2 big codes have growing crowds and membership numbers. Union and Soccer wish they did.

Look at A-League's issues, look at Union's issues. The AFL has set the standard in how to run a professional sports league in this country. The NRL finally seems to be on the right path (IC). They're both going much better than the other 2.

 

[Binga]

NRL finals matches thus far

27,026
33,315
16,668
15,574
23,459
26,746




Reds vs Bulls

26,669


Reds vs Stormers

30,259


Reds vs Highlanders

26,700






The Queensland Reds can draw a bigger crowd in the regular season against foriegn teams then the NRL can draw in finals matches





:lol::lol::lol:

Round 3 2010 - Brisbane Broncos vs Foreign team (Warriors) 32,338 suncorp stadium 2010;-)

 

[CC_Roosters]

I agree with BunniesMan, the NRL and AFL are lashing the other two codes currently and with the tv deals looking like being records for both codes that doesn't look like changing in a hurry. Plus with rugby league looking to get its act together off the field combined with the product on the field it has great potential to fulfill nationally and internationally in the next few decades.

 

[18to87]

About the only thing Union has going for it is that in the States more people associate with it than League.

 

[docbrown]

They're not in the same league as NRL and AFL.

Agreed. The FFA seem to be finally conceding this, with the rumours of Lowy spouting an October-March season with 10 teams, 7 on the eastern seaboard.

As for Union, they're trying to turn Super 15 into their national domestic comp - but with only 4 teams on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the NRL's current 15 and the AFL's future 14, it would be a big call for anyone to suggest that they'll overtake either one any time soon. The calls against professionalism in Argentina's rural unions seems that having 5 teams in Buenos Aires is unlikely - so Argentina would likely just play in a 4 nations tournament only - and Pacific Islands is a long shot.

There's talk of expanding it to 8 teams per country - you'd have Adelaide - but then what? You'd either have to cut into Sydney/Brisbane's support base or set up in a regional area. It kind of defeats the idea of the state unions. Under that structure they'd have 14 meaningful games a year - and 8 others against NZ & SA that would start to pale into irrelevancy. It would also impact negatively on the Sydney & Brisbane comps if 2 of the new 3 were in NSW/QLD. Plus it would also affect the ITM & Currie cups if it ran for 22 weeks.

I'm not sure what the long term plan for Union in Australia is. But having a rag tag bunch of comps - Super 15, Shute Shield, Rugby 7's, Four Nations, ARC etc in dribs and drabs and eating into one another is not the answer.

As for the long term expansion in NRL over the next 25+ years, it likely needs:
* QLD - 2-3 new sides, guaranteed two to three game a week there, with 2 QLD teams featured on FTA coverage every week, and a local derby once a month at least
* NSW - admit the CC team and retake North Sydney
* VIC - carve out a bigger market share in Melbourne - make the Storm every Victorian's first or second team
* WA - admit the Reds - make them every Western Australian's first or second team
* NZ - admit 1-2 sides - preferrably locking up the remaining 2 large populations centres - guaranteeing a NZ game every week and local derbies once a month
* PNG - admit the Port Moresby side
* SA - would likely be the last domino

In the long run you might see:

NRL - 22 to 24 team comp - 18 on the East Coast
AFL - 18 to 22 team comp - 15 on the East Coast
Union - 18 to 21 team comp - 4-5 on the East Coast