Overall, who's the better QB -Brady or P Manning?

[andrew057]

Peyton is a great regular season QB, maybe the greatest. In playoffs it's a different story. This breaks it down before this season.

Lets take a look back at Peyton Manning in the playoffs.

1999: The Colts went 13-3, won their division but lost in the first round to the underdog Titans.

2000: The team went 10-6 and lost in the first round on the road at Miami. Yes the Dolphins were the "favourite" but they only had one more win and were coached by Dave Wannstedt. In my books the Colts were the better team.

2002: Peyton and the Colts get blown out 41-0 in the first round on the road against the New York Jets. The Colts actually had more wins but still got killed by a weak armed Chad Pennington led Jets team.

2003 & 2004: Both years Indianapolis lost to those great Patriot teams. But don't great quarterbacks carry teams on their backs and beat more talented teams on occasion? Peyton was overwhelmed in both games throwing five interceptions vs. one measly touchdown in those two games. Yuck.

2005: Again they are the favoured team and again Peyton and the Colts lose at home; this time to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

2006: Finally Peyton wins a Super Bowl. However it should be noted that Peyton threw three touchdowns and seven interceptions in the teams playoff run and he never had a QB rating over 82 in any of those games. The Colts won with their defence coming together at the right time and a dominant running game led by Dominick Rhodes and Joseph Addai.

2007: For yet another year the Colts lose in their first playoff game at home against an inferior opponent (San Diego) who were without their star running back and lost their starting quarterback. Yet once again Peyton Manning was the losing quarterback on a team that vastly underachieved in the playoffs.

2008: Indianapolis may have been on the road but they were favoured to beat the mighty AFC West 8-8 Champion San Diego Chargers. But in their latest edition of playoff failures the Colts could only manage 17 points against one of the worst secondaries in the league. The only points Peyton Manning could produce in the second half came on a busted coverage play by the Chargers that led to a long touchdown pass to a wide open Reggie Wayne.

So despite all his accomplishments and rosters littered with Pro Bowl players Peyton Manning's playoff record is 7-8. The 3-Time NFL MVP has a losing record.

http://blog.canoe.ca/inyourgrill/2009/01/05/peyton_manning_hall_of_famer_aamp_choke_

 

[kurt faulk]

And for the rams fan honestly get over it what are you alex ferguson or wenger blame the officials u got one penalty less than the pats and a few calls went against the pats aswell

obviously you didn't watch the game.

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[18to87]

ok one... did you even watch the colts v pats game this year?.. the pats came out complacent in te last qrt and were punished plus a stupid coaching mistake with a lead...

on to bradys last SB..
Giants Def rank 3rd for the year

This years saints 25th

The pats vs Giants game was the best off agaisnt one of the best Def
Colts v Saints was off vs off

Manning a great quarterback but brady has been better in the big games

And for the rams fan honestly get over it what are you alex ferguson or wenger blame the officials u got one penalty less than the pats and a few calls went against the pats aswell

The Saints Defence just destroyed Warner, Favre and then conquered Manning. I think its safe to say that regular season rankings mean NOTHING. Just ask the 2006 Colts.

A very good point was brought up on the Colts board today. Brady has improved every year and is a much better QB the last 4 seasons than he was when he won Superbowls. How many Superbowls has he won since being a MUCH better QB than he was? None! Instead he is out there throwing picks. Thats because its a team game. ***Matt Cassell***

If you want to choose ONE QB to lead your team in the playoffs and you have a great defence and a decent running game and great coaching then sure pick Brady or Montana. If you have a suspect defence that is prone to collapsing (like yesterday), if you have a poor running game and poor coaching, and you want a QB to lead you in the playoffs - you take Manning.

 

[18to87]

Peyton is a great regular season QB, maybe the greatest. In playoffs it's a different story. This breaks it down before this season.


http://blog.canoe.ca/inyourgrill/2009/01/05/peyton_manning_hall_of_famer_aamp_choke_

1999: Titans made the Superbowl that year. It was a close game and a team loss.

2000: Vanderjagt lost this one.

2002: Total team disaster.

2003 & 2004: Sure you can put these ones on Peyton. The Patriots owned the Colts and played the Colts like they knew every play they were going to run.

2005: Peyton was not at fault on this day, I was at the game. Vanderjagt was at it again and the O-Line couldn't block a 6 year old girl. Colts were completely out coached.

2006: Who cares what Peyton did against the Ravens, Chiefs or even the Bears really. AFCCG - the real Superbowl.

2007: Manning was pretty much the only Colts player to show up in this exit.

2008: The Colts defence and special teams lost this one. Manning had a chance, but its tough to be perfect when you spend all day sitting on the bench or backed up to your goaline.

 

[dragonfire]

man you guys act like the Colts defense played poorly when it was actually the Saints offense schooling them. The colts won the first quarter but after that it was a thorough rout by the Saints 31-7 on both sides of the ball. The Saints defense basically battered two HoF QB's before silencing another one on the road to the SB

 

[18to87]

man you guys act like the Colts defense played poorly when it was actually the Saints offense schooling them. The colts won the first quarter but after that it was a thorough rout by the Saints 31-7 on both sides of the ball. The Saints defense basically battered two HoF QB's before silencing another one on the road to the SB

Your right props to the Saints offence. Awesome coaching, playcalling and most importantly execution. Even with Freeney hurting its hard to believe the Colts D went away from the gameplan that worked in the 1st quarter. They were jamming the Saints WR's and it was working. Then for the rest of the game they were happy to give the Saints WR's plenty of room for easy wide open catches. Colts were completely outcoached and outclassed, the Saints really played like they wanted it more.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

peyton loss to a defense on par with Buffalo's.

