Panthers sign Kingston from Eels

[parra pete]

I'd take a pay cut to buy Gallop a personality!!

Yeah, but David can't help that. He is what he is...

 

[mxlegend99]

Maybe some/all of those players are in the same circumstances as Kingston (at the minimum worth a certain amount toward the salary cap for some stupid reason). If so then it would make sense for the NRL to not budge on accepting them at a lesser salary if they aren't willing to allow Kingston to sign for less then he is worth.

Personally I think it's stupid that the NRL won't allow a player to sign for less then he is worth to remain at a team he loves, or for his teammates to accept a paycut to keep a friend. They should be encouraging this... it looks great for the NRL and the team if players are that keen to stay.

 

[strider]

the NRL stated once before, the reasoning for NOT allowing them to NOW take a paycut is because those players were obtained/retained at the salary they are at - ie its all about what it cost to get the signature

shame they don't apply the same reasoning to cheats

 

[H0WZAT]

I thought the issue was that Kingston was worth 115K to the cap and we are trying to sign him for 55K, not that the players aren't allowed to take paycuts?

Also how much is Kinga worth on Penrith's cap next year? The article states he will take a similar deal as we are offering. So why when we try to retain him he's worth 115K but if he goes elsewhere he's only worth 55K?

 

[AlexTheEel]

He's 115 on our cap cos you have to add his match payments this year to his base contract next year. So if we sign him for 55k you add his match payments from this season of 60k and u end up with 115.

Penrith can get him for 55 cos he didnt earn match payments from them this season.

The issue isnt with players taking pay cuts. Its the fact that he will show up as 115k on parras cap and they dont have that room to move.

 

[mxlegend99]

I'm pretty sure he's worth $115k a season to any club that signs him. It doesn't matter what club he earned the match payments at, they count towards his 2010 salary. Whoever has him in 2010 loses his match payments toward their salary cap.

Atleast I think that's how it works. Frank Puletua was under the same circumstances and there was an article saying that despite interest from several clubs, none could fit him under the salary cap due to the match payments he had earned.

 

[natheel]

dogs cheated the cap by 2 mill in 02 i think kinga is worth a small fine if we kept him to tell u the truth lol seriously ossie should keep him go over the cap by 115k and stick it to the NRL and tell them to f**k off kinga is worth it imo great team man and great player obviously this group of players want to stay together anyway possible

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

He's 115 on our cap cos you have to add his match payments this year to his base contract next year. So if we sign him for 55k you add his match payments from this season of 60k and u end up with 115.

Penrith can get him for 55 cos he didnt earn match payments from them this season.

The issue isnt with players taking pay cuts. Its the fact that he will show up as 115k on parras cap and they dont have that room to move.

So let me get this right.

Kingas actualy salary next year - $55K
Kingas 09 match payments - $60K
There for he will take $115K out of our salary cap in 2010.

BUT if the super six players take a combined pay cut of $60K plus the one contract space we have left under the cap (worth $55K), wouldnt we then have a total of $115K to move under the salary cap and could theirfor keep Kinga?

This just sounds like to me the NRL dont want to do some work during the holiday period.

 

[WA Eel]

My understanding is he would be earning a similar amount at Penrith, but is still worth $115k under their cap. Difference is Penrith can afford the extra cap space for next year but we can't.

 

[natheel]

i rekon ossie will try and find any way to keep him tbh kinga prob wont b contracted to a club till next year i rekon well at least not till ossie has exhausted all options

 

[parra-matters]

i wonder if we were a former Super League club if that would make a differance?

 

[murraymob]

i wonder if we were a former Super League club if that would make a differance?

perhaps if instead of spending so much on your new buys and signing kingston first that would have made the difference you cant have it both ways.You spent big not everyone was going to survive

 

[hindy111]

Maybe we shoudl get a concession for beeing 300 under when we released finch....

 

[strider]

actually i think Finch's true value to our team was -$60K ... so tbh it all evens out

 

[El Diablo]

My reading of this is the NRL didn't say that the Parra boys were not allowed to salary sacrifice to keep Kingston. The issue was that under the rules, he's worth $115k under the salary cap for next year, but even with the offered salary sacrifice, Parra will only have $60k to spend, ie. we'd still be $55k short. I'm sure if $120k had been offered up, the NRL would have had no option but to approve it.

i think you're one of the few that actually gets it

 

[stuke]

maybe we could argue that Rothfield judged him to be in the top 10 worst buys of the year before he had played a game for us, therefore he shouldn't count towards our salary cap at all....maybe?????

 

[natheel]

perhaps if instead of spending so much on your new buys and signing kingston first that would have made the difference you cant have it both ways.You spent big not everyone was going to survive

pretty sure kingston had not made his parra debut when we had signed shack and poore

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Please, please, please, please, please, please, I live in hope that we the people who support and own rugby league get this independent commission up real soon.

