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Pakistan tour of NZ

vvvrulz

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Hard to tell. Sri Lanka and Pakistan have the ability to be very good sides, but Sri Lanka certainly didn't bowl well in NZ. I missed the first innings here so can't comment, although this pitch is an absolute road. Definitely a very dangerous side, and not one you want to give any leniency to because they'll be out of reach before you know it, but it's hard to judge how NZ will perform against Australia or South Africa based on these games. They're unlikely to get the number of bad balls Sri Lanka bowled at them.

That said, you can only play what's in front of you. NZ certainly have the ability to beat Aus or SA, and they'll be pretty confident too. Genuine chance at winning the World Cup IMO. As long as one of Aus or NZ win I'll be happy

Pretty much agree with all of that.

Lets not forget also that Sri Lanka beat us twice and pretty comfortably too, they're not a great side. Richardson on CGW had a good rant about how Sri Lanka was too average for the Black Caps, can't afford a dumb attitude like that.
 

WaznTheGreat

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Pretty much agree with all of that.

Lets not forget also that Sri Lanka beat us twice and pretty comfortably too, they're not a great side. Richardson on CGW had a good rant about how Sri Lanka was too average for the Black Caps, can't afford a dumb attitude like that.

The WC is a completely different ball game to a regular ODI series,that 4-2 series win means nothing now,Sri Lanka are proven WC performers time and time again,there big time players have performed on this big stage whilst the Kiwi players haven't.

I can already see Sri Lanka winning that game with that attitude and there experience
 

shiznit

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The WC is a completely different ball game to a regular ODI series,that 4-2 series win means nothing now,Sri Lanka are proven WC performers time and time again,there big time players have performed on this big stage whilst the Kiwi players haven't.

I can already see Sri Lanka winning that game with that attitude and there experience
Historically NZ are overachievers in World Cups.

We usually make it to the Semi's... Which is normally an overachievement because we aren't fancied...

This tournament however people are talking us right up... So anything less than the semis is underachieving.

Even making the semis and losing at home would be disappointing...

But your 100% right on SL... They have the experience needed to do big things...
 

WaznTheGreat

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Historically NZ are overachievers in World Cups.

We usually make it to the Semi's... Which is normally an overachievement because we aren't fancied...

This tournament however people are talking us right up... So anything less than the semis is underachieving.

Even making the semis and losing at home would be disappointing...

But your 100% right on SL... They have the experience needed to do big things...

I got a sneaky feeling that you guys are going to lose to Sri Lanka but will beat us at Eden Park a few games later
 

JJ

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Semi final would be par - there's been hype about us before, notably after we beat Aust in the Chappell Hadlee series 3 times.

For all the talk about the last home World Cup, we were rubbish before it, the low slow wickets helped, and Martin Crowe's batting and he and Lees' innovation were important

This team is much better - we bat well, bowl well and field well - only Australia and RSA can say the same going into this world cup - but the likes of Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan can still surprise - they all can bat brilliantly, and batting first if they put up 300+ scores, anything can happen - while we won easily last night, they were in a position to score 300, just they needed 360, so that pressure is difficulty to deal with, Aust, RSA, and us will all find chasing big scores hard...
 

vvvrulz

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The gap we have at the moment is facing a really quality bowling attack, last time we did so was South Africa home series and we got owned there.

Hard to predict where we'll finish, if we draw South Africa in the quarters then its probably goodnight right there.
 

TheParraboy

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I got a sneaky feeling that you guys are going to lose to Sri Lanka but will beat us at Eden Park a few games later

I don't think so, they will smack SL and will be a tight contest v Aust.

I think this kiwi side is smart enough not to focus only on playing well against Australia and drop the ball against weaker sides. They should dispose of most of the sides they play on their home soil. I expect them to make the final or go close to it (tight semi final loss)
 

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Credit to the Kiwis they have had a very good preparation for the WC.
 

JJ

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The gap we have at the moment is facing a really quality bowling attack, last time we did so was South Africa home series and we got owned there.

Hard to predict where we'll finish, if we draw South Africa in the quarters then its probably goodnight right there.

Yeah, but Williamson, Ronchi from memory got runs - we have to have confidence in our top 7 and most the decks seem flattish anyway - obviously RSA and Aust will be tougher, but I see us as 40/60, maybe 50/50 (especially against Aust)

Pakistan's attack has been savaged by poor selection, injury, and bans - and Sri Lanka's isn't strong pace-wise... but the same questions can be asked of Australia's line-up - Smith and Williamson have both been magnificent against mediocre pace attacks on flat wickets... Warner too, Finch, Bailey and Maxwell can hurt you on a good day, and Clarke and Faulkner under injury clouds. Haddin was class, but looks like he's gone a year too long with the bat etc etc...

RSA - while there are no questions about de Villiers and Amla have also been pounding mediocre bowling

RSA has two great bats and some promising ones, and the best attack imo (given Tahir for some reason seems a fine ODI spinner). Aust has a fine pace attack, but Doherty/Maxwell/Smith are risky - our attack is pretty good...

