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Panthers sign Kingston from Eels

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Aaaahhhhh now your talking!!!!!!!

News Limited >>>> Media/Fox etc >>>> NRL >>>>> Melb Storm (opening new stadium next year), investments, creating a Melb Storm market base/footing etc etc >>>> corruption of the worst kind

It ALL smells of a dead rat in the boardroom.

Who has the guts to open up a can of worms????

Its very clear for those with eyes/hearts wide open that the Eels were duded in the NRL 2009 GF.
It has smelt bad for many years now Casper, i'm sick of the politics in this game, the games should be decided on the field of play by the players not by bad decisions by officals or blind eyes turned towards salary cap breaches etc. The Broncos and Storm seem to have had a lot of rep players in their club for some time now, the salary cap was meant to even that up and spread the talent. It's worked for the Sydney clubs, most have lost a lot talent over the last 10years but Brisbane, Melbourne and the Cowboys seemed to have kept a least 4-6 rep players in thier top 25.
All 3 clubs were alligned to the Super League.
Smells bad to me.
 

Bigfella

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The best part of this story is Guru's email - especially the "G'day Ossie Ostrich" and the PS I won't be back at training until January. Classic Guru.
 

Ike E Bear

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I see a big difference between manipulating payments from one year to the next like the Bulldogs did to essentially have a couple of players playing a season "for free", and players seeking to have their payments reduced (not deferred) to accommodate another player in these circumstances.

I guess you could argue that having a team with current/recent representative players Hayne, Hindmarsh, Cayless, Poore and Moi Moi (as well as up and comers like Mateo and, say, Mortimer) should have to sacrifice something. But the Eels in 2010, even with Kingston, are hardly the team on paper that Melbourne or Brisbane have been able to field season after season after season.

If the salary cap is designed to make the competition fairer, then it's not really achieving much here except making life difficult for Kevin Kingston.
 

JoeyJoJo83

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I think the whole thing is bullsh*t. In a time where club loyalty is non existent you would think the NRL would be open to this. I still can't see the harm with players taking a pay cut in order to fit Kinga under the $115K asking price. The NRL are just big bullies.
 

mickdo

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If the salary cap is designed to make the competition fairer, then it's not really achieving much here except making life difficult for Kevin Kingston.

Strictly speaking, the salary cap is designed to stop clubs going broke. Making the competition fairer is a side-effect.
 

Eels Dude

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dogs cheated the cap by 2 mill in 02 i think kinga is worth a small fine if we kept him to tell u the truth lol seriously ossie should keep him go over the cap by 115k and stick it to the NRL and tell them to f**k off kinga is worth it imo great team man and great player obviously this group of players want to stay together anyway possible

There is a difference between accidently going over the cap (due to incentive deals and bonuses) which result in fines, or deliberately rorting the cap where you lose competition points which is what you're suggesting.
 

hineyrulz

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The sooner we get News Limited out of RL the better it will be for everyone, well maybe except for Melbourne ;-)
 

Fishboy

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if we can not modify existing contracts, can we not release the 6 blokes willing to take a pay cut then sign them to new terms? hehe
 

Casper The Ghost

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It has smelt bad for many years now Casper, i'm sick of the politics in this game, the games should be decided on the field of play by the players not by bad decisions by officals or blind eyes turned towards salary cap breaches etc. The Broncos and Storm seem to have had a lot of rep players in their club for some time now, the salary cap was meant to even that up and spread the talent. It's worked for the Sydney clubs, most have lost a lot talent over the last 10years but Brisbane, Melbourne and the Cowboys seemed to have kept a least 4-6 rep players in thier top 25.
All 3 clubs were alligned to the Super League.
Smells bad to me.

Yep, yep, yep....

I guess this is the brick wall Phil Gould (& others) have come up against. This problem ain't going to go away until the fans rise up in huge numbers. This then provides the sanctuary, the passion/motivation and the much higher standards for good men like Phil Gould to bring into place and also help get rid of all the Masonic crap undermining the integrity, sincerity and purity of the greatest game of all.

The referees are now a secret group all on to their own, out of reach. Makes it easier to control secrets/agendas and force referees to be compliant or else serious consequences apply, no different to the ones that hang over the heads of politicians, judiciary, big business representatives etc.... who step out of line, usually because they have a conscience and want to do right on behalf of the people they represent/impact etc etc.