 

[Tom155]

peyton loss to a defense on par with Buffalo's.

so did brady

 

[andrew057]

11 INT in 3 games?

 

[Ron Jeremy]

yep, we're witnessing the best ever QB apparently...

I've watched the NFL for years, and there is no way Peyton is the best i've seen, Montana, Brady and even Young were far better, 11 interceptions in 3 games is pathetic, not even Leaf i doubt had this remarkable achievement.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Peyton 'the recievers ran the wrong routes' Manning

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

peyton favre?

nah

favre's cool. he has swagger. loses games, shows his dick to hot birds on his phone...retires...

at least he's interesting.

 

[Ice Ice Brady]

Haha. This is awesome.

 

[The 18th Man]

Where is Peyton Manning making excuses for his subpar performances?

From espn.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- Suddenly, Peyton Manning is getting it all wrong.
Miscommunications. Errant throws. Poor decisions.

Dallas returned two of Manning's four interceptions for scores and used the last one to set up David Buehler's 38-yard field goal for a 38-35 overtime win.Just another bad day for the Colts and their franchise quarterback."It isn't good when you're having to ask which one is it," Manning joked in the postgame news conference. "I don't make any excuses. I'm continuing to throw, I'll keep throwing. I hope I throw it to our guys."

Ron Jeremy, you allege to have watched this game "for years", your level of posting on this great game suggest otherwise. You come across as an NFL fan who played Madden on his console, liked what he saw and started the following the game (you're not the only one).

"...and even Young were far better"

You know it's not Vince we're talking about right? :lol: Steve Young holds his own against ANY QB from any era. The numbers and individual awards he may have racked up if he wasn't sitting on the bench for a guy named Joe could have been scary. The guy was a genius. Manning or any other QB to be rated in his company is a fair compliment.

Some of the posts in the Manning related threads are amusing. Sure, he deserves to be criticised though the sarchastic, childish comments only highlight the level of poster we have on the NFL forum in my opinion.

 

[Ice Ice Brady]

Where is Peyton Manning making excuses for his subpar performances?



Ron Jeremy, you allege to have watched this game "for years", your level of posting on this great game suggest otherwise. You come across as an NFL fan who played Madden on his console, liked what he saw and started the following the game (you're not the only one).

"...and even Young were far better"

You know it's not Vince we're talking about right? :lol: Steve Young holds his own against ANY QB from any era. The numbers and individual awards he may have racked up if he wasn't sitting on the bench for a guy named Joe could have been scary. The guy was a genius. Manning or any other QB to be rated in his company is a fair compliment.

Some of the posts in the Manning related threads are amusing. Sure, he deserves to be criticised though the sarchastic, childish comments only highlight the level of poster we have on the NFL forum in my opinion.

Welcome to the forum, 18th man. Hold still while I take that hook from out of your mouth.

 

[Ice Ice Brady]

And considering you are such a genius on American football, how many Superbowls have you won?

 

[The 18th Man]

And considering you are such a genius on American football, how many Superbowls have you won?

Another stupid reply :lol: At least your consistent.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

i actually liked the post... and ice your making pats fans look dumb with some of that crap.....

While manning is a Brilliant player id always take Brady over him... and from watching the last 3 games he has been good and horrible at times....

Will be very interesting to see what the colts do with him in the winter

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Where is Peyton Manning making excuses for his subpar performances?



Ron Jeremy, you allege to have watched this game "for years", your level of posting on this great game suggest otherwise. You come across as an NFL fan who played Madden on his console, liked what he saw and started the following the game (you're not the only one).

"...and even Young were far better"

You know it's not Vince we're talking about right? :lol: Steve Young holds his own against ANY QB from any era. The numbers and individual awards he may have racked up if he wasn't sitting on the bench for a guy named Joe could have been scary. The guy was a genius. Manning or any other QB to be rated in his company is a fair compliment.

Some of the posts in the Manning related threads are amusing. Sure, he deserves to be criticised though the sarchastic, childish comments only highlight the level of poster we have on the NFL forum in my opinion.

This is funny. Probably. could recall more players and moments in the NFL since about 92/92 then you could.

I have watched great QB's and styles, seen everyone from Heath Schular to David Clingler, from watching Gus Ferotte's debut with two td passes, to Steve Walsh taking over the QB position over Eric Kramer in Chicargo, to Warren Moon being traded to the Vikings to Randy Moss debut year, to steve Young and Elway dance to SB victories, to Andre Rison boofing the chick from that girl band for which appears in House Party 3. I've seen alot of NFL in my time, i'm more then comfortable with my judgement and opinion, and would like to see how many on this board can go up against me on the players and history on the board.

And lets not forget, i'm a bills fan, and despise the pats, but after seeing this side play for years, i have a hell lot of respect for them - we use to give it to them, just like we did to the colts bakc in those days, i doubt many would even know how great the Bills side was.

And oh, i still remember Drew Bledsoes first season at NE under Parcells, hell i even remember Marion Butts or as Chris Berman use to call him - 'no if's or butts'n as fb for that side in that year lol

 

[Ron Jeremy]

and i'm sorry if i critizise dear Peyton, and as stated in the thread you quoted, yes, Steve Young imo is better then Peyton, so i don't know why you brought up Vince ffs, but the comment was in relation to Manning being percieved as the greatest QB ever, hell as i said, he wouldn't even be the best QB in the past 20 years, Elway, Young, Brady, and even Aikman ffs with 3 SB rings imo deserve the accolade more then him haha, he's a myth, and choker, if Kellyone jst one or two SB he'd probably be better...............you do know who Jim Kelly is don't you?