I think we're in it, but we're 3rd favourites, I think we can beat anyone, but we can also be beaten - and in one off situations who knows? But that's where India and Sri Lanka can be a worry - the India bats on a flat deck, could damage anyone... and chasing 370+ isn't easy
 

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If they had Milne or someone on at that end, sure. Someone could be seriously hurt. But it's a spinner. Just get some sunnies out there

That's the answer, really. The Pakistani's were trying to go off and BMac offered them his sunnies. On the game goes (without the sunnies)
 

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And yeah, running out of superlatives for Williamson. Good to see Taylor get a ton too. Hopefully he's come right.

4 games in NZ. 4 losses. Pakistan aren't looking great for the World Cup
 

TheParraboy

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And yeah, running out of superlatives for Williamson. Good to see Taylor get a ton too. Hopefully he's come right.

4 games in NZ. 4 losses. Pakistan aren't looking great for the World Cup

Younis Khan not so great these days?
 

Meth

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Has played 7 ODI's against us and averaged 25ish- and that's including a good hundred in Abu Dhabi. Take that away. Take that away and its very grim. And he and Misbah are the batting hope, really. Decent opening bats. Good at 3 and 4. Once you get past that, it's the Shahid Afridi show.
 

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Semi final would be par - there's been hype about us before, notably after we beat Aust in the Chappell Hadlee series 3 times.

For all the talk about the last home World Cup, we were rubbish before it, the low slow wickets helped, and Martin Crowe's batting and he and Lees' innovation were important

This team is much better - we bat well, bowl well and field well - only Australia and RSA can say the same going into this world cup - but the likes of Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan can still surprise - they all can bat brilliantly, and batting first if they put up 300+ scores, anything can happen - while we won easily last night, they were in a position to score 300, just they needed 360, so that pressure is difficulty to deal with, Aust, RSA, and us will all find chasing big scores hard...

FWIW, we were very very good for a very long period of time leading into the 1991/92 season. That said though, 89/90 was Sir Richard Hadlee's last season, and the likes of Ewen Chatfield, Martin Snedden, John Bracewell, and a few years before Lance Cairns had all retired... if memory serves Jeff Crowe had retired as well. We hadn't lost a home test series for something like 12 years leading into 91/92, and our batting line up was still decent enough with the world class Martin Crowe, gutsy Andrew Jones, veteran John Wright, but the bowling attack was certainly not the same. England of course came to our shores in 91/92 leading into the World Cup, pwned us 3-0 in the ODIs and 2-0 in the test series, Phil Tufnell destroyed us in Christchurch but having said that we should have held on for a draw ... 4 more needed to ensure England batted again (and there wouldn't have been time for the change of innings), Crowe in on 46 from memory, or bat another 8 odd minutes and the test is drawn, Crowe decided to try and take Tufnell on who I think had 6-40 odd at that point, he tried to put him back over mid-on to ensure the test was saved but he didn't quite get it and holed out. Desperately unlucky. Auckland, we lost that test on one of the worst pitches I've ever seen, we bowled England out on day 2 for 200 or so, but that was like 450 on that pitch.

My biggest question mark now over New Zealand in the 2015 World Cup is their bowling attack. Its still quite loose and has a high economy rate. I also think Tim Southee is not as good a limited overs bowler as he is a test bowler, and at times the New Zealand media sweep that under the carpet a bit. I'm not sure NZ has the fire power to restrict or bowl South Africa or Australia out in the semis. Batting wise, Kane Williamson is also a tournament winner in his own right with his form. Wouldn't swap him for anyone. And I think they have a quality finishing set up with Luke Ronchi, Corey Anderson and Grant Elliott, and the blokes below are all decent bats too.

Surprise packet this summer, Grant Elliott. Full credit to the guy. He's doing a champion job. Again, it begs the question, why did he not succeed in test cricket. He has a pretty balanced technique, seems to be quite composed in the ODI game, but in test cricket he seemed to be completely overawed. If Elliott could bat at 5 in test cricket like he does in ODI cricket, and McCullum opened the innings, it would help resolve a number of issues. I wonder if its worth taking a punt on Elliott and booking him on the tour to England as a test bat.
 

JJ

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That was my pt England had smashed us and expectations weren't high, post Hadlee so the very good team of the 80s was gone. The whole young guns thing came along after and the Sri Lankan bombing which tore things apart

I am happy with the bowling usually the question is over batting and while I hated the Elliott selection he has been brilliant. If McCullum dials back a bit we're looking good.

Semis have to be the par for me
 

WaznTheGreat

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We should redo the WC draw and rig it so the Kiwis have to face us at this current WACA pitch,they haven't faced guys bowling 150km/h for a while like Cummins/Starc/Johnson on a pitch like that.

We would bowl them out for 100,lets rig this draw.
 

WaznTheGreat

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As a betting man i will prob back the Kiwis against Australia in that Eden Park clash just because there will be some value as they will be outsiders,Kiwis always give them a good contest and likewise i will prob back Sri Lanka to beat the Kiwi's in that first game just for the value,Wouldn't be a surprise if Sri Lanka beat New Zealand and the same with New Zealand beating Australia.

Gambling ftw
 

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