... and another thing, jeez louise that Colin Love is a major useless wanker.

Well as long as they are not compromised i.e. freemasons of one order or another... and you can be sure the establishment will be feathering their own nests and we all have to wake up to the fact that that is actually what really goes on behind the scenes.

The establishment "MUST" control everything that influences public thinking on a grand scale and the NRL has huge inroads into the lives of millions, unfortunately most who are deep asleep at the wheel of reality or who are in a state of fear and trauma unwilling to budge from their compliance to the establishment which keeps them trapped, powerless and weak of spirit.

If the players took on the NRL under industrial action and persisted, other clubs will join in and the NRL will eventually give in to this bullsh*t.

I feel that it is very important that the glam 6 make sure that Kevin Kingston stays with the Eels and that Paul Osborne and the board stand behind the players actions all-the-way.

The only board members/officials not prepared to back this action all-the-way will have dirty laundry hanging around which they don't want aired to the public and to which is used against them to control them and to blackmail them. This brain-control crap has been going on for years and if we all want a better loving environment without the crap it is actions like these that will help to clear the way of getting rid of all the masonic garbage clogging up the pathways where freedom and truth travail.

Its up to the people (as always) to take matters into their own hands instead of passing-the-buck leaving it to others (a tiny few) who will not take full-responsibility for the duty of care they have to the players, the clubs and most importantly the fans.

Common Eels supporters its time to take out a class action against the NRL. Lets show them that Super League was a just an establishment scratch on the wall compared to the earthquake we can create that will knock down all the walls built out of greed, selfishness, power, control, lies, deception, collusion and corruption.

The NRL has a lot to answer for...... not only for the scam behind the referees that aided the Melb Storm defeating The Eels (see post: Breach Of Contract: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=346493) but also for supporting crap like the glam 6 not allowed to keep KK decision ...... is this NOT a despotic dictatorship telling players, officials and fans how to think, feel and act??? That a dictator is imposing his will upon others????

A LEGAL MAXIM ==== "ALL MEN ARE EQUAL" For freedoms sake everyone, use it against them!!!

 

[Casper The Ghost]

i wonder if we were a former Super League club if that would make a differance?

Aaaahhhhh now your talking!!!!!!!

News Limited >>>> Media/Fox etc >>>> NRL >>>>> Melb Storm (opening new stadium next year), investments, creating a Melb Storm market base/footing etc etc >>>> corruption of the worst kind

It ALL smells of a dead rat in the boardroom.

Who has the guts to open up a can of worms????

Its very clear for those with eyes/hearts wide open that the Eels were duded in the NRL 2009 GF.

 

[oldmancraigy]

i think you're one of the few that actually gets it

Incorrect.

We have 1 roster spot out of the top 25 'unallocated' at the moment - minimum salary is about 50-55k. So if we can't afford a player in that range, we're screwed anyhow.

So 6 players taking a 10k paycut + the 55k minimum salary = 115k. That would fit Kinga in as the final member of the squad.

John Brady is saying what he's been told to say - namely, the NRL won't allow existing contracts to be modified at all.
Unfortunately the cheating Bulldogs are the reason; TWICE they have cheated the salary cap system
(1) The infamous 2004 "premiership" squad - good work guys winning a title with a $6million squad... (and they were allowed to be over the cap that season too...)
(2) The 2009 Bulldogs team. Let's not forget that the Doggies modified the contracts of Ryan and Patten last season to allow them to effectively play for nothing this season - and free up an extra half a million dollars for 2009 signings. So while everyone else laboured under a $4.1million cap, the Doggies spent up $4.6million. Hardly seems fair when they brought in Hannant, Kimmorley, Ennis, Eastwood, Stagg, Morris, Goodwin, Hodgson

Naturally the rules have been changed after the rorts - just a shame that they are being so pig-headed about it all. The fact that some players are going to LOSE money (ie - not actually get paid it) and allow someone else to get paid just means that it's a completely different kettle of fish.

I've had contact with Brady, it's not really his fault - he just passes on the messages.

What I CAN say for certain is that we can thank Hagan (or whoever signed Kingston) - because they wrote out a stupid contract for him. Why pay the guy BONUSES for playing in games instead of simply giving him MATCH PAYMENTS? The bonuses are assumed for the following season, the match payments are not.
Bonuses should be reserved strictly for things like SoO - certainly NOT for winning a regular season game...


IMO, I think we should just SIGN Kingston, and lose the 2 or 4 competition points next season - the Warriors were $400k over the cap a few years back when they lost 4 points - we'd only be $65k over!

(and then perhaps we can spend the rest of the summer trying to convince Hauraki and Oake to find greener pastures...)