Threats to self, family, children, etc (some get visited), character/personality assassinations, set-ups like being accused of pedophilia, crime, fraud, conspiracy, etc etc, destruction of assets, security, business, career, cash-flow, etc, etc, and then there is humiliation, ridicule, ongoing excessive harassment, threats (inc death threats), etc, etc.

Welcome to the real world that binds criminals together as a gang of conspirators, thugs etc, with no way out forevermore, even if you have a growing conscience that is killing you. Keep your mouth shut, head down and tow-the-line. It's all about being compliant and underneath this compliancy is fear and trauma.
 

Gronk

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Kingston rule: union wants 'unfairness' of salary cap to be addressed

Glenn Jackson | October 13, 2009

THE boss of the Rugby League Players Association plans to raise the plight of Kevin Kingston, who has been forced out of Parramatta, during discussions with NRL officials over the next Collective Bargaining Agreement due to what the union perceives as an ''unfairness'' in the salary cap.
The association's chief executive, David Garnsey, has described the rule whereby match payments are heaped into the following year's salary cap as ''perplexing'', although he did admit he had been unable to come up with a more workable model.
The rule has forced Eels hooker Kingston, who earned significant match payments in 2009 after playing 19 games, including the grand final against Melbourne, to move to Penrith. But he is only one of several players to be affected.
The premiers Melbourne were also hit, with Dane Nielsen and Ryan Tandy, players who would not have expected to play as many NRL games as they did this year, squeezing more air into an already full salary-cap balloon for next season.
Penrith re-signed their own player in Frank Puletua who had been similarly on an incentive-based deal, but only after he agreed to take a pay cut. ''Anything that forces guys to leave clubs, when they want to stay and the clubs truly want to keep them, is not a healthy situation,'' Garnsey said.
The rule effectively means a player who was given a base salary of, for instance, $50,000, who earns $3000 in match payments and plays eight matches, is immediately valued in the following season's salary cap at $74,000 - the base plus $24,000 in incentives - regardless of how many matches he plays the next year.
With the association to begin discussions with the NRL ''imminently'' about a new CBA, Garnsey plans to make an issue of it in future talks, although he does not believe a change can be written into the next agreement. Garnsey said he would think about fairer ways to treat match payments in coming months and would attempt to raise them with officials early next year.
''The first thing would be to raise it with the NRL,'' he said. ''We understand where they're coming from, but the clubs and the players are hurting with this one and we want to be able to accommodate everyone. We want to ensure that the sanctity of the salary cap is not dissolved but players stay at the clubs they want to play for. It's a real shame when clubs can't find room for grand final heroes.''
Meanwhile, Melbourne are expected to promote under-20s coach Brad Arthur into an NRL assistant coach role vacated by new Wigan coach Michael Maguire. Arthur took the Storm's outfit to a premiership to match the feats of the senior squad.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/...-to-beaddressed/2009/10/12/1255195744664.html
 

strider

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I can understand the reasoning of the NRL re the salary cap and how the payments count towards the next season - thats cool

what pisses me off is that they wouldn't let OUR players take pay cuts to accomodate kinga when its been done in the past .... f**kwits!
 

natheel

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its the players decision to take the pay cut not the NRL's this is absolutly bullsh*t.
a player forced out of a club he doesnt want to leave and the club doesnt want him to leave and the fans dont either, find a possible solution to the problem (paycuts) and the NRL shoot it down yet its been done in the past? this seriously doesnt make sense at all, the NRL need to make an outline of what you can and can't do to keep players not just play it one year at a time and let clubs do it one year and another club not do it another.
 

born an eel

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and they will let a $300k player take a massive pay cut to remain at club without questioning his value to the cap.
 

El Diablo

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I can understand the reasoning of the NRL re the salary cap and how the payments count towards the next season - thats cool

what pisses me off is that they wouldn't let OUR players take pay cuts to accomodate kinga when its been done in the past .... f**kwits!

they would

the players would have to take a bigger cut though as what they offered wasn't enough
 

bartman

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Yep, if 11 players instead of 6 players made the offer, then it seems like we'd have the necessary $...
 

strider

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they would

the players would have to take a bigger cut though as what they offered wasn't enough
yes it was (or close enough give or take a bit) .... the $60K freed up by cuts + the $55K we currently have available in the cap covers the total needed to fit kinga

the NRL's issue is that they believe the spreading of talent that the cap accomplishes is determined at the point the contract is signed - so they don't want to let ppl take pay cuts later on
 

Ike E Bear

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The issue raised about Finch and Melbourne is a very interesting one that I hadn't thought of.

Very, very inconsistent.
